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Amazon Primed to take on gaming?

"Over the past year or two Amazon have been making moves. Skulking in the shadows, acquiring development studios like Double Helix (Killer Instinct, Silent Hill: Homecoming), key industry talent like Kim Swift..."

Asa from GameOnDaily thinks Amazon is going to make massive moves in the gaming industry.

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JoeMcCallister4056d ago

Interesting opinions - I'd like to see Amazon strike out to see what the waters hold for something of a more bite-sized experience. I think that in the next console gen we'll see smaller boxes and more of that streaming model come into play so the big guns like MS and Sony don't have to worry about their hardware being outdated on day one. Amazon is in a really good position to be another player in the space, and although I don't need another box on the media center taking up yet another HDMI input, they've got some good talent, not only in Double Helix but with Garnett Lee in their games division they at least recognize the people with the passion for quality games and new ideas.

Next few years could be really interesting if they bring something solid out.

uth114056d ago

Not sure if consoles will get smaller. If we want powerful consoles, they will need to be bigger to accommodate fans and heatsinks.

Jdoki4056d ago

Not really.

We're past the days where every generation of PC component required fatter PSU's and cooling. And modern consoles are basically tweaked PC's.

Look at the latest Maxwell GPU's from Nvidia. More powerful graphics output AND lower power draw. And I believe their 'Pascal' next gen chips are supposed to be 10x the horsepower, and have similar power draw.

Same with CPU's. There's loads of choice with different power requirements now.

You only have to look at the original PS3 compared to the PS4 to see that increased power does not equal increased box size and cooling requirements.

uth114056d ago

Every time I upgrade my PC cpu. it has a bigger heatsink and larger fan than the previous one. Video cards used to have one fan and fit into a single slot, now most video cards require two slots width and three fans.

People complain that Sony and MS used "Mobile" CPUs rather than something more powerful. That's because they have reduced power and heat requirements. And Xbox has that larger much criticized design to deal with heat and prevent another RROD situation.

Typically the newest chips are always hot and power hungry. Then they get another revision to reduce power and heat so they can be used in laptops. (or game consoles)

If this improves it will because DX12 will finally lets PC components reach their potential and not require another round of upgrades for awhile for the latest games.

Jdoki4056d ago

What?

Below are recommended PSU requirements for the last few Nvidia chips... Notice a general trend!?

GTX 580 = 600W
GTX 680 = 550W
GTX 780 = 575W
GTX 980 = 520W

Source: http://www.realhardtechx.co...

TDP of a couple of Nvidia GPU's
GTX 580 = upto 330W (limited to 240W)
GTX 680 = 195W
GTX 780 = 250W
GTX 980 = 165W

Source: http://www.geeks3d.com/2009...

Compare the last few Intel chips TDP...

Core i7
3GHz Lynnfield = 95W
3GHz Bloomfield = 130W
3.2GHz Sandybridge = 95W
3.5GHz IvyBridge = 77W
4GHz Haswell = 88W

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Factor in the increase in cores between the older chips and how much extra processing power they are pushing for the same speed, and the power consumption is hugely impressive.

And these sets of figures are all desktop chips, and not the lower power or mobile. Mobile components are even more impressive with their numbers.

So I have no idea why you're buying a bigger heatsink and fan every upgrade, when a tiny bit of research shows that at worst power draw on CPU's is the same, or better. And for GPU's it is significantly less power draw for significantly more horsepower (except for the 7 series).

The only reason I ever change heatsink these days is when the mountings on the mobo are not compatible.

Enthusiast single slot cards were still on sale a year ago - last one I remember was the Nvidia 750, I'm sure manufacturers could create single slot, but I don't think there's much demand. People want more ports on their cards, and rarely fill all their PCIe slots.

uth114056d ago

So they fluctuate a little over the last few iterations, but I've been doing this for two decades and the long-term trend has always been more power, more fans, bigger heat sinks. 300W power supplies and less used to be sufficient.

I'm not purposely buying larger heatsinks, these are the stock ones that come with the CPUs.

Anyway my point still stands, even if they have shrunk a bit, the heat sinks are still much too large to produce anything resembling a micro-console with x86-based hardware. They have to sacrifice power to reduce the size.

Jdoki4056d ago

Sure if you want to go back 20years to 1995, then yeah. PC's used smaller PSU's - but at that time there was barely any requirement for high power GPU's etc. The most complex 3D game I saw in 94/95was Flight Unlimited - and my buddy who had a top end PC (Pentium P75 iirc) could barely chug along playing it. 3DFX was only 1 year old in 1995 and their cards cost a fortune. It's not an apples to apples comparison as 'gaming PC' was unheard of 20 years ago, screen resolutions were tiny compared to 1440p and 4k, and the GPU / CPU arms didn't really start until about 2000 with the launch of Nvidia GeForce and ATI Rage cards.

The Sega Saturn could easily outperform the vast majority of PC's in 94 / 95. And it wasn't until Quake launched in 1996 that people started to think of PC's as serious 3D capable gaming devices. It wasn't until at least 2000 that there's was much choice in GPU's and CPU's at all.

So yeah, if you want to go back that far then we've seen huge increase in power demand - which was driven by increased resolution and more demanding games.

The tech available at the time meant more performance = more power = more heat. But that thinking and trend has peaked. As I have shown, they are actively reducing those requirements with almost every new chipset. If you reduce power demand while improving performance that's a huge net gain.

My i7 4770K and Strix 980 GPU use less power than my Core 920 and GTX670 - and yet performance has increased dramatically. The Nvidia Pascal chips promise almost 10x performance increase over Maxwell, and yet (apparently) will have similar or lower power draw.

And in the mobile space this change has been even more aggressive - which will directly benefit consoles.

We won't be seeing top end components in consoles in future - that's for sure. But it has far more to do with cost than heat / power consumption.

So I'm guessing you either haven't built a PC in the last 5-7 years, or you're ignoring the evidence and industry trend. You can't use a measure from 15-20 years ago to back up the argument - the entire industry has shifted to more performance for less power draw.

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MCTJim4056d ago

I'm more inclined to think they are going into android based streaming services for games than venture out in the console market. Something along their fire tv expansion plug in device just for video game streaming.

Gazondaily4056d ago

Yeah that sounds really feasible and the smart thing to do as well.

It would be super successful as well I imagine if it had a decent third party support (and not for basic android games).

Amazon are in a position to pull that off.

Jdoki4056d ago

Yeah, I believe their new Amazon Fire Stick TV thing already has a few games pre-loaded.

uth114056d ago

maybe they'll prove the rumors true and buy the Xbox division? ;)

ScorpiusX4056d ago

So xbox live can cost us a 100 dollars a year ..I rather they sell goods and leave gaming to the big 3

Thefreeman0124056d ago

The more competition the better but I doubt they will ever get a foothold

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