April fools day is once a year, yet you are here saying the same thing everyday.... Yet again, copy and pasting ancient links, ignoring anything new that is positive.... Yet you will get agrees from the walking horde....

@game

Funny how Phil only spoke out about Brad's claims that MS was lying about DX12 on XB1, yet has not denied anything else Brad has said before. Why? Phil can't talk about everything because of NDA agreements. Ironically, Phil's only rebuttal was that performance gains depend how you code. What does this mean? The first DX12 games are new "icing" on an old DX11 "cake" and still taste like old cake that looks better. GCN based DX12 needs a new "cake" to be baked first which takes time, but will yield better results.

In managing expectations, Phil knows games like Halo 5 and Forza 6 are "old cake" and will show modest gains. In keeping the NDA agrreement, however, he can't say what GCN will do for the console either, hence the ambiguity in his statements and inability to confirm what Brad's been saying all along.

If Phil was so quick to point out one of Wardell's claims as false, why is he not speaking out against any of Wardell's other claims? Because Wardell is not lying either.

@game,

Seriously bro, get a LIFE. This is an article for X1 owners. It's not in the front page of N4G, you literally had to take your slimy troll fingers and click on to the X1 section so you could spam another X1 article. It's not your job to manage X1 gamers expectations.

Seriously, the X1 is in the midst of a transformation, and it is fun to own one. I'm glad the ps4 is more powerful, look how it's benefitting us in the long run with MS catering to us. Plus, we all had to accept that ps4 was graphically more powerful. But now the ps4 guys are still spouting the same old rhetoric, "but the E3 reveal" and "blah blah blah secret sauce" and "I know everything about DX12". Just bashing X1 owners for reading articles about the machine they bought and has nothing to do with ps4, stop holding on to the past.

@Commentator.

LOL. You think Spencer is under NDA to not discuss DX12? Lol. Are you serious?

At the same time, you think Brad Wardel is not under NDA and goes off saying w/e he wants about DX12, but Spencer has NDA and cant talk about it?

LOL. THat is the saddest excuse I've heard.

Spencer does talk about DX12. He said it wont be dramatic. and will improve GPU performance on PC ONLY. Yup. Clarified it was PC only.

Awful alot of detail for guy who apparently has NDA.

So if Brad is working on DX12 and should have NDA, how can he talk about it? LOL. and guy never made a single console game. Yea. Witcher still cant do full HD on X1.

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@Bdub2000
"big fan Phil Can you shed any light about brad wardell saying the people are lying about the power of DX12 on XB1. Down playing it??"

That was tweet he was replying to. You do realize MS was CONFIRMING it won't be "dramatic".

Brad Wardell said MS is lying about DX12 on XB1(about Spencer saying it wont be dramatic).Spencer said he wasnt lying about how not "dramatic" it was.

LOL. Really sad.

@ game
How you troll shows what you know. You take everything out of context and spin it. If you knew what was going on with DX12 by reading about it you would understand my post.

The NDA is hardware driven, not software driven, since it's based off of GCN as referenced in AMD's GDC presentation with "to be announced" features. Phil corrected Brad by saying DX12 performance gains were dependent on how you code. He no longer says it won't be massive. Brad also never talks specifically about hardware functions designed for DX12, only API level stuff, so he's not in breach of the NDA. It's all part of managing expectations; I.E. controlling the flow of information.

If Phil were to run his mouth, like you, he would look like an idiot. When 1st gen DX12 games come out and don't show the gains that hardware accelerated games will next year, they won't be massively improved. MS teamed up with AMD, however, and spent their money on DX12 hardware in XB1 as research into a cohesive ststem architecture that will eventually replace the architecture of the standard PC, starting with GCN. Until GCN GPU's hit the market the capabilities of XB1 are under NDA. Why fundamentally change how a PC functions? When die sizes reach their limits, efficiency is the only way to improve performance. Efficiency over horsepower through HSA.

