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How Xbox 360 backwards compatibility works on Xbox One

MMGN: Microsoft explained to MMGN that backwards compatibility has been made possible via software emulation essentially running a virtual Xbox 360 within the Xbox One to overcome the vastly different console architectures.

Here's how Xbox 360 games work on Xbox One.

4Sh0w4007d ago (Edited 4007d ago )

This is a nice brief but informative look at how the new BC works....I still have some deeper technical questions but whatever I'll just congratulate Microsoft X1 software engineers on a job well done.

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KyRo4007d ago

It's a good idea and I wish Sony went down this route instead of charging us for PS now but while this is good news, has everyone forgot that MS said the x360 would play the OG Xbox games and very few of them actually worked? I hope they do but I remain sceptical.

Volkama4007d ago

That required emulation on a game-by-game basis though. If this is truly emulating a virtual 360 then that work won't be required. So basically I don't think they have repeated that mistake.

Personally it's a pretty minor feature to me as I still have a 360 anyway, but it was certainly not a small undertaking, so I am quite impressed that MS have delivered it. Emulating 3x 3.2ghz Power PC CPU cores on a lower-clocked x86 CPU is no small feat.

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4Sh0w4007d ago (Edited 4007d ago )

I agree with everything but the "fairly easy" part, I know a tiny bit about emulation/CPU/GPU and with everything X1 has going on under the hood with the OS/hypervisor this was a software engineering masterpiece.

I mean really when I think about the simple coding Ive done and how difficult it was, things that on the surface seem very very simple can take a mindboggling amount of work/expertise, then there always tiny issues that make you want to break the whole damm computer:

"Some Xbox 360 games require the dashboard to invite friends to multiplayer. That’s very different to the Xbox One system, so the Xbox 360 dashboard still exists. However, the Xbox button is occupied – it takes you to the Xbox One home screen – so Microsoft has had to shoehorn another afterthought button combination. Pressing the Menu and Option buttons together, when playing an Xbox 360 game on Xbox One, will bring up the Xbox 360 dashboard. Considering how rarely it’ll be required, it’s a workable solution to a problem Microsoft never thought would exist, and certainly much better than double tap + Y to take a screenshot."

-lol, we're not even talking about the complex stuff.

UltraNova4007d ago

Yes its a good idea if Sony offered emulated BC but its a bad idea to expect them to shell out the cost of maintaining all those Gaikai servers to stream old ps3 games to us for free.

As for me, I'll never give my ps3 away so it doesn't matter and since most interesting games are getting remastered anw I couldn't care less for BC even thought it would be a nice option to have.

urwifeminder4007d ago

Only played geometry wars so far but worked great need me some Battlestions though stat.

4Sh0w4007d ago

lmfao, me too and Ive seen alot people say this...does anybody not have this game?

KingPin4007d ago

its great that they implemented this feature for xbox gamers.

my only problem is even if you have the disc, you have to download the entire game to the Xone.

why couldnt i just rip the disc to the internal HDD instead, and have the feature to have the disc inserted in order to play the game.

that would work wonders for people with slow internet connections.

Aenea4007d ago

Something tells me they took the binaries of the 360 game, ran it through a conversion program that spits out x86 binaries instead. This speeds up the emulation of the PowerPC instruction set because it's, well, not being emulated at all. So all that's left (ahem, still not that easy) is to emulate the rest of the 360.

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freshslicepizza4007d ago

it's to stop people from downloading the game then selling the disk i would imagine. it's a safety net to make sure you are the owner of the disk. it's not like you have to download the game each time you want to play, you just need to have the disk in the system.

KingPin4007d ago

perhaps you misunderstood my comment.

"why couldnt i just rip the disc to the internal HDD instead, AND have the feature to have the DISC INSERTED in order to play the game."

basically after ripping the disc, it could automatically delete a small file that has to be recopied from the disc everytime you wanna play the game. (or something along those lines)

downloading one game that 8GB big will take a few weeks to download where i am. (not all of us are in the USA/UK/AUS where internet speeds are nothing to worry about)

8GB a game, 32-40 games in my collection...you do the maths.

like i said, its a great feature, but not everyone who wants to use it will be able to. ripping the disc seems easier option. but like the other guys said up top, they probably converted the binaries or something along those lines not to mention probably have added code for the hardware etc.

kbozz714007d ago

Yeah, this would be nice, but how would they control it? Anyone could just borrow any 360 game, insert disc, and download the full game. Then, return the disc, sell it, or whatever. I agree this would be nice but I do see MS's reasoning behind it.

KingPin4007d ago

my thought process:

1) insert original x360 disc into xone
2) rip x360 game to HDD
3) ripping is complete
4) remove x360 disc.
5) after disc is removed, the console then deletes a few small key files which will have to be recopied as soon as disc is inserted, and deleted as soon as disc is removed. (im thinking somewhere along the lines of 50-100MB)

that way you can rent/borrow and rip as many games as you like, but unless you can copy those key files permanently to your console (which obviously you cant), you always going to require a disc coz they will constantly be copied and removed. also, the files could be randomized too. so you never know exactly which key files are being kept and which ones are being removed.

kingPoS4006d ago

I get you on the limited bandwidth, not to long ago I had to make due with 3mb dsl. So yeah, I too know the pain of waiting for a 5gb+ game to finish downloading.

Gateway MT6706 2008

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Fro_xoxo4007d ago

I love how people are trying to undermine MS' efforts. This native backward compatibility is a BIG DEAL. You now have the 360's library being open to you. There are tons of games I didn't get to play.

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forcefullpower4007d ago

Just curious but you call this native yet I cannot put just any 360 game into the xbox one and play it. I have to specifically ask them to add it.

JasonKCK4007d ago

forcefullpower

1st. You obviously don't know what native means.

2nd. "I have to specifically ask them to add it" I guess they could have went the other way, like charging a high price for it.

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Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle39d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7739d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300044d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7244d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit43d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania44d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit43d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0743d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr44d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box44d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr44d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9544d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7244d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--44d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7244d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket44d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm44d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde44d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9243d ago (Edited 43d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_44d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted44d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit43d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9243d ago (Edited 43d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT44d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers44d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14944d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0743d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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