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Why Xbox One Backwards Compatibility Is Exactly The Right Move For Microsoft

So it appears Forbes are at it again and this article is live despite one going live beforehand saying that it was the wrong move for Microsoft

green4035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

Let me tell you why in my opinion, BCis a big deal.

First of all, last gen saw the rise of digital games with full AAA releases and smaller XBLA games. When a user invests so much into a digital ecosystem, it is refreshing to know that your purchases will be carried over to the next console.

Secondly- and this is one that people are overlooking - the graphical leap from 360 to X1 or PS4 to PS3 is no way as big a leap as we have had in the past like Xbox to 360 or PS2 to PS3.

PS3 and 360 made xbox and ps2 look down right terrible. In fact, they were so bad you just never wanted to play a last gen game again. But with this gen, it is not the case go back and play the best 360 and PS3 games and the graphics still hold up well. Maybe it is the law of diminishing returns but Uncharted 3, Gears 3 etc still look and play great.

Now, with the backlog of AAA games that i never played on the 360, i can pop down to my local CEX and buy some classic 360 games for as little as £8 and enjoy them to bits.

In my opinion, BC is like the XBLA experience the 360 gave us but this time on the Xbox one. I know we will not get all games but i am very happy that Microsoft are giving us this feature.

joab7774035d ago

It's huge b/c it sounds alot better than it actually is. And its something Sony can't counter. Sure, they have Now, which will ultimately allow us to play a gigantic catalog on our TVs, and mobile devices, as well as our consoles...but who cares!

I remember reading articles about how a Hugh percentage of ppl want it, but very few ever actually use it. They just want the option. And many gamers that keep all their old games, and don't sell or trade them in, also keep their machines. Also, the ps3 and 360 do alot more than play games. I kept my ps3 as a blu ray and media player, and gave my nephew my 360.

Does getting all your digital games a big deal. Yeah. But Sony can counter this. I think Sony should simply allow us to pick 1 Now game a month as PS+ owners.

Now be honest...very honest. The Witcher 3 is out, Batman is coming soon. Many still play BB. Heavensward is almost here. Destiny just launched dlc. And starting in Sept, PS4 gamers get MGS5, Destiny expansion, Fallout 4, Battlefront, BO3 and zombies, possible Persona 5, AC Syndicate, GoW3 remasteres, Nathan Drake Collection, a bunch of smaller Indie titles etc etc. Xbone gamers can add Tomb Raider, Halo 5, GoW Collection, and new Summer of Arcade. How many of you are going to be using BC?

Honestly, how many?

IVanSpinal4035d ago

Im still playing Gears 3, BF3, Halo TMCC, BF4(X1) online

starchild4035d ago

I can tell you that I use backwards compatibility on the PC all the time. Games are works of art and they don't automatically stop being good just because a new generation of hardware comes along. Some of the much older games can feel a little clunky in their mechanics (not all), but games from last generation and the one before are generally refined and quite playable. I'd say nearly half of the games I've been playing this year are games that released before the start of this new console generation.

tinynuggins4035d ago

My son still plays black ops 2, legends of wrestling and battle block theater daily. That's the only reason we still have it. When those three titles are bc, 360 is out the door!

Bigpappy4035d ago

I don't buy every new game I like. Some get skipped because I budget my game spending and don't have time to play all the big games. I do buy some smaller games that are lest involving but fun to play. This is why BC is so important. I still have my 360, but it is to slow and under powered. The old games will play better on my X1. Love Phil for this. It is really a big F***** deal for me to play the stuff I bought previously.

lastking954035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

I will! Honestly, sold my 360 and games for $160 so I could make that jump to next gen.

I never played gears and I wanna at least try it out. Idky but i didn't buy red dead redemption and I was so hype to play it but never did. What's so special about fallout? With the hype I wanna try it out. I'll buy Halo reach and wars to complete my halo collection. Need to buy hitman absolution and with so many game that'll be under $10 I'll probably end up buying more but these are sure buys. BC is good for me cause I can now play the games I never got to play like Alan wake for example. No need for a remaster MS youre better off doing a sequel.

Sure buys
Gears 1
Gears 2
Red dead redemption
Hitman absolution
Halo reach
Halo wars
Alan Wake

Probable buys
Residents evil games
Mass effect
Fallout

These are all games I never bought or played (besides reach, I rented that)Out of all the E3 games for 2015 I only plan to buy Halo 5, rare replay and hitman.

TheOnlyMastrx4035d ago

I will be. No really, I have quite a few games on Xbox 360 and so many of them I haven't touched. Of the games I haven't played a few have been remastered or are getting remastered, which is great and all but with BC I can play them without paying for them again. Remasters might get exclusive new content and have updated graphics/framerate, but again its free for me to play if I own the 360 version and they make the backwards compatability list.

DeadManMMX4035d ago

Still playing Dragon Age 2 this moment so I can play Inquisition. After this I have to play the Witcher 2 so I can play the Witcher 3. I paid for these games and I intend to play them. Like green says and I've said before in other threads on here the graphical leap this time wasn't huge. For those of us with huge backlogs this is a wonderful thing. You guys keep arguing using PS3 as your example. It is simply not the same thing PS2 games looked horrible on HD tvs. Also were coming off of a console generation that went strong for 8 years. I know everyone has their opinions but man some of you guys are reaching trying to make this seem like less then it is.

