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The Argument Over Whether A Bloodborne Exploit Is Cheating

Bloodborne is a difficult game, no doubt. If look closely, though, there are ways to make it easier. Boss exploits—aka cheesing—are the stuff of legend in Souls games, but is that cheating?

SP4CE_C4PT4IN4115d ago

Cool that there are different ways of beating bosses.
I won't be doing that though.

XBLSkull4115d ago

I don't mind it, my first gripe with the game is the second boss battle. I have to load in from dying, then spend 3 minutes running back over to fight the guy. There is about 20 guys between me and that point, but you're stoned if you think I would fight those guys all just to get to the boss battle and die again anyways. It doesn't make the game challenging, it's a waste of my time. It is poor game design pure and simple. I should be able to just keep trying to fight the boss, that is all I am doing, and the game is wasting 4 minutes of my time to get to that point. It's the kind of stuff that makes me want to not even continue. I wasted 90 minutes yesterday trying to kill the boss a dozen times with no luck. Could have tried 3x more in the same time if it just reloaded the battle. So i say exploit at will.

Utalkin2me4115d ago

Ummm, thats the whole point of it. Thats one of the things that makes the game more difficult. Just think how much easier it would be if it loaded you at the boss battle. Maybe the game isnt for you, some people don't like challenging games.

Seems all games are watered down anymore, make it very easy. I for one think we should have alot more games like this and ninja gaiden etc.

N4Flamers4115d ago

Thats precisely the point this game is trying to teach you. If you don't like what happens when you die then you need to find a strategy that works. You have to improve because what you're doing is not working. Look up some strategy vids or farm a little and level up. That should help.

joab7774115d ago

I'm gonna post my opinion again. It's brilliant game design that I appreciate (load times aside).

In DS, I remember getting hit by a guy as soon as I stepped through the fog. But this is why.

You don't lose everything. From treats knowledge and experience as a commodity. Yes, Father G. is hard. I died 3 or 4 x I think. Bit each time, I used the time to again hone my skills for later. By the 4th time, I was entering with 20 vials etc.

Also, don't use the music box, and for the beast, use molotovs. And, use the time to perfect your parry shot.

Tex1174115d ago

Like what others have said, it is a brilliant game design decision in what it is trying to accomplish.

It is trying to frustrate you. Thats part of it. Also, it wants you to think about what death will mean. Think about how you will do something different next time. And also, compared to some other games FromSoftware...a minute or two run back to the boss is nothing. Some levels in Demon's you had to do the whole thing again.

When you are frustrated and careless, the game has you where it wants you. You will die.

M

N84115d ago

Xb1 your complaint is what I like about the game. I think its because I grew up without save points and checkpoints. My biggest interest in this game was because it was so challenging, I love it.

KwietStorm_BLM4115d ago

You must have started gaming after automatic checkpoints and regenerative health were already standard. Man up.

goldwyncq4115d ago

20 guys? You do know that there's a shortcut, right?

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MRMagoo1234115d ago

I wouldn't say it was cheating but you couldn't be proud of yourself using a bug to beat a boss imo. Especially with games like this where the difficulty is the challenge and making it too easy defeats the point.

DLConspiracy4115d ago

The very first supposed exploit was the two werewolves on the bridge who couldn't quite fit through the doorway so you could hit them. FromSoftware was aware of that and encouraged it.

If people want more challenge then do it with one arm tied behind your back while getting water boarded. How far can you go? Blindfolded while being punched in the face? I kid of course but.. jeesh.

ThunderPulse4115d ago

I used the axe long range form to get me through the 1st two bosses but after I learned the mechanics I stopped using exploits.

himdeel4115d ago (Edited 4115d ago )

I tried to kite and kill the big guy with the axe in the start of the game. I was floored because he followed me all the way to the 1st Yharnam lantern spot after the hospital. I killed the little guys along the way but I was amazed he followed me that far.

Souls games have always encouraged this stuff within reason.

VJGenova4115d ago

This is the equivalent to "vanish, doom/x-zone" in Final Fantasy 6. I wouldn't use it myself but father g is no where near the hardest enemy in this game, so of you can't beat him without this, good luck to you.

