I bought a new console to play new games.

Why should I play witcher 2 when I can play Witcher 3 instead.

I would buy them if they were remastered and priced correctly.

Its a good option to have but bring on the new games.

I just want to play all the PS2 & PS1 classics I bought on the store. There's no excuse to not have those

So Sony can acknowledge that 40% of PS4 owners never owned a PS3 but they still won't look into implementing the feature (for free). They rather we pay to stream the games over the network for a limited amount of time. #ForThePlayers

Fine by me, I can already play all my X360 and PS3 games without needing an X1

why would they endanger PS now?

Oh well, I,made the correct decision of investing 90% of last gen games on X360 anyways so no big loss for me as XB1 will have a great BC feature for my disc based games and digital games like Meat Boy and Shadow Complex.

I can play my PS3 games on my PS4.

I just put my PS3 on top of my PS4 and there you have it PS3 on PS4.

Shuhei Yoshida said "Backward compatibility is hard, I won't say we'll never do it, but it's not an easy thing to do.
"If it was easy we would have done that."

The PS3 and PS4 are so massively different the only ways Sony could offer this is to rebuild every PS3 game to be compatible with the PS4 or add the relevant PS3 hardware to the PS4.

So if you want to play last gen PS3 games that haven’t been remastered keep your PS3 or play them on PSNow.

People seem to forget about PSNow.
I mean if they do what MS did no one will use PSNow and they will end up wasting money on PSNow.

The Xbone B/C is NOT real B/C anyways, it downloads a digital version and does not play from your discs. Trust me, MS is soon going to be overwhelmed with the amount of testing that all these new digital 360 games are going to need before they can be added to the B/C library. This feature will soon be defunct.

Simply not interested in Going back to last gen games
Remasters are ok cos they are PC versions of those games

Last Gen lasted 8 fuckin years
no way in hell i would want to emulate an 8 year old hardware for any N reason on my new machine

It's good that some people wanted it & they got it & i hope it would be worth the effort & they genuinely spend time on an 8 year old emulation (which i doubt)

But i personally never used BC on PS360 & don't intend to use it in this era either

It's kind of impossible, actually.

They need that extra Playstation Now cash anyway

I rather see them come with external hdd

not sure why anyone wants backward compatibility. I used to think it was a big deal till I noticed on my ps3 60 gb I never used that shit. im ready for newer games. if it aint classic I don't want to play it

Sony needs to just admit that they don't have the resources and money to do it. Stop this oh remasters crap saying that is the way to go. They just want more money out of consumers. PSNOw is not the answer as u r once again being ripped off for paying for what u may have owned.

There truly is no better example of how blind fanboys can be than this.

BC is announced for a system and doesn't even require you to rebuy your games and somehow fanboys on the other end downplay it. While... at the same time praising a streaming service that makes you pay way too much to play ps3 games (again, NOT locally) that you probably already owned.

People. Jelly.

It would be nice but I don't see it happening,

If they did, there would be no way to charge us twice for the same game on PSNow. Seems like a bad business move.

It'snot being considered because IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. The cell architecture is too complex to emulate with software, and the PS2 likely is as well. Even today PS2 emulation on PC isn't 100% working.

PS1 should of at least been there since launch,PS3 is a challenge and maybe even PS2 but even Vita and PSP can play PS1

He called it "interesting" because it's not real BC, what's "interesting" is MS are misleading consumers again, until someone asks them for specific details.
Just like how MS let people ride the wave of DirectX12 for a little while until they eventually let Spencer talk about how it won't make much of a difference for the console.

To use backwards compatability, you insert your disc & DOWNLOAD the emulated version, that's why you have so few compatible titles.

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there is two thing why not sony doing BC on ps4
1: because ps3 is different architechture and ps4 simply dont have enough power to emulate cell cpu

2nd or because they lazy fuckers and they rather make remasters for every game, to make more money paystation4...

I own a PS4 but not a ps3. So should I spend $250 or so to play megaman 10? Or what about misadventures of tron bonne that just came out, but ISN'T on the PS4 for whatever reason. I'd be more inclined on PS Now if I could, BUY the games, rather than rent them. I would like to think atleast digital games should be able to be played on the PS4.

Quotes of those not clueless, from the Polygon article's comments,
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Yeah and they will make you pay extra for it because they care so much about gamers like they promised two years ago right? Also it requires you to stream over the internet so enjoy that lag and break another promise about not having to connect online that everyone went apes*** for at the launch press conference right? Hey remember that free drive club game they promised two years ago that turned to s*** and never released because they don’t give a s*** so long as they have the numbers?

