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Xbox One Backwards Compatibility Is Exactly The Wrong Move For Microsoft

Amid all the hype and hyperbole inevitably – and mostly entertainingly – emerging from this year’s E3 gaming show, Microsoft’s revelation that it’s introducing backwards compatibility for Xbox 360 titles to the Xbox One stands out like the proverbial sore gamer’s thumb.

xHeavYx4012d ago

"My main issue with it is this: that it aligns the Xbox One with the past right at the time when the console should most be focused on the future."
It's a good point, but I also think that BC is a great move.

nicksetzer14012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

It doesn't "align itself with the past." It opens it as an option. They still have recore, sea of thieves,below, inside, halo 5, tomb raider, forza 6, gear collection, rare replay, gears 5, scalebound, crackdown, quantum break and plenty more coming in the next year or two. It isnnot as if backwards compatibility is all they offer, it is just in addition.

Free backwards compatibility for over 100 titles is nothing but a plus. I have a feeling had another company done this is wouldn't have been chastised. In fact, it is almost rediculous that anyone can find something to complain about with it. PSNow is doing the same thing (last gen titles on next gen) except you have to pay... that on top of remasters of those games, which cost as well.

Such a bad move that it was the most requested feature on their forum...
https://xbox.uservoice.com/...

EDKICK4012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

Exactly if Sony had done it everyone would be praising them up and down. A move that is a sign of goodwill and a sign their listening to the fans a move that lets gamers play the games they already own without having to pay(which may discourage remasters somewhat hopefully) and a full e3 conference with exciting games and new ip and new exclusives with the promise the gamescom show is as big but this is a wrong move and they're focusing on the past ok sure man whatever you say.Is it so hard to just admit everyone has had a good to great e3

rdgneoz34012d ago

"Free backwards compatibility for over 100 titles is nothing but a plus"

Isn't it listed as only 18 titles right now? More to come obviously, but not even close to 100.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/x...

Gazondaily4012d ago

^^ How are people not understanding that the current lineup is for preview members only? Its been restated so much. BC hasnt even launched yet.

xHeavYx4012d ago

"If Sony had done it..."
Here we go...

cartoonx14012d ago

@rdgneoz3 BC is not even release lol. those 18 titles are for preview members. when it go live there will be more thn 100 titles.

Gh05t4012d ago

@Heavy

You really dont think this move brings out a double standard. You cant imagine that if Sony had revealed this it wouldnt have been plastered all over as another nail in the coffin of why move to current gen Xbox One when your PS4 will play your PS3 games.

This move should be nothing but praised considering its usually on the cons side of a new console pros and cons.

Pogmathoin4012d ago

"If Sony had done it..."
Here we go...

Yet, a positive thing for Xbox one, and you go out running for anything that can portray it negatively, and as you always do in your own submissions, comment first to hammer that point. I have a huge catalogue of 360 games to finish, and to be able to do it on one console, one controller, tell me what is bad about that.... finally be able to free up an HDMI spot much needed on my TV. Its also free, use it or not, and the fact that is a hugely requested feature, you are complaining that MS listen to its fans, yet when MS announced X1, you complained that MS never listens to its fans...... theres a simple word for this..... bitter...

UnHoly_One4012d ago

This has to just be clickbait, right?

I mean, how can anyone possibly take this as anything but a good thing?

kreate4012d ago

@edkick

"Exactly if Sony had done it everyone would be praising them up and down"

No one praised sony when they did it w the ps3. Ppl bashed it so bad sony got rid of it.

GMR_PR4012d ago

If it was that MS was bringing BC because the lack of games then I would say its a bad move, but they are bringing the games, not only their big franchises but also new IPs. BC is just an added feature to a console that already have great features, how is this a bad move I just can't comprehend it.

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AngelicIceDiamond4012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

Having a hard time seeing how this is a negative. Sea Of Thieves, Recore, Ion along sides loads of indies and AAA's this holiday all through out next year that are finally spread out. The PS4 is the only console that's not native BC at the moment unless you pay for it.

This feature was requested for 2 years now since the reveal of not only X1 but PS4 as well.

