Not only minecraft but games like The Last of Us really benefited from beign on YouTube. Like everyone is saying it's common sense that it's all free advertisement. We live in an Era where social media is important because that's how people get to know a lot of things. If you're not taking advantage of it you're shooting yourself in the foot.

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killer is nailling it directly on the head, as always.

Thorstein,

I trust Joes opinion a lot more than some greedy corporation. To me that's the definition of the best kind of power.

Nintendo is just trying to bully profits out of people that can't afford a dozen high price lawyers on staff like Nintendo can. We need a video website that will stand up for people using content under fair use.

It's funny that on one side you have companies like MS and Sony that want you to share EVERYTHING, Screens, Videos, Recorded Gameplay, Live gameplay, Tweet about it, facebook it, tools for you to do montages of those videos of not only their first party games but EVERY GAME. Sony even added a button to it's controller just for that and a share play option where you can actually play games your friends have that you don't.

On the other side Nintendo wants you to pay to be allowed to share about games you already bought.

@thorstein: Joe absolutely holds power. He is the biggest reviewer on youtube right now and what he says does in fact carry weight. You think companies are going to ignore someone who has the attention of 2 million people?

You're forgetting something. Joe is big, and if he says he's gonna stop doing Nintendo videos in any way, then yeah people can go to other channels but what will also happen is that other channels will follow suit. Nintendo's partnership program is pathetic and unsustainable. No one with a brain and the ability to do basic math will sign up or even stay with that program for long when they have to cut their own ad revenue so much just for the privilege to not be able to have Super Smash Bros. videos on their channel.

@Antz,

Never said I didn't trust his opinion.

I am saying that number of followers doesn't mean he has the power to make a dent in what Nintendo does.

There is a huge difference. And if this gen has proven anything to us, it is a very simple lesson:

Players don't care what critics say.

They will care if they are shown a game that looks fun and may want to play it. In that way Joe loses out on viewership (no matter what the deal is.)

Remember, I am not defending Nintendo's actions, I am just stating that Joe's opinion isn't as powerful as he thinks it is.

Nintendo hasn't changed since their old repressive NES days; and that will kill them as a company in the end.

Completely agree. Nintendo needs a #NintendoreDirect. The same people responsible for getting Nintendo where they are are the same people driving them to the ground with their old mentality. Nintendo needs to change badly.

@thorstein

"...youtube subscribers don't care if Nintendo is getting a share or if the youtuber is getting a share, they just want to watch videos of a game they are interested in."

You're not counting all the people who go to Youtube for the Youtuber, not just the game they're playing. AngryJoe may not be on Pewdiepie's level, but he's still a heavy-hitter.

I find it silly, the notion that the Youtuber will become irrelevant, not the other way around. Although that holds true outside Youtube, as well as for a small/faceless channel (and for an audience that just wants to see the game), just how much does that audience compare to the audience who watches AngryJoe for AngryJoe? Or TotalBiscuit for TotalBiscuit? Pewdiepie for Pewdiepie?

That is A LOT of people Nintendo are choosing to not let their games be advertised to on Youtube, all because they don't understand how it works like other companies do, so they see it as a problem, not a profit. That's their mistake.

When one Youtuber, by themselves, can have a channel with 35 times the amount of subscriptions than a massive company, AND said-company was on Youtube for 5 YEARS LONGER, that should tell you what people are more interested in between the two on that website.

When people are showing more interest in a gameplay video from a content creator instead of just a vanilla video, that should tell you something about that website. Between the two kinds of audiences, I'd put my money on the content creators, not just the games they're playing. I could be wrong, but one just seems to be more popular than the other.

@thorstein

"Players don't care what critics say.

They will care if they are shown a game that looks fun and may want to play it."

I very much agree with that statement, but where will they be shown a game that looks fun? Not on Youtube or Twitch without paying Nintendo money, that's the entire point of this conversation, Nintendo is losing potential consumers with this attitude.

Yah because the 3DS is such an irrelevant system NO one owns one of those lol. Lets forget that their stock value skyrocketed when the DeNa partership was announced, yup their business decision are totally making them irrelevant LOL. Don't confuse their inability to make good home consoles with being bad at business. One part of the business=/= the entire business,because then you could say sony is good at business because the PS4. except Sony is generally awful at making business decisions and one or two strong divisions aren't going to change their image and junk stocks. Don't forget amiibos are selling out everywhere too, Totally irrelevant though right bud.