This reaction from Shu is hilarious, he straight up says they don’t want to do it because it’s too much work for them and they are already charging extra for Now. Translation: they don’t give a s*** about what is best for you because they are in a situation that benefits them more.

Now they are in the marketplace install base lead Sony is quickly falling back into its old ways and that’s what concerns me the most. They pinned their entire e3 conference on a 20 year old REMAKE that won’t be out for years, an 8 year old game in development that still won’t be out until next year at best, and a kickstarter for a game they aren’t even fully funding and instead letting the fans pay for the bill and the fans still lap it up as if Sony gives a flying f*** about what is best for gamers so long as they get paid. It’s a joke.

Microsoft came out this year offering free, native, backwards compatibility, elite controller, HoloLens, oculus rift partnership, valve vr partnership, PC streaming, windows 10 integration, early access program that is free, free PC mods, and 5 exclusive flagship titles (AAA not just indie) launching before THIS holiday season. What is Sony offering its consumer base this year? No Man’s Sky? a few timed exclusives that will be multiplatform anyway?

I don’t care about the reasons Microsoft is motivated to make these moves, hell at least they are making them and they actually benefit gamers rather than just empty words, gestures or promises. what has Sony done for me lately?"

"Krelastus

I genuinely wish that I could recommend this comment multiple times (^ previous comment). I literally had this exact exchange with a friend of mine today who thought that I was supporting Microsoft because they care about their customers and Sony doesn’t. I had to take the time to explain that I’m not under any delusions that either company cares about their customers so much as the money and the fact alone that Microsoft is making decisions that benefit them and us instead of just them is why I’d rather give them my money at this point. I try to look at the two companies objectively and not allow myself bias of one over the other and right now looking at it from a consumer’s standpoint Microsoft has been doing everything right. In a nutshell, Microsoft hasn’t stopped listening to their consumers since day one and, as far as I can tell, Sony hasn’t started. Unless of course everyone berated Microsoft at launch for having media features then turned around and begged Sony to give them those same media features in the PS4, because every single system update to my PS4 has been almost exclusively more media features."
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All this time I've been mentioning how Sony fans are BACKWARDS, and I overlooked mentioning that PS Now requires "always online"... the bit about PS4 updates mostly adding media features is another often overlooked point... the LONG list of Ms naysayer hypocrisy continues.

Another idea I thought of while reading this article... people glorify Sony's hardware design skills all while the PITA PS3 hardware design is what's often holding them back, thus no backwards compat.

I understand maybe they can't emulate ps3 games since ps3 uses cell broadband engine. And ps4 uses x86 architecture.

But what about ps2 and ps1 games?

I believe those are a lot more easier to do.

So I hope we at least get the ability to play ps1 and ps2 games on ps4 without a paywall.

Rule #1 about buying a new console.
1. Always keep your old console.

If you follow rule #1 you will never have any problems.

"Backward compatibility is hard," he said. "I won't say we'll never do it, but it's not an easy thing to do.

"If it was easy we would have done that."

I don't think Ps3 games are possible to emulate with a Ps4. I don't think the Ps4 has the brute force to run an all software emulation. they are two wildly different systems.

However PS1 and PS2 should be easy to do but Sony shot themselfes in the foot by not having a CD compatible drive right?

However if Sony were real cool about it they could make an update that has disc recognition software that lets you stream a game for free from PS now if you had the disc for that game in your PS4 or digital library. that should be very doable and nice, just saying.

fine by me i never owned a ps3 anyway

Sony say its not needed or wanted. But they built a eco system around paying for the service. ???

Why make it free if we have a subscription service?

Shitty misleading clickbait headline seeing as how he's actually saying never say never but it isn't easy.

that is why i didn't consider to pay for ps now.

Ha I must be the only one who is ok with this no backward compatibility thing.

so much sony for being for the game now their anti gamers

Glad Microsoft was able to pull this off, and hopefully they can fill the library of compatible games completely over time (minus kinect and games that require Xbox 360 peripherals).

I don't fully understand why Sony can't do this but I get that its CPU compatability or something. It's a shame, would be great to be able to put up my PS3 when I get a PS4, but I guess I can keep it out. I hoped that both consoles would have BC at launch, but neither did unfortunately.

So it's "too hard" is it? Sounds like a lazy excuse to me. Why not offer a more technical answer that would at least sound more convincing sony?

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.