Article is irrelevant.

nX4012d ago

Am I the only one who couldn't care less about backwards compatibilty? I sold my last gen consoles a few weeks before the new consoles launched and haven't looked back since. I'm more than busy enough with the new stuff already.

BlackTar1874012d ago

God what is with the Victim mentality Jesus people. Is this really how you want to be portrayed? Ohh if sony did it? Buncha a hypothetical un provable nonsense. It's a bad look.

vega2754012d ago

@ kreate

Are you serious. Sony got rid of BC to save money cause they wasn't making a profit with the ps3 and they realized they could charge their fan for games they already own. Samething they are doing now.

Do honestly believe that with 90 million ps3's sold that no one has played these remakes from last gen. Here a tip if all those people wasn't interested then why would you think they will now with a fresh coat of paint. Especially when people you mostly hear who's going to rebuy the game is people who likely already own a last gen copy.

DragonKnight4012d ago

I'm sorry but this guy at Forbes is an idiot. I'm not exactly what you'd call an MS supporter, but you can ask people like Septic what I was saying when MS announced BC and I said that it was a big deal, that they pretty much rendered the value of PSNow useless, and that Sony had better have an answer to it.

BC is a big deal. It is NOT the wrong move to make. When you are charging for something your competitor is not, restricted or otherwise, you'd better have a damn better excuse than "well you don't need a PS4 to use PSNow."

Gamers are the ones who'd care about BC, not your average tv or smartphone user. And since we do, we would own the console to begin with. MS knew this and accommodated for it. Sony hasn't.

darthv724012d ago

@kreate... people didnt bash sony for having it. In fact they bashed sony for taking it away. Among other things sony removed over the course of the PS3 generation. Media reader, USB ports, Other OS....

All in the name of saving $$ while MS was adding in features that werent there to begin with and still making it affordable.

Saigon4012d ago

For me it is not the fact that they done it; its the timing. If this was presented day one when the console launched...win win for MS. But that is not the case it is after the fact, especially with the lineup they have upcoming in the next few, I don't see the need.

asadachi4012d ago

@EDKICK.. if Sony had done it... Wow, just wow. One day gamers won't be so pathetic and seek to blame, but today is not that day.

dcbronco4012d ago

It seems Forbes never has anything relevant to say about Microsoft. Their so called tech people are as blind as bats. BC brings huge opportunities for Microsoft. Looking at the overall picture Microsoft has slowly revealed BC was a given.

With Windows 10 as the platform instead of a particular device Microsoft has brought the Xbox brand in direct competition with Steam. With universal apps running across all platforms we may soon see some of these old games being run not only on One, but on every Windows 10 device including phone.

I fully expect to see sales like Steam does in the next year or two. But with the advantage of the games working on all of your Windows devices. It's also an assault on Android and IOS. Windows phone doesn't appear to be a threat now. But it is growing fast in emerging markets. This will help it grow in the gamers demographic and Continuum and security will make it grow in the business market.

Well played Microsoft. Well played.

4Sh0w4011d ago (Edited 4011d ago )

I don't get how something that has been the most requested feature since Day 1 in most feedback forums can be NOW be a con, once they delivered.

I think sony had just as many request for it before they rolled out their brand new affordable pay for it now...

p$now service

...and I've heard all over n4g how cool it was to play their old games on ps4, vita etc. n4g has tons of stories about ps now with some pretty hilarious support for the evolving pricing model like this one:
http://n4g.com/news/1560258...

kreate4011d ago (Edited 4011d ago )

@darth

ppl bashed the ps3 for the price. but the BC is what made price go up.

so later they got rid of the ps3 with the ps2 guts inside and came out with another model ps3 with software emulation BC. dropped the price by $100.

when that wasn't enough the ps3 bash days of n4g between 2006-2009 was so horrible. (and ppl claim n4g is a sony site) sony again took away the emulation BC and dropped it even further by another $100.

than everyone complain that features are taken away. sony just cant win cant they?

which is the point im making towards EDKICK.

u can argue its the blu ray that also made the price high but blu ray isn't something sony can take out of a ps3.

there's different angles to the situation. but some ppl claim when sony does something, its all nothing but praises up and down which isn't true.

im just saying bro.

and im a xbox360/xbox one gamer. 2yr gold membership. add me on xbox live. saids it right there on my live profile.

Gotcha54011d ago

People should also request for Original Xbox games bc as well... think about it people...games like Crimson Skies,Phantom Dust,Jade Empire,Half-Life 2,Star Wars KOTOR,Time Splitters,Star Wars Battlefront,Otagi,Red Dead Revolver,Manhunt and Ninja Gaiden Black all I still own.

medman4011d ago

@nicksetzer1
I agree with you, but I think the move is being overhyped a bit. If Sony chooses, it could offer playstation gamers games they've already bought for free through psnow, or simply lower the pricing of the service, or offer a subscription option when you purchase psplus that if you want to play a back catalog of games, you pay a little more for your annual subscription.

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Gazondaily4012d ago

How does it align them with the past? Its just a feature. Its not like Xbox HQ are gonna stop in their tracks and spent all their resources on this.

Just because the feature, by its very nature, deals with past titles means Xbox is looking too much in the past? That makes very little sense especially when we can clearly see MS investing harder than ever before into the future of the brand and its games lineup.

thrust4012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

It's would be the best thing ever if the other company done it!

raWfodog4012d ago

I agree, this is a just a convenient feature to have. I enjoy having my fat PS3 able to play some PS2 games and all PS1 games as I am a hoarder and don't sell off my old games. Every now and then I get a hankering to play some nostalgic games (even though they look like crap on my big screen :)) Whenever I pick up my XB1, it'll be good knowing that I can do the same with my 360 games.

And I don't think it's a 'wrong' move by MS at all. In fact, I think it is a very calculated move to finally win over the 360 holdouts who haven't been enticed to getting a XB1 yet.

RocketScienceLvlStuf4012d ago

Great article and from a reputable company. I knew this but dare not say it here.

nicksetzer14012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

Reputable? It is just a random guy...

This is in his bio:
"I am currently a regular contributor to The Sunday Times, Ideal Home, Trustedreviews.com, Techradar.com, Home Cinema Choice magazine, Wired, and, of course, Forbes."

This is not written by a forbes employee at all, just a random freelancer.

Dread4012d ago

yet u say it anyways

wow.

GMR_PR4012d ago

@nicksetzer1

A freelancer? Not even, just a contributor.

BecauseImBatman4012d ago

Why doesn't it surprise me that you agree with this... oh that's right your in every positive xbox article downplaying it. I'm not even an Xbox gamer but I'm damn straight getting one this holiday... instant game library when I'm buy bring all my 360 games over not to mention the great holiday line up. If you were a real gamer, you'd see the merits of all this putting your own interests aside. I'm not that into Racing games but did I recognize Forza 6 as a great game to this holiday lineup, yes. So do I recognize this as great news, hell yes...

I guess Sony are stuck in the past for deveoping the Playstation Now service as well right ? You people today...

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Mega244012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

I think it was a great move, so we can put the god damn remasters away and focus on new IP's or sequels, instead of using those resources on past games. According to Phil, all they have to do is approach a dev who wants the game backwards compatible, and they just flip the switch.

It secures those who haven't made the leap from 360 to One easier, knowing that they will have some games to play from their 360 catalog.

xHeavYx4012d ago

"so we can put the god damn remasters away and focus on new IP's or sequels"
BC is not gonna do anything to prevent remasters. Just look at GoW 3 being remastered.

christian hour4012d ago

"and they just flip the switch." More switch flipping eh? haha sorry, couldnt resist.

This article is clickbait at its finest, Backwards Compatibility is a great move, all thats needed now is to add more and more titles to the list.

I own a ps4 btw, plan to get an x1 at some point when the timing feels right to me and I'm not so broke. I wasn't an early adapter as I felt microsoft insulted the entire gamin community when it first unveiled its console, but they're making a lot of moves to restore faith in the community. I've been a multi-console owner at the beginning of every gen bar this one, which was kind of heart breaking for me.

Keep it up Microsoft, I thought this years e3 might have been your year (til sony pulled it out of the bag), i just didn't think Sony would dominate 3 years in a row, but there was plenty on display to impress me on the MS front, especially rares new ip! I may just invest next year :)

kneon4012d ago

It would have been a great move at launch, but having taken so long now it's downgraded to just a good move.

