@Rookie_monster

That label was not always there

And again its a optical Toshiba drive that had this problem due to missing pads inside the optical drive of the xbox360
Its also not just moving as in Turning the system on its side or up right position while the optical drive was running.

Example toms hardware did tests. There is a reason this is still going on.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us...

Microsoft does not see the the testing to be conclusive that there was any problem, but anyone who knew about optical drives and vibration redundancy restrictive padding knows full well when its not being fully tested can see the failure rate of the optical drive to faulted due to improperly non vibration padding missing from such optical drives.

Both Microsoft and Toshiba are both at blame for this, you are going to have a chance for a failure rate no matter what, its the fact xbox360's were ng shipped without the restrictive vibration padding in the optical drives of early xbox360 models and if a consumer purchased one from a retail chain. That is the reason it is still going on instead of the logical choice of a full product recall, Microsoft chose the extended warranty instead. Well this is some of the result's expected instead of doing a product recall on older model's instead of letting those units still sit in the retail channel in mom and pop shops around in the world wide market that may still have a few of those older units in the retail chain.

Never been used before but still had the faulty optical disc drive. Again Only after 2008 did Microsoft add in that optical drive cover sticker.

If you can't make it go away, then demolish this case in court to the point the courts find it to be waste of time and resources. That it's dismissed by the court and label it a waste to hear such BS .

"damage caused to discs when players repositioned their consoles."

REALLY??? This was the kind of thing that made me want to smash my face in when I worked at gamestop. It's simple....DON'T MOVE YOUR SYSTEM WHEN YOU HAVE A DISC IN AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S ON! Seriously some people are stupid but then we have people that go far beyond their stupidity. Remember CD players, walkmans? What happened when that got shook around....scratches. Have a CD player in your car? What happens to the CDs after a while when driving around, scratches. So common sense would dictate that when you are a moron and you move your console with a disc in it then it will get scratched. My biggest lectures to idiots that came in complaining was 1) don't stand ANY system vertically, your asking for trouble. 2) keep it well ventilated, if not well trouble is heating up. and 3) DON'T move it when a disc is in there. You want to move the system fine but take the disc out, put it back in it's case, then properly unplug everything then move stuff around keeping the first two in mind. Hell, the amount of destroyed discs I saw made me want some regulation to make sure people took care of their stuff, not play frisbee with Halo 3 or the Limited Edition cigarette yellow 360's that people traded in and expected me to touch.

The red ring issue, that was one thing but YOU moving the system with a disc in while on is not anyones fault but yourselves...unless you expect anyone to believe Bill Gates busted in and shook your console then ran off laughing.

Lost a BUNCH of games due this crap.

You know what was really shady? I would buy the 'disc protection plans' from places like Best Buy and Toys'R'US. I'd ask them if they would replace them if anything happens. They'd say yes.

Then when I'd take one of them in, they would say they couldn't replace it, because the machine caused it. Why sell a disc protection plan and one that covers everything, when it really doesn't? Talk about a scam.

I still remember buying GTA IV, having it scratch the first day, then going back and buying another one, but not putting it in, because I sent in my 360 to get the Disc Scratch problem taken care of because this was the last straw, only to have during the repair process, one of my 'friends' steal that 2nd copy, and so after buying it twice, I wasn't going to buy it a 3rd time until it got real cheap or the scumbag who stole it got me another one. That Xmas season they had a Black Friday deal and it was for $10...YEA...so I bought it, and played through about a third of it...only to then have my HD on the 360 crap out and lose all my progress.

Yep...and later the 2nd disc drive started not being able to read discs well, and it was impossible to 'install' games that required it, so I never got to play the Halo 4 disc I pre-ordered.

...basically my 360 crashed a lot and didn't get much play the last year. It was ok I had a PS3, Wii U, and at the time an i7 920 and GTX 670 PC.

So when I got my PS4 I knew I still had a disc in there and decided to take the disc out before removing it to put a PS4 in it's place, and what do you know....another RRoD.

Good Riddance.

But yeah, I probably had about $600-900 worth of discs scratched before taxes, and probably close to a $100 for the 'disc protection' that didn't cover it.

The 360 was great when working, but reliability wise with over 50 percent of launch consoles bricked within the 1st year, and a massive overall failure rate... it was a complete piece of excrement.