Kal-V34115d ago

After about 40+ attempts , I was able to FINALLY beat Father Gascoigne when one of his attack animations in his beast form ramped him slightly up a tree instead of rushing towards me. This gave me the 2 seconds to compose myself, regain stamina and rub my kirkhammer all over his face until the last 6th of his life was gone. I'm not exactly crying over spilled milk. That's a victory in my book.

FullmetalRoyale4115d ago

If he were to have gotten his blade stuck in that tree, would I not take advantage? That's what I asked myself when I read your post. I stumbled across him by accident, he beat me, I trained, beat him on the third attempt(I don't use items that cause damage). When I read your post I thought "damn right that's a victory." If that mother was stupid enough to make a mistake, kill him.
I know you can get into the debate of glitches, or it being a.i. but I look at it like 'he' made a mistake.

KwietStorm_BLM4115d ago

Damm 40 tries? Do you know about the counter shot mechanic?

Kal-V34113d ago (Edited 4113d ago )

I know how to play and am pretty decent at it. I would just panic and his second form would just be too fast for me. I would get nervous once his second form appeared and would try to run away at times then just get annihilated. Just wasn't used to the speed.
Everything else has been pretty easy to med difficulty.
Cleric Beast i beat on the first try, for example.
Also, this is my first time really playing a "Souls" game.

himdeel4115d ago

Ive heard so many different stories about how people overcame a boss. All of the stories are pretty bad ass.

I killed the father first and have yet to get back to the cleric beast. Took me two tries to kill the father but my heart was breating hard the entire fight. I outlasted him and put Molotovs on him in his second form.

Im having a lot of fun just exploring.

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Sony Pictures Produces Animated Film of Bloodborne Game

Sony Pictures announced at CinemaCon on Monday that it is producing an animated R-rated film adaptation of FromSoftware's Bloodborne game. PlayStation Productions, Lyrical Animation, and YouTuber jacksepticeye (Seán McLoughlin) are producing the film, with Sony Pictures and Lyrical Animation parent company Lyrical Media co-financing the film.

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Yui_Suzumiya80d ago

Anything but a sequel or remaster I suppose.

CantThinkOfAUsername79d ago

Hopefully this will renew interest in the franchise and Sony can see the potential.

jznrpg79d ago

I’m sure for a sequel they would want to get Miyazaki for it and he’s a busy person, They could do it without him but he wouldn’t be happy with that and I doubt they want to upset him. Hopefully it lines up with his schedule. Who knows they could be working on it now but I won’t get my hopes up until something is announced.

Lionsguard78d ago

At this point, I'm expecting Sony to endorse Yaoi fan-fic before they even entertain the idea of a remaster or sequel or even just a PS5 upgrade.

gerbintosh78d ago

You must have missed the story where FromSoftware stated they do not want to make a sequel or remaster of Bloodborne.

But then again, maybe Sony should force them to remaster the game because people who are forced to do things they dont like always put their best effort in. /s

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-Foxtrot80d ago (Edited 80d ago )

So FromSoftware really went

“F*** no are Bluepoint making a remake”

To

“A YouTuber making an animated film? Of course”

Redgrave79d ago

Say what you will about Jacksepticeye's involvement, but I suppose it comes down to how much creative freedom he has in making it.

Iron Lung, while not exactly in the same conversation as Bloodborne, was a perfectly serviceable and quite well made adaptation made by a YouTuber.

Jack at least understands the fan base and such so if he doesn't experience too much corporate interference or what you may call it, it could turn out pretty good.

MrBaskerville79d ago (Edited 79d ago )

Wasn't it Markiplier that made Iron Lung?

And there's more to filmmaking and storytelling than understanding a fanbase. I want a good movie. Maybe he can do it, maybe he can't, we'll see. But i expect nothing.

Tapani79d ago

What are you on about? Sony owns the IP, not FromSoftware. They have zero say in what is done with Bloodborne.

-Foxtrot79d ago (Edited 79d ago )

No but it’s been said how they apparently didn’t want Bluepoint touching the game and Sony respecting their wishes

Michiel198979d ago

oh the youtuber/streamer hate is back, i knew it before i read the comments.So fucking pathetic, acting like they aren't humans and can't do anything right.

-Foxtrot79d ago

Lmao. Ooooft. Touched a nerve 😂

Michiel198978d ago

not really, its just that the same old tale gets repeated and repeated by a bunch people who have contributed nothing to the gaming industry and just mindlessly hate someone else who is actually trying to do something cool, but it can't be because they're a streamer/youtuber in your twisted mind.

-Foxtrot79d ago

Producing a film still puts you in the driving seat, you are responsible for so many things including picking the director, writer and the entire team to make it.

Making / producing, regardless, it’s still a big role.

gold_drake79d ago

to be fair, hes not making it per se.

and i guess hes a good fit for it, given how big of a fan he is

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Sheffield says "[A new Bloodborne game won't] happen unless From Soft decides they want to do it"

Brandon writes: "I could find you 10 companies that have pitched a bloodborne sequel, spinoff, or remake, including my own. It's just not going to happen unless fromsoft decides they want to do it."

Benjaminkno122d ago

Everyone was criticizing Sony for not pushing for the BB remake. Turns out they gave it the green light. The original still holds up really well

STARS122d ago

Man this just fucking sucks, I respect Miyazaki and Shohida's wishes, but Bluepoint would have been the perfect studio to take on a project like a Bloodborne remake. It's still an absolute masterpiece, but the performance and frame pacing could easily be solved on the current hardware now.

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Bluepoint pitched a Bloodborne remake, but FromSoftware turned it down, not Sony

Just days after Sony decided to close remake masters Bluepoint Games, a new report claims that wasn't PlayStation itself that stonewalled the idea of a Bloodborne remake by Bluepoint, but developer FromSoftware.

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BABY-JEDI124d ago

Sony should have proceeded with Bluepoint remaking Bloodbourne. Or even had the sense to get Bluepoint to make a sequel to Demons Souls. Through the broken Giants gate. It was all thereto build upon.
Idiots

Lexreborn2124d ago

The more information that comes out, it keeps seeming like the studio really was just relying on redoing other people’s work. If they would’ve just had a team working on an original product aside from remaking bloodborne, a god of war game THEY admitted they just couldn’t get off the ground.

They would’ve had more staying power, clearly they were to dependent on being a port and remake company. And last I remember EVERYONE hates Sony for constantly remaking and re-releasing games. Then they also hate Sony for GaaS. But, Sony stops investing in. Both and pivot and they are terrible right?

neutralgamer1992124d ago

And what is wrong with that again this industry is full of remasters and remakes and they were the best at it Sony has so many dormant IPS they could have used

You make it sound like remakes and remasters are a bad thing when the industries full of them Sony themselves have remade The Last of Us just this generation

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Chard123d ago

“You make it sound like remakes and remasters are a bad thing”

They are

“when the industries full of them Sony themselves have remade The Last of Us just this generation”

That’s bad

Christopher124d ago

There's a plethora of PS3 games that could do with being remade. inFamous series, MotorStorm series, Resistance series, all the PS Eye games w/VR updates, Heavenly Sword, Haze, Killzone series, LBP series, White Knight chronicles, Warhawk. Lots of good things just on PS3 that could be remade for modern consoles and ensure forward compatibility.

Lexreborn2123d ago

All of those games can and probably will be remade in-house and with updates that the original developers want to add to them. Just how the GoW Remake is being done in house with upgraded mechanics.

We gotta stop pretending like this was some type of only Bluepoint could do it. If they could, then they would’ve had the green light.

People are so quick to blame the head as the only issue. But just like with Scalebound, perfect dark and several other games that were promised. The devs bit off more then they could chew. And in a sea of complaints of half baked games, decisions like this are sometimes necessary.

Christopher123d ago

***All of those games can and probably will be remade in-house and with updates that the original developers want to add to them.***

(x) Doubt

Lexreborn2123d ago

@christopher

Not sure how you can doubt when give an example. But okay, that’s you

Christopher123d ago (Edited 123d ago )

1. It's a remake, not a remaster.
2. The other games have already been remastered before BluePoint even joined Sony.
3. BluePoint has been with Sony since 2021 after doing Demon's Souls and did zero remake jobs since there but helped Sony Santa Monica with Ragnarok and didn't succeed on a GoW Live Service game. That's five years of potential not utilized.
4. If Sony didn't use them during those 5 years to do a single remaster, I highly doubt Sony wants the other studios to focus on doing as such when they could instead focus on new games and IPs.

Lexreborn2123d ago

They literally remade shadow of the colossus and demon souls. And still to my point, