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Microsoft’s new rendering research could bring better visuals to Xbox One

During Microsoft’s initial Xbox One reveal and subsequent E3 demonstrations, it mentioned a capability that we haven’t heard much about since. According to the company, the Xbox One could theoretically be paired with offsite cloud rendering platforms at some point in the future to deliver a superior game experience to anything the console could handle on its own. Since then, Redmond has been silent on what form the technology might take or if we’d ever see a version of it in the wild — until now. A new paper, published in collaboration with Duke University and the University of Washington details a joint rendering system, dubbed Kahawai, that pairs a client and server GPU together for simultaneous rendering.

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SeanScythe4012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

The magic word of the day here is "Could". I "Could be a millionaire, but I never will unless I win the lottery. With the power of the Could err I meant Cloud.

freshslicepizza4012d ago

i tend to agree. right now it seems like on average games are 1080p 30 frames on the ps4 and 900p on the xbox one. that's the gap most of the time. microsoft can say all they want but that is what the hardware shows and this is how consumers see it. no point in comparing exclusives as that doesn't really represent the differences in hardware.

PlayableGamez4012d ago

I really don't get your analogy on the word could. You make it seem like the word could is just wishful thinking. Also, there are many other ways of becoming a millionaire than just trying to win the lottery.

Besides, we already know the Xbox One is going to have better graphics. It's just a matter of when and by how much. And for some reason, you Playstation guys are really nervous about the Xbox One having more graphical improvements over time, even though nobody is saying that the Xbox One is going to have better graphics than the PS4.

SeanScythe4012d ago

MS has been throwing the Cloud card since it launched. They said games couldn't have been made without the power of the cloud. Even though Sony has made more games with better graphics.

Italiano12345674011d ago

No matter what xbox does and says it doesn't matter. It still has ddr3 ram and is still inferior to the ps4. So unless they make a better xbox with high Speed in it it doesn't matter. They mite be able to optimise games a bit better but that's about it

GenuineGamer4011d ago

So what? Most pc have ddr3 and they destroy the ps4. Why u guys always forget xbox also has esram?? Its faster than gddr5 and is exclusive gpu memory. Ddr3 is better at handling smaller files quicker and that seems smart to me (tiled resources). Xbo may lack in numbers on paper thats easy for everyone to understand but its efficient design in how it can spread its load means it gets more done than alot of you think. The witcher 3 is proof of that. And its just the start. Dx12 games are coming

IamTylerDurden14011d ago

You just contradicted yourself, you said the xbone will have better graphics and then said nobody is saying the xbone will have better graphics. Just like cloud tech made titanfall a gorgeous looking game, remember all the hype about how the cloud would handle shading ect to make TF a game that would surpass anything Sony could do? This is a jk really. It is PR because ms is desperate to make ppl believe the underpowered xbone has "potential" to possibly improve it's bottlenecked performance. Coming up on 2 yrs now and still nothing, only 3 yrs left this gen cmon cloud you can do it. They screwed up by putting in cheap tech (ddr3) & are paying dearly. Why do you think ms dropped kinect? They were desperate to get more power. News flash, the PS4 hasn't even touched it's grfx potential, you saw how mind blowing The Order looked? SSM is working on something that (visually) far surpasses The Order, all the beauty & creativity is on Sony's side - raw power as well.

GenuineGamer4011d ago

@IamTylerDurden1

Titanfall used the cloud for dedicated servers. It has an amazing online system that works great. The cloud is real and just because MS haven't shown us its potential yet doesn't make it a fantasy. And you know ddr3 + eSRAM costs more than gddr5 right? it wasn't the cheap option.

Personally it makes a lot of sense having dedicated memory only the gpu can use. It doesn't hamper the main ram pool. 192gbps eSRAM is a big deal. People are underestimating the benefits of eSRAM in xbox.

People need to wake up and pull their heads out of the sand. With dx12 and the cloud xbox one has massive potential that cant be matched unless competitors implement a similar cloud based technology.

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Azzanation4011d ago (Edited 4011d ago )

You need to learn your words and understand the meanings. Could is possible, but the way you word it, makes it sound impossible. The X1 Could become a more powerful console which means there's a chance so in this case, since your using the word Could, I suggest you wait and see before downplaying what you read.

Also most of these articles aren't written by MS.