@silent stop saying its fair use, we both know its not. Salty joe here also admits its not lol.

I'm shocked by the amount of people so mad about Nintendo wanting a cut from people using their millions of dollars worth of investment and hard work.

Also this clown complains about having to buy controllers for a multiplayer game!? what PS and XBOX games let you play local multiplayer with only one controller? He thinks Nintendo owes him for buying their product? who does he think he is, i don't remember Nintendo asking him to advertise yet he acts so entitled.

He thinks people who buy Nintendo products are "somthing i won't say" because we don't care that he can't make more money leeching off Nintendo LOL!!

He also flat out defended the fact that EA is paying youtubers to lie and act like they like thier awful games LOL!!! what a tool.

I havent talked about nintendo ina looooong time and it's eerie, I mean Im not even having the good ol fashion fanboy wars about nintnedo like the early 2000's. Nintendo is gone :(

If only there were like Sony but stayed nintendo. They just need to change.... Why am I and millions or others not a fan of nintendo anymore if something wasnt right?

Nail on the head.

@big_game

You just like Nintendo do not understand how things work now. Just like joe said it's free advertising. People dont just read reviews anymore. People watch gameplay, watch streams, listen to you tubers to make their buying decisions. He said they were within their rights because they own the IP's, but they didnt take the time out to make the video, joe did. If you think he built his fan base on Nintendo then you haven't watched his videos. People subscribe to angry joe for him regardless of nintendo, i dont even know if there's a nintendo chanel i can subscribe to.

Sadly, Nintendo became irrelevant with the N64 when they refused to move from carts.

Minecraft is an example of videogames and YouTube working well together, but think, not ALL videogames will it prove quite as successful. Besides, some of us (myself included) don't want Nintendo to go down that path.

@PeaSFor

No Killer did not hit the nail on the head at all if anything he embarrassed himself by looking like a utter fool with his stupid antics. Had he CALMLY and rationally pointed out where he disagreed I might have listened to why he thought Angryjoe was wrong; instead I turned off the video after 30 seconds.

"Still, he comes off as being more than a bit entitled."

He is doing FREE promotion for Nintendo, It's the best kind of exposure. Especially if you have a big audience.

AJ isn't entitled, he is merely expressing how Nintendo is not taking advantage of it. Sony does it. MS does it. Going against the current isn't always brave. It sometimes just profoundly stupid.

"ut he still isn't entirely in the right."

He also said that Nintendo should do whatever they want, it's their prerogative. It's also stupid because they don't have to.

@ChickeyCantor:
Like I said: the way Joe phrased it, he bought a WiiU and games specifically for his channel rather than just for his personal use. That for him it wasn't free promotion, but an expense he expected to be rewarded for if only by people watching his channel. Which I believe is something he gets paid for.

Angry Joe does get paid for it. So what? In any other industry the products company itself would have to pay for this kind of advertising and exposure.

You see, what is so frustrating about this situation is that Nintendo is not even benefitting their own interests. This is bad for all parties involved; it is bad for gamers, for youtubers, and for Nintendo themselves. It *should* be such a no brainer, Nintendo gets FREE advertising and generated revenue. The youtubers still get compensated for advertising, but the compensation comes from other adverts, and not from Nintendos wallet, so they still have incentive to advertise for Nintendo, or whoever. The gamers benefit because they can watch their favorite personalities play new games and make an informed decision when deciding whether to buy the game for themselves or not. It is one of the most sensible, benign symbiotic business models that could exist.

Nintendo is taking what should be a simple win-win situation and turning it into a lose-lose situation, because they are out of touch and greedy.

If you have a good point or idea, it can be ruined by how it's presented.

Angry Joe does this in LITERALLY every video.

"That for him it wasn't free promotion, but an expense he expected to be rewarded for "

I don't believe he thinks he should be awarded for it. What he was saying is that he already payed Nintendo, how much more do they want?

He was already agreeing to their whole revenue cut. Now his video was taken down. It's not so much about being awarded as it's just Nintendo being completely dumb about this. Completely obliterating anything good that comes from streamers in regards to their marketing tactics.

@ChickeyCantor:
"I don't believe he thinks he should be awarded for it."

Then he shouldn't be talking about buying a WiiU and games for as if he were doing Nintendo a favor.

@xander70769:
A good portion of the point is that he gets paid for it. That he bought a WiiU, that according to you he even bought into Nintendo's BS sponsorship program knowing full well by my understanding of it that its rules are still arbitrary, and somehow now not only feels that he has a right to complain, but denounce anyone who doesn't agree with him. And its that last part that gets me the most.

Yes: Nintendo is totally wrong in how they're handling streaming and playthroughs of their games, but Joe's not looking any better for agreeing to those stupid policies then complaining for being caught up in them. Then saying what amounts to "F-U" to anyone who doesn't want to agree, console him or join him in some hug box of self entitlement on top of that.

And that is where he goes really wrong.

"Then he shouldn't be talking about buying a WiiU and games for as if he were doing Nintendo a favor. "

He could be doing them a favor if they actually let streamers do whatever.

And you clearly missed my point on this. Him saying he bought a WiiU is not the same as saying "REWARD ME". He was simply saying that he was supporting Nintendo by buying these things and now Nintendo won't even let him have his video even though [he already agreed to share the revenue].

He isn't being entitled in the slightest, he is just frustrated that Nintendo enforces these dumb policies that shits on everyone.

@Concertoine Iwata can get fired from the board of directors. Nintendo is a publicly traded company therefore the shareholders make the final decisions. Iwata has been entrusted with the leadership but they could get rid of him at the drop of a haT if the company isn't turning a profit.

@jmac

Nintendo hasnt turned a yearly profit since 2011 i believe. This year looks to break that trend. Like i said, theyre reluctant to let him go for a couple reasons, enough to circumvent the fact that not only are they losing money for the first time since they entered the industry, but they've been losing it for going on 3 years.

"The nostalgia will aid them as it always has, but that fanbase will only grow older as the new generations"

That is the problem there.

They can't keep just living off of that as gamers grow and they are not really doing their fans any favors by being left behind by normal gaming evolution.

Online play, DLC, new ips etc seem to be something Nintendo has no damn clue about.

They are always late to this and when they attempt it, its not really good or they have no clue about how to deliver it.

They need to be aware that Sony and MS are competition. Move, Morpheus, Kinect are things that will hurt them in the future as they are likely hurting them now.

Nintendo is no longer the only publisher that makes new concepts, they are not slowly becoming the one that keeps repeating the same dated ones over and over and over.

Now....lots of indie developers are out to be that new concept developer, games like Shovel Knight, games like Limbo, Braid, Transistor, Ori, No Man Sky, you name it and those new concepts are out to find new gamers and out to seek that creative attitude that Nintendo USED to have.

I've seen lately over the past couple gens, seen more rehashes by Nintendo then almost any publisher to date.

The new Ips they do create, they barely even fully support. Pikmin....3 games over the past 12 YEARS! Luigi's Mansion.......2 games over the course of 11 years.

Soooo this is there idea of supporting new ips huh?

easy example, God Of War....6 titles over the course of 10 years....if not less!

I'm not saying don't make Mario, or Zelda, merely support those new ips as much as they support there older IPs.

Nintendo's issue is they don't fully get they need new blood buying their systems JUST as much as old blood.

God Of War didn't stop the GT series, Sly series etc.

Why is Pikmin getting 3 titles in 13 years? Luigi's Mansion getting 2 in like 11? That is a bit nuts.

They are behind on business practices and its clear Sony and MS have a huge 1up (no pun intended...really) on Nintendo when it comes to business.

Nintendo know how to make great games as a publisher, but they are pretty slow when it comes to business.

Anyone wondering why Sony bought more teams then Nintendo despite Nintendo making more money then Sony last gen?

If you own a Wii U....I feel you should be asking Nintendo some questions regarding there management, the Wii U should not be at where its at right now, I feel the higher ups have misused the money made from the Wii as there is no reason why Wii U should be having huge long droughts.

They have the money to avoid it....yet the don't.

And don't forget their "No charger on our new hardware BS"
It's like a middle finger to new customer like me.
I loved your Wii U but that business move and this one is ridiculous and greedy as fuck.