This feature would have been far more useful at launch, now there are plenty of new games to play so old games are much less important.

CYCLEGAMER4012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

I think the most important thing here is that it is free, and it is up to developers to simply say OK. MS is leaving this up to the developers which scares me because remasters are "a thing" now and they probably would much rather make money off of us than to give MS the ok access their old game.

As far as this article is concerned...how do people manage to spin any and everything MS does into a negative??? How is this possible....lol. Get a fackin life dude...lol

Mikelarry4012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

"As far as this article is concerned...how do people manage to spin any and everything MS does into a negative??? How is this possible....lol. Get a fackin life dude...lol"

I was just thinking the same, this article is showing some really bitter users on n4g. the ps4 is my platform of choice but even i commend MS for this, as well as it being free and them showing new IP's somehow some of these so called "journalist" twist every positive MS does into a negative... DAMN

christian hour4012d ago

"remasters are 'a thing' now"

They've always been a thing. Ports, remasters, wahtever you want to call em. THey're nothing new. However the industry has grown so much, the platforms on which people can purchase and download has changed tremendously, so not only are we seeing more ports, we're also seeing more games and digital downloads, there are also more developing studios than there has been in the history of this industry.

ManAnimalX4012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

@MELMAN26

at the end of the day, lots of people don't trust MS, so yea a perceived positive is looked upon cynically. We could debate about MS not having any games or some would say that's not true and they do.

But there are millions of 360 owners who haven't made the jump to Next Gen, specifically XB1. Why? Why is that? There must be some good reason right?

Its because no matter what side of the fence you sit on, "MS has games or they don't", the games that have been released so far by MS DO NOT APPEAL to them.

That's the point, the type of games some sitting on the fence 360 owners want have not been released or announced.

So the point of BC is to attempt to fill in for what MS is lacking in spades according to Sell through numbers on XB1's sold.....GAMES, the original IP's for Next Gen, yea I know they have a few, but there not coming out til sometime next year, and probably not til the fall 2016.

I wasn't impressed at all by MS's E3, when was the last time MS released an original AAA 1st party IP?. Oh I see, they haven't, not even 1 that I can think of since XB1 has been released.

And the only 1 they have comes out in the fall, Halo 5, XB1 owners had to wait 2 years just to get 1 AAA IP, and its a sequel, not a New Original IP.

But MS had a great E3?, imo you have to be lowering your standards and expectations of MS to say that, so far Phil Spencer has proven he's a good talker, only imo.

super_bruno4012d ago

Since when Backward Compatibility is bad? Did I miss something?

ShadowKing-4012d ago

its not bad, i think its just way to late to introduce at this point for MS and Sony.

GMR_PR4012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

Late maybe, but bad is just pushing it. Its a welcome feature since when an added feature is negative thing.

BlackTar1874012d ago

it's a welcome feature and a great feature but it's not earth shattering i mean the biggest news is BC. You don't win e3 with yesterdays games.

super_bruno4012d ago

@BlackTar187

Moving the goalpost much... Who's talking about winning E3?

Im talking about how this got spun into a negative thing.

vega2754012d ago

@ black tar

"You don't win E3 on yesterday's games"

WHAT isn't that one of the reasons why people said Sony won E3 by announcing a FF7 remake when the game is over ten years old.

BlackTar1874011d ago (Edited 4011d ago )

Yes Vega and Shenmue 3 and Horizon and Showing UC4.

I mean sure if you wanted to point out what the biggest was then maybe it was FF7 but others it was Shenmue 3 and for a lot of people it was Horizon. Also a huge amount of people it was Last Guardian. Not too sure about Dream but i'll wait and see.

i can tell you my biggest announcement on PS was Horizon by biggest announcement on xbox was Hololens biggest on Nintendo even though it hurt was Star fox.

I guess BC will give you single console owners something to play on MS console during the 9 months of the year they tend to forget about.

So your point is moot. Also FF7 is like 20yrs old. I imagine you weren't around to see it's original release so i'll cut you some slack.

4Sh0w4011d ago

Blacktar that's some heavy spin there.