Oh and no, I didn't move my console around, Perhaps someone or my dog brushed up against a little coffee table thingy that then transferred some vibration to the table it was on, caused the scratches, but that's fragile as hell, and is nothing like someone running around with a Discman, and they had discman with read ahead buffer technology specifically so you could be in a bumpy environment but the disc wouldn't skip. You really needed to mess around hard with a Discman to get it to scratch.

...with a 360, if you blew on it from five feet away it would scratch. Or like others said, it simply was scratching discs without any bumping. Because I didn't bump into my stuff.

I did have this on one other console, my Sega Saturn. Same thing.

But the one thing I remember on the 360, is that some discs were more susceptible then others. I think the ones more susceptible were the discs that were thicker or heavier. The ones that were thinner or lighter (perhaps much of this was the sticker on the top of the disc) tended not to get scratched, while the ones that felt thicker and heavier, did quite often. Maybe not all of them used the dual layer capability of the 360, and perhaps the ones that did, used thicker discs maybe?

Too bad they didn't do Blu-ray, all my Blu-ray disks are still mint.

Finally something is happening from this. the 8 or so friends I have who owned a 360, I think one of them didn't have a disc ruined due to this issue. For me, the big issue isn't that it happened, the problem is that microsoft denied it, and seemingly never fixed the problem either.

Who moves there console with a disc spinning? Serve them right in my book. Never rely on drives, even if the company said you can, you dont do it lol

Either way, if MS lose they will sue Toshiba, if MS win then nothing happens. Move along I say, we are a generation past this. Too little too late.

Tell me again how the multiplatform strategy was supposed to fix everything. Look at your results and compare them to Nintendo, which keeps thriving with exclusives. Your loyal fans are gone. And let’s not forget the pile of IPs you purchased only to let them rot.

The worst thing is this is down from last years numbers/expectations which was down from the previous years numbers/expectations. You think about how long “down” has been a consistent part of the communication and you realize those subscriptions are what’s holding that boat together. The price cut of gamespass is still a price raise in a string of price raises. They are trying to use players to offset the missing revenue. Now call of duty is out of gamespass, which is literally WHY they bought the company. To draw people to the subscription. They realized they missed a boatload of money and that wasn’t sustainable. Now you pay for it like you would have if they never bought the company… so why buy the company? Mind you those billions still need to be paid back. Yeah it gives you a chance to say we make the biggest FPS… but the internal conversations must be brutal at high level on topics that really matter. Like revenue. Profitability. And ROI for the shopping spree.

Is this like the 10th quarter in a row they're down 33% on hardware how is that even mathematically possible. You would think their mediocrity would Plateau

Helix will be expensive but it's still a day one for me.

Oh, my days...
So Nadella meets with the US president multiple times to ensure AI regulations are minimal if any at all, donates to the inauguration and ballroom, and his boy not only won't regulate AI as farmers lose land and billionaires/corporations buy up farmland to build data centers...but because he's insane and compromised, he starts a war on behalf of a rogue colonial zionist state and [further] destabilizes the Middle East, restricting component access and helium supply.

Now the head of Xbox is saying the hardware pricing "could impact" next generation hardware pricing? Asha,...your boss at a minimum played a direct role in this. What are we even talking about?

Yea because a $3 trillion company can’t absorb the majority of the cost to keep the product lower for consumers.

Expensive… oh no, here comes another flop.

Could? Strange how prices rise for virtually everything we buy, yet when things settle down, prices don't come down. This has been happening in the UK probably before I was born. With that, how much is a next gen console going to cost? Look at the price of the PlayStation 5 Pro, which has been a flop for Sony. On that note, we don't need the next consoles for another 5 years.

I guarantee if people just stopped buying this kinda stuff all together. This would all be sorted within 2 weeks and everything would be back to normal.

We seen the exact same thing through the COVID period. Companies just jumped on the bandwagon realising that they can get away with charging far more under false pretences and fear mongering.

Consumers now have this fear of "you know what, I only live once. I'm going to spend all this money I earned through my hard work" Or "I only live once I'm going to take a loan out and enjoy my time here".

Silicone Valley spends literally billions of dollars researching how much they can push society to the limits to increase spending. You can research it yourself. There's published written documentation about it. Have a look for yourself into their group research into subscription programs to see how evil they are and why it's such a giant focus of current civilization. Its the very essence of corporate capitalism.

Just delay all new consoles. I could easily go another 5 years with my base PS5.

could? it's already affecting current gen pricing.

It is greed. Apple are selling at the same price, while Microsoft Surface increases 500$ per unit. Karma will tell.