I work with DX12 and I had to sign an NDA. It's pretty standard boilerplate stuff. Brad Wardell skirts around it by talking about things that have been shown outside of NDA, but he only ever talks about things which have been mentioned by MS...such as opening up processor cores to the GPU, and ESRAM. Because of this, he is not breaking NDA. He also talks about his own implementation of things with DX12, but never specifics on what within DX12 made it possible.

Otherwise, i wouldn't say that there is any specific clauses in the NDA that prevent people from talking about certain features, just a general, "Keep it quiet" thing.

Also, the NDA is most definitely software driven, given that DX12 is software. Particulars on hardware will be given out based on who is working with a specific hardware. It's hard to talk about the hardware gains of DX12 without discussing the software, so unless you're an Xbox dev there is no reason to sign specific NDA's on it.

I didn't have to sign anything regarding the X1 because we don't work with that.

As far as why Phil isn't discrediting the things Brad talks about...well it's probably because he's already addressed it. It's not like Wardell says a lot of new things, just his new experiences with it. I think Phil has other things to do than to confirm or deny Wardells comments...which tend to be numerous.

The denial in here is god awful..

@gangsta_red

Lol good first response to the xbox devs saying it won't do much.

"Forza Motorsport 5 Tech Demo – console-level efficiency on PC

Forza Motorsport 5 is an example of a game that pushes the Xbox One to the limit with its fast-paced photorealistic racing experience. Under the hood, Forza achieves this by using the efficient low-level APIs already available on Xbox One today. Traditionally this level of efficiency was only available on console – now, Direct3D 12, even in an alpha state, brings this efficiency to PC and Phone as well. By porting their Xbox One Direct3D 11.X core rendering engine to use Direct3D 12 on PC, Turn 10 was able to bring that console-level efficiency to their PC tech demo." - Microsoft

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dir...

Can't for e3 so Microsoft can show of what xbox already has?

360 will be further optimized but nothing night and day.

Even ps4 is already using techniques according to amd that is gcn multi-threading.

Dumbies.

If u want to be wowed get a pc or be happy with xbox. The hardware is not getting any better ot younger.

Amd and nvidia cards will be working together on pc.

Amds hmb card w/ 8Gb comming thos year.
Amd & Nvidia hbm2 cards coming next year with up to 8+ GB vRam.

Plus dx12/Vulkan.

Why the fake is an old apu exciting to talk about.

All this because of bradwell.

A pc dev not making any xbox games currently.

Well, admittedly it is a niche genre. But I have Titanfall on my PC, so I wouldn't really count that as an exclusive...

As for racing/shooter with obligatory 60FPS, that's really not the case. The sensation of speed can be rendered in 30FPS as well if the developer knows what it's doing (Motorstorm is a good example).

60fps should be the standard, no exceptions you say?

Forza Horizon and the PGR series were excellent games, both of which I like more than Forza 5 (yes I have it and play it regularly XBL- BoodyBandit), and they ran at 30fps.

Horizon 2 will probably be announced at E3. I hope for your sake it's not 30fps yet again. I don't think you will find many people that love racing games that didn't think Forza Horizon was exceptional. Than again anything a trolls says should be taken with a truck load of salt.

Glad you're enjoying TitanFall. I played it on and off for 2 weeks than sent it back to GameFly. The first couple days I had a blast but than my enthusiasm fell off a cliff. I just couldn't get into it. Most people I know that bought it all feel the same way. Good thing I rented it.

@truefan1

TLOU, UC, GOW, And all the numerous studios says hi. Another game skipping X1

Its funny cuz the MS fanboys claim the PS4 has to games, yet its the X1 that is always not getting the game. Its the trend. Just more proof of their obliviousness.

@lukas

Motorstorm had 30FPS and it felt just fine.

I had that sense of speed playing pgr, that was a fantastic game. Today is the first time I'd heard it was only 30fps. I suppose it's all down to the developers and how well they can interpret that sense of speed using experience.

Its different.. They use a blur effect or whatever else..

Open wheel racing on forza is the best sense of speed I've seen in any game.. Part of it is the responsiveness etc

Just my opinion