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gosukyomomma4012d ago

It is to some me however not so much i dont spend £400 to play old games what sense does that make i would actually rather buy a second hand 360 if i wanted to but that got traded because it was only used to stream sky during the last few gameless years of the 360. Out of all the consoles i have owned i have played just one game that that required backwards compatability so to me i do think it is a waste of time but nice feature non the less i suppose

ShadowKing-4012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

its defiantly a feature and that's it, when people buy a next gen console they don't say, "im buying a next gen console to play last gen games". they expect a whole new experience.

Now its great that you will be able to play without turning back on your 360. But not all games will be added and i assume that its up to the developer to make the decision on whether to let xbox one support them.

Now i dont even own a xbox one and really dont have any intention on buying in the near future but it would be great if sony would allow ps3 games to be played vs ps now but again IMO when i bought my ps4 i was not looking to play last gen games but again this would be a nice feature but at this point i just used to going back to my ps3 if i want to play ps3 games which i have not done in awhile.

DARK WITNESS4012d ago

it's the most ridiculous point I have heard all day...

"aligns the xbox one with the past when it should be focused on the future"....

Both consoles have been dragged into holding onto the past with the constant remasters that have been pushed out.... And people keep defending this trend saying it's a good thing and it means people who have not played those games can enjoy them, while people who don't want them don't have to buy them.

With proper BC now, it means the dev's don't have to use any resources at all on remasters (if they don't want to) which means they can be 100% focused on new games for this gen!

The gamers who cry about wanting to play old games (you know the ones who managed to just missout on everything from last gen) can still get those games... but check this out..

Instead of having to buy a remaster for £40 a pop, they can buy the original copy for like £10 stead!

and the rest of use who hate remasters and have been complaining about what a drain they are on this gen... well we have nothing to complain about because the dev's don't need to remaster and we can play our old games as well without feeling like we are being robbed by having to pay full price for old games that we already own.

how is this a bad thing?

We complain about all the remasters... MS solves the problem in the best way possible, now we are complaining that the solution is the wrong move.

We would rather have dev teams pushing out old games brushed up to 1080p instead of making new next gen games???

I can't believe I am reading this.... really... I mean really!!

Bigpappy4012d ago

Did not hear anything about this focus on the past junk with PSnow. This is much better thanks that rip off.

SPAM-FRITTER-1234012d ago

Been away from N4G for a while and i have come back to the same people. PS Now charges you but it's worth it, MS offer it FREE and it's a failure. Same old N4G i take it.

3ndulg34012d ago

Lol you freaking sony fans are psycho and I dont mean it in a good way.

xHeavYx4012d ago

Lol, you crybabies who can't accept that people have a different opinions (and label everyone who has a negative comment as a Sony fan) are psycho, and I don't mean in a good way.

Professor_K4012d ago

Dear xHeavYx

NO ONE IS FORCED TO ACCEPT YOUR BIASED BULLCRAP ONESIDED DOUBLE STANDARD FANBOY OPINION

Now stick to criticizing the only console you have any interest in and well stick to ours,

sincerely gamers

xHeavYx4011d ago

@Dr_K
Let's take a look at your non biased bullcrap onesided double standard fanboy opinion

"Doubt it, sonys fanbase would blow it to heaven declare sony ultimate saints melt downt the internet and declare an early victory or some fanboy hype nonsense"

"They (Sony) won hipster tears and nostalgia rides.
Ms won in freash (freash?) euphoria"

"desperate move by sony, out of all the cods they chose Black ops"

So, I guess I made my point. If you are gonna call someone for "BIASED BULLCRAP ONESIDED DOUBLE STANDARD FANBOY OPINION" make sure that you are not doing the same bull. Otherwise you'll look like an idiot.

Gunstar754012d ago

The timing is perfect. Not everyone is rolling is cash, so now lots of people can trade their 360's in but can still play their favourite games! There are some good trade in deal at the moment.

I'll be putting my 360 into storage come January so I'll have more room!

How anyone can twist this into a negative is beyond me.

oSHINSAo4012d ago

Easy,
1. You can sell your xbox 360 to get new games,hardware, stuff
2. It helps sell those cheap games left at stores that we couldn´t play
3. Please god, less Remakes/remasters, focus on new ips/sequels

IMO

Rimfro4012d ago

I don't see how it's a good point. They literally are just flipping a switch, and leaving it up to developers to activate. I doubt it took vast resources, or focus to make this feature possible. SMH. Xbox is like LeBron James. It doesn't matter how much they do right, the brand will always be held to a different standard than other systems, and I have no clue why.