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ltachiUchiha4035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

I totally agree that every system should have BC but Sony has been down that road & they learned with the ps3 that the % of gamers who bought BC ps3's were far less then the models which were more affordable with no BC & is why the ps4 & xb1 didnt include BC at launch. Only reason MS is bringing BC back is because they had no other choice & its a smart move knowing Sony wont counter them since the introducing of ps now. If there is an area that MS has caught Sony slipping its with BC & even though it may not be as huge a deal to those who dont care about BC, MS will take what they can even if the % isnt as much. Like I said its not that its just a smart move on MS but they had no other choice with the position their in. It was definitely a great move on MS is part.

DeadManMMX4035d ago

They had plenty of other choices but they put it to us the fans and feedback and we wanted it and its a hell of a boon.They could just ignore it and create a streaming service like Sony and let all our purchased digital content die with the PS3 but they didn't. The people this matters to far outnumber and outweigh the nay sayers.

RaTaTaT4035d ago

Well said. My thoughts exactly. You could also add the games run better on Xbox one and this lets you play with friends still on 360.

ChronoJoe4035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

Personally I think the impact of BC in this form is very much inflated and that's because it's not automatic, or universal.

So long as there is one title in people's libraries that is not supported, they have to keep their original systems running. Being able to play other titles adds a little convenience, but doesn't save the consumer any cash if it doesn't support everything.

For example, the original PS3s had backwards compatibility supporting 90% of titles, but Jak and Daxter was one of the few games that did not run properly. That alone meant I had to keep my PS2 around, as I couldn't rely on PS3 backward compatibility to support my games library. The PS3 backward compatibility added a little convenience as it meant I did not need to switch systems, but it wasn't anywhere near as impactful as it could have been if it universally and flawlessly supported every title in its predecessors library.

Letros4035d ago

This is why MS is allowing users to vote on which titles come first, so that the few that are left out have minimal impact. RDR is on top atm.

ChronoJoe4034d ago

That form of voting system does help, but doesn't resolve the issue, as many people do not only play the most popular games.

Sure I enjoy games like Red Dead Redemption, but what if I want to play Earth Defense Force Insect Armageddon, what is the likelihood of specific and less mainstream titles being supported immediately? It's just not going to be complete enough to justify putting my 360 away for a very long time.

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n4rc4035d ago

People need to stop thinking forbes.com is Forbes magazine..

One is a well respected publication, the other is a typical site with contributers that don't know a damn thing.. Just one random dudes opinion usually crafted for as many hits as possible

Excalibur4035d ago

I just hope they don't put a half-hearted effort into like they did with the Xbox/Xbox 360 titles.

riverstars864035d ago

Agreed!

I think Microsoft will do a great job though, the main reason being they are under the microscope now. If the BC list isn't satisfying consumers, they will hear about it. Luckily they are actively asking consumers what games they want for day one when it's released to the public.

Excalibur4035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

Agreed, TBH I still find myself playing way more of the 360 than I am the Xbox One as I still have a massive backlog I still need to get to.

It kinda sucks they took the route of have to do something to the game instead of emulating the 360, it would just be nice to just stick the disk in and go instead of waiting on them to make our favorite titles work, this it what worries me, are they going to get half way through the 360 catalog and stop? The 360 catalog is massive compared to the Xbox and I think they did less than half of those titles.

Rookie_Monster4035d ago (Edited 4035d ago )

Biggest Megaton in recent E3 memory as far as impact go. It is an announcement that the competition really have no answer for and make those 80 million plus X360 owners very happy they can carry over their games with all the saves, DLCs, achievement while still be able to play against other x360 online and take advantage of the XB1 features like DVR, Screenshots, and snap.

Can't wait to play Skyrim, Red Dead Redemption, Halo Reach, Gears trilogy, Lost Oddessey, Alan Wake on my XB1 soon!

This is a game changer!

StrayaKNT4035d ago

Definately ended the console war. Best feature to ever come out I hope ps follows soon.

emilijo7774035d ago

what about that 10 million lead PS4 has?

SaveFerris4035d ago

Ended the console war? It hasn't even been two years into this gen.

wegetsignalx4034d ago

The announcement of BC for X1 seems to have done almost nothing for Xbox sales on Amazon.

PS4 will continue outselling Xbox 2:1 in global sales the entire generation.

wegetsignalx4034d ago

BC is a nice bullet point, but rarely used. It won't significantly alter sales.

PhoenixUp4035d ago

Backwards compatibility made upgrading to GBC, PS2, GBA, DS, PS3, Wii, and 3DS a no brainer. Can't say the same for PS4.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai67d ago (Edited 67d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio67d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing67d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9267d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit67d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing67d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9266d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay68d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn269d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers69d ago (Edited 69d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn268d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown69d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos69d ago (Edited 69d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay68d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay68d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac68d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger69d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300069d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde69d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood69d ago (Edited 69d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde68d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7570d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_68d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.