***"convenience boosts" are still awful and have no place, regardless of how narrow your definition of pay to win is.***

Disagree and people are losing any credibility to this argument if they continue to think this way.

MMOs cost millions a year to maintain. They need to get that money somehow. It's not through subs since gamers hate paying for things. So, they sell convenience items that are not at all necessary... and now it's awful? Has no place? You do realize that other people are essentially paying for the cost of a game so you can play it, right?

@Kingdomcome247 Perhaps you're right but I think they should offer more suitable subscription plans for those who don't have a lot of time to play.

@Nio-Nai This might sound shocking to you but some people play video games to have fun not to be the best and all that.

And I don't know about what MMO are you talking about but Raids on FFXIV wont take you more than 45 mins at least you got really bad people in one of the 3 teams, if you go with your own team you could easily complete them under 30 mins.

Also one thing that I love about FFXIV is that everything is simple and clear, there aren't secret tricks that only experienced players know and stuffs like that, it doesn't matter how slow your pace is, eventually you will reach the top. Another thing is that the game was made to hold you back and playing for months, there are quests that will take you a minimum of 3 months (mount quests) to complete, it doesn't matter how fast you complete them, the system will only assign you a number of quests per day and the same goes for the Allagan Tomestones, you use them to purchase the best PVE gear and there's a limit that you can get per week so it will take everyone in the game a minimum of 1 and a half months to purchase all the gear.

@Th4Freak

Good luck trying to complete turn 5, 10-13. It's pretty much impossible to do even turn 5 in ff14 with a PUG, you need a dedicated group.

As for secret tricks, yes there are. Playing the market is one of those nice little tricks, same thing for crafting. As well as actual dungeon and raid content quick completion.

And yes it does matter how slow you are, you won't be getting top tier raid gear if you are a slow player.

And anyone who is a good player would know the advantage to creating multiple characters is to get the tomestones at a faster rate just for the specific class on that character instead of just focusing one character at a time, you simply only focus on those that you need the specific cross class skills for.

@Nio-Nai I already completed those, several times actually... You can get them in less than 35 mins in a PUB and less than 20 with an arranged team.

As for the secrets i'd appreciate you to be more specific because there's no such a dungeon and crafting secrets tricks, not to count that anyone in the game can tell you how to make money out of the market, thing that so far is useless at least you want to buy a property which again is useless.

"And yes it does matter how slow you are, you won't be getting top tier raid gear if you are a slow player. "

Its not like you will eventually get the drop you need...

"And anyone who is a good player would know the advantage to creating multiple characters is to get the tomestones at a faster rate just for the specific class on that character instead of just focusing one character at a time, you simply only focus on those that you need the specific cross class skills for."

Well that would make a bit of sense if it wasn't for the fact that by the time you're getting tomestones the gear that you get in raids is better than the one that you can buy with tomestones, I mean I even have entire iLvl 120+ sets for classes that I don't even play, reason why most "good" players don't make several characters for something as dumb as collecting Allagan Tomestones....

Lastly again you seem to be missing the point here, as I said before video games are meant to have fun not to live an imaginary life. If I give a thing about raids or end game content and i'm having fun doing my own stuff why should I stop playing the game? Where does it says that I have to be the best and have the best gear and all that in order to play a mmo? I mean thats just ridiculous.