Sony gets a pass on their terrible network. Stripping features, charging for BC, "winning" E3 for showing a remake that isn't even dated yet, the hacking scandal, and for suing a gamer for daring to keep his own OS on his console, that was allowed by Sony at launch.

Yet, somehow, Sony has gotten a pass, and they are the only ones who "care about the gamer", and Microsoft is still held accountable for what they only thought about doing. They have adapted their entire business model, and continue to do so, based on the community. But somehow, it's always displayed as a detriment on this site. And now, BC is a bad thing, because "it shows they are focused on the past", yet PSNOW, is still being touted as a "feature". Hahaha. Ya'll are all crazy. I love you, but you're crazy...

Christopher4012d ago

I get his thinking, but he's wrong. It opens up the future more as people with 360s can feel better about trading them in to get XBO and still play their 360 games until they move onto XBO games.

callahan094012d ago

I don't mean to insult anyone with this statement, but to me backwards compatibility right now is showing the absurdity of the gaming community. Our priorities are all out of whack if we're celebrating this as some kind of important bombshell. Look, I've got a shelf full of PS1 and PS2 games, and I've got a fully backwards compatible original model PS3 hooked up, and I haven't played a single PS1 or PS2 game since 2008. That's SEVEN YEARS since the last time I played one of these games. I think most gamers, in reality, are like me... we don't go back and play last gen games that often. For the first couple years of a generation you might, and then as time goes on, you touch them less and less, until you look at your collection and realize that you've gone the majority of the time you've owned the console (AND THEN SOME) since the last time you ever used the backwards compatibility. It's a talking point, a bullet point, and it's an admittedly consumer-friendly feature, but the reality is that so many good games are always coming out in the here and now that there's little time or incentive to go back and play the so-called "classics" except when they get released in improved/remastered versions on new-gen consoles at discount prices anyway.

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Professor_K4012d ago

"Xbox One Backwards Compatibility Is Exactly The Wrong Move For Microsoft"

keep telling your self that, i cant decide wheather this is more of a damage control for sony or a clickbait, most likely half of both

jrshankill4011d ago (Edited 4011d ago )

This article was written by a R-Tard. I'm sure if the author could pop in a PS3 disc into his PS4 and download the game there would be jizz all over his console.

It's like saying that EVERY past game is obsolete. What an idiot. Who approved this??

NatFanBoyRestricted4011d ago

How does it align itself with the past when the feature is made to help benefit people playing on last gen, transition to the future? And it's free, so they can continue playing where they left off without investing money into the same game. Everyone's it seems that's playing on current gen seems to mouth their opinion hyping it or downplaying it. I say the most important persons opinion right now would have to be someone that's only on last gen. Help gamers move forward.

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otherZinc4011d ago

@John Archer,

No, you are the one experiencing "dumbness" in your ridiculous analogies of friggin stupid!

M$ just made my enormous 360 library valid!
M$ just made PS Now a Ripoff to PS4 owners. And, at the prices PS Now is ridiculous anyway.

It's a perfect business move of loyalty M$ afforded it's consumers.

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ifinitygamer4012d ago

BC is a great move for those gamers who have a large library and don't want to worry about it not working in the future because their console stops working. A lot of people are on the fence about an Xbox, but with this, it makes an insane amount of sense to get one now.

Thefreeman0124012d ago

Can't understand why anyone wouldn't want BC. I have a large Xbox library and I most certainly want to back and replay my old games sometimes.

gosukyomomma4012d ago

Ok so you own a large library of xbox games because you own an xbox correct? (Well obviously) Currently you need a 360 to play this huge library of games so what will you do sell your 360 and get hardly anything back for it (since it would be worth nothing with no games as you want to keep them all) or you buy an xbox one/begin using your xbox one to play these old games then.... what would be the point in buying it? apart from earning a few dollars wouldnt it be better to keep the old system and old games together and keep it all together for nostalgic reasons? Why not Use the hdmi out and hook them both up for backwards compatibilty? If it is so important to you? The next response im going to get is why have to consoles next to eachother etc but why get one to play old games?

