"Show you an RPG thats longer than 12 hours? HAHAHA, what? Lmao I cant stop laughing! RPGs are SUPPOSED to be massive story games. So youre either stupid or pretty dense."

"Yes that is what I said. Yet you failed to do just that. I challenge you again. Show me an RPG that has a main story that is much more than 12 hours long. Can you not do this?
Oh wait, you said NEXT gen RPG, am I right? Why differentiate between "last gen" (I take it you mean PS2, which is STILL alive and kicking) and "next gen". RPG is RPG. No difference between PS2 RPG or RPG for the current systems. Hey man, just because Mass effects story was about 12 hours long does not mean that 12 hour story for RPG is suddenly the norm."

Yes I did say this gen, this is where it counts now, but if you want to pull one from last gen go on ahead...No I don't mean the PS2, I mean both consoles. Why would I "mean" the ps2 only? Fair enough, so go on and "show" me up...Where did I reference Mass Effect? Nowhere. I clearly referenced Oblivion. Yes I'll admit Mass Effect was a short experience overall, but it was an experience that I highly enjoyed. qqqualityquantity. No, it isn't all of a sudden the "norm" RPGs have generally always had a main story questline in that range, perhaps typically a few hours longer.

"You xbots are stupid to accept that crap in the first place. Its not my problem that you are dense and accept 12 hour RPGs. So hahaha, you bought a 360! Where every experience is LIMITED and last gen! Hahaha shooters that dont look much better than last gen systems! RPGs that are 12 hours long! Games that do not have any real time physics, has last gen animations, has little to no destructible environments, is limited in size, cannot do scale, has last gen facial expressions, walking-behind-the-facts service that do not nothing but mimic the competition and cost you 50 bucks EVERY year and where you have to replace your console with a new one every 3 months! HAHAHA!"

You assume too much, you really do. I own both consoles, no, I am not a fanboy. Just because I am in the "open zone" doesn't mean I am one. You see fanboys in the "gamer zone" all the time, would that make them unbiased gamers?
Too be honest with you, that whole section of your comment was nothing more than childish at best. Are you incapable of holding a mature, civilized debate?
Everything you stated in that section was horrible, my 5 year old sister can argue better than that. You'll need to try much harder next time. Oh, and contrary to your "beliefs" I only had to send in my console one time. Since I've owned one in 2005. I got it back in less than one week.

"And those side missions? Its pretty standard for RPGs to have tons of side missions, dungeons, secret bosses, secret weapons etc AND have a 50 hour main quest."

Not, really no. So I guess according to you that Oblivion failed?
This is where the meat of any RPG is at in the side quests..etc..
Amuse me, show a RPG that fetches a 50 hour storyline and totals up to 100-200 hours of gameplay?

"You just failed BIG time"

lol...Have I, now? You've proved nothing, you'll need something to support you claim..Again..Amuse me.

"And just because there is a lot of sidemissions, again standard stuff for all RPGs, doesnt mean that every one of them are FUN to do."

Nice strawman! We're not debating what side quests are fun and whatnot. We are the typical time of a RPGs main questline and we're debating the overall length of an RPG.

"As with Fable, you are looking at a 12 hour experience. For an RPG thats FAIL. What are you going to do? Play the game in coop every 12 hours? Lmao"

Again, you're incorrect. I've already explained in my previous argument, you seem to think that folks buy RPGs just for the main questline...If everyone bought Oblivion for it's main questline wouldn't that have resulted in "fail" certainly by your standards..
I am looking at a much longer experience, it'll be in the 200 hour range...might even surpass Oblivion. Who knows..
This particular sentence..."What are you going to do? Play the game in coop every 12 hours? Lmao." Goes on to demonstrate your arrogance and you inability to hold a mature and civilized debate.

"For an RPG thats FAIL."
Well you must think a lot of RPGs are "fail" Including the Elder Scroll Series...That every hardcore RPG fan loves.

"And the fact that you have a dog as a companion, does not change the fact that its just a 12 hour long game. You can only play 12 hours for so long."

Another stawman...lol..."Fact&quo t; What "fact"?
Where did I say that the dog would change how many hours, all I simply stated was that the player can choose to play around with his/her dog. I never said that it would add hours to gameplay, nor did I say it would add even an hour. Well...perhaps it could. It's the players choice, someone could decide to spend an hour or even more playing with their dog if they wanted too.

Back up your claim. Show me where Lionhead says that Fable II is "just" a 12 hour long game. Your "facts" aren't "facts" at all, but rather it is your imagination.
Yes you're right you can only play 12 hours for so long...Is that why you're not playing MGS4?

I'll be waiting for you to back up the claims that you've made, in the mean time I'll back mine up about Fable II.

Here is one.
"There’s a ridiculous amount of content in Fable 2 and we can only imagine play times will easily rival Oblivion."

http://www.gameinformer.com...

http://www.n4g.com/events_e...

And another one...
The interview/demo starts at 16:10. It ends at 22:23.
A question is asked about how long Fable II will be around at 18:04.

Iain Wright clears it up at 18:56 "If you don't do any of the side quest or any of that, and you just do the storyline. Some of our best testers are clocking times of between 12 and 15 hours. And that's doing nothing else and there is loads to do."

And I have one more question, a serious one.

If Fable II is going to "fail" and if you don't like the XB360, then why even bother posting in any Fable II related story, much less an XB360 related story??

Do try to argue in a more civilized and mature manner next time.

He is trying to find a way to downplay one of the most fun games of the year. Since he can`t insult the game itself, he has to take the conversation off topic and mention moving consoles.
Hey dude, thanks for contibuting to the conversaion among fable fans.