Bubiii4012d ago

I agree. Nothing but "could" and just promises from Microsoft in regard to Xbox One from the start.

nicksetzer14012d ago (Edited 4012d ago )

This isn't a statement from MS, neither are most of the articles which are often brought up.

The reality is though cloud rendering is real and MS, Google, nvidia and even amazon are working on the tech. (And have been for years) If you feel more comfortable denying it exists that is fine, but seems pretty pointless. Will they use it with XB1? Who knows. Will it be cost effective? Who knows. Does it exist? Without question

In fact, many statistics firms use cloud power to compare multiple databases with trillions of data points in real-time. This is the same thing MS are doing, just in a way that can affect consumers that doesn't cost million for the end user to implement. Looking forward to seeing this.

Anyone who thinks the "cloud" is an impossibility is a fool, ignorant to the facts. My only question is can MS implement it in a way the consumer can use and at no cost to the consumer. (Or at least minimal cost)

SeanScythe4012d ago

No one said the Cloud doesn't exist, but the thought that your xbone games are going to be so much better is nuts. It's like "Climate Change" no one denies that the Climate changes. That's called seasons, what they deny is the thought that man has anything to do with it and that throwing billions of dollars at it will make a difference.

nicksetzer14011d ago

@sean but you are wrong. The "cloud" does have the ability to improve the capability of the XB1. Which many on here seem to think is not true, yourself included. (based on your statement)

The only question is cost, and that is likely the only reason it still has not been shown in relation to XB1. We have already seen multiple tech demos showing the capability of the cloud. To the point of quadrupling the amount of physics calculations able to be done by a system under load.
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andibandit4011d ago

@SeanScythe

"It's like "Climate Change" no one denies that the Climate changes. That's called seasons"

Climate changes are changes to the climate of a number of years....not really tied to the seasonal weather.

Soc54011d ago

I agree with you, of course the cloud is possible, and in the future it will be inevitable, but most likely it's still a ways off. I'm guessing at least several years. If Microsoft skimped a little on the hardware of this generation, hoping that the cloud would help out I think they mistimed the implementation of it. Thus giving sony a lead by having a slightly more powerful console and at the time of release the ps4 was cheaper, putting sony in a valuable position in the market. Ironically by skimping on the budget of the xbox one they shot themselves in the foot because now they are spending more money recouping market share and investing in research to make the xbox one a bit more powerful than they would have spent using more powerful hardware. If the xbox one had come out more powerful from the get go, this whole cloud talk wouldn't be as necessary since most gamers would be happy with its performance, and not dealing with resolution gate and silly things like that. I'm a non denominational gamer but last gen the 360 was my go to console. This gen due to Microsoft's lets say underwhelming launch I waited and just got a ps4 mainly because it was cheaper and arguably a bit more powerful. The cloud if it were going to be a system selling feature should have been ready a lot sooner if it were to be a selling point for this generation. Next gen I am sure it will be a main feature. But I am not holding my breath for much this gen, at least not until 2017. Of course this is a marathon not a sprint but even so Ms has a lot of ground to recoup.

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WizzroSupreme4012d ago

That'd be sweet if it's true. I know I might be in the minority, but The Witcher 3 looks pretty awesome already on the X1. Any better would be even more awesome.

Rookie_Monster4011d ago

The xbox has tech thay are built for the future and it is slowly showing. Crackdown 3 will be demo how this tech will work at E3.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot18d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle18d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7718d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Star Wars: Bounty Hunter Let Jango Fett Loose

LucasArts gave Jango Fett his own game in 2002, and it pulled Star Wars into a much dirtier, rougher, and more interesting corner of the galaxy.

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Relientk7722d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Xbox has always been different.

We started with a simple idea. Games should bring people together through shared experiences. That led to the first Xbox in 2001, Xbox Live in 2002, and new ways to connect, from friends lists and achievements to parties and play across devices. Today, Xbox reaches over 500 million players around the world, with some of the most important franchises in entertainment.

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Outside_ofthe_Box23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300023d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7223d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit22d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania23d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit22d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0722d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr23d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box23d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr22d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9523d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7223d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--23d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7222d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket23d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm22d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde22d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9222d ago (Edited 22d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_23d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted23d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania23d ago (Edited 23d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit22d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9222d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT23d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers23d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14923d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0722d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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