Just a question because i dont get is great about all of this i really dont and i own an xbox myself

christian hour4012d ago

What if his 360 breaks, as they are known to do? (personally I went through 5 of them last gen.) Buy another 360? At least with the xb1 BC he wont have to (assuming those games make the BC list over the coming months and years)

gosukyomomma4012d ago

But why would they need to buy n xbox one if its the old games they want to play thats what baffles me? So for example i own a 100 xbox games and think right time to buy a next gen console why would you buy it then think oh yea great i can play this old game on this?... why not just play it on your current system? I just dont get the mentality and logic of some people but their choice i suppose lol

s45gr324012d ago

So paying $60.00 plus tax for the game you own with a.new coat of pain is the better option. Get real, gamers proved that they like playing old games due to remastered games success.

christian hour4012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

@gosukyomomma It's about choice, what if one day you're sitting there and you've had your fill of new games, and suddenly the urge to play an old classic arises, it's nice to have that option. No?

One of my biggest regrets was selling my original ps3 with BC (I needed to pay off hospital bills), my ps2 has long since perished and I missed being able to dip into my past library.

On ps4, I was very happy that my digital purchase of flow and flower carried over and was waiting for me the day I bought it and booted it up, but I was also disappointed my digital psone classics didnt.

I had ff7/ff8/ff9 and I'm gutted I cant download them for my ps4. Would love to see more ps3 digital purchases carry over to my ps4. But with PSNow I can understand why sony might be hesitant to do so, I can also understand the amount of work and time that would have to go in to it for every developer involved with the psone classics etc to have to go back and rework them yet again to work on ps4, when they're probably busy on other projects.

That is probably the one problem facing x1's BC, how many developers are willing to go back and make sure they run on the xb1 and tweak the code here and there? Sure they could outsource the work but at the end of the day its time and money on somethin they'll reap no profit from. We'll see a lot of first party studio games make the jump from 360 to x1 but I dont see a lot of third party devs bothering.

All in all, its still a win for gamers and x1 owners.

Nosred4012d ago

A great movement would launch remaster last year and charge new prices.
ok ....
Alienated fanboys cheer.

Hellsvacancy4012d ago

I picked up Metro Redux for only £9.99, it looks loads better compared to the PS3 version I played

I wouldn't play 85% of last gen games again, most of them looked pretty dreadful, jaggy etc

s45gr324012d ago

But you bought an old game. That's what is baffling to me, I don't buy next-generation consoles to play old games so backwards compatibility is not needed. But I am willing to buy $60.00 plus tax old ass games, did not you said that next-generation consoles were bought for new gaming experiences.

Hellsvacancy4012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

Never played the first Metro game, it never came to the PS3 and besides it IS a next gen game, it can only be played on a next gen system

PizzaSteve4012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

I still have my PS3 to play older games so BC isn't that important to me.

And congrats to the Warriors 2015 Champs.

The 10th Rider4012d ago

I keep all my old consoles too. But it is convenient when you don't need to set up two consoles, and when you can sell your old console to contribute to an upgrade but keep all your old games. It is something that can tip someone from considering a console to actually purchasing it.

spicelicka4012d ago

Lol most relevant place for a Golden State shout out.

Shout out to Chicago while we're at it.

The 10th Rider4012d ago

Funny how lots of people claim remasters are okay because they're 'just an option' but when a company does backwards compatibility they're aligning their console with the past.

REDDURT4012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

It's a step backwards after about 3 years in .It is nice but it didn't warrant a purchase imo ps4 showed us a future and Xbox is trying to recapture it's past.

raWfodog4012d ago

IMO, the only thing I will argue about remasters is that they do add HD-fidelity to older games that would (do) look crappy on my HDTV. They also typically add more content in order to justify a 're-buy'. But I don't think BC is a bad idea either. They're all just additional options to re-experiencing past classics. Good deals for everyone.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio42d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing42d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9242d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit42d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing42d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9242d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay44d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn244d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn244d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown44d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay44d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay44d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac43d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger44d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300044d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde44d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde44d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7545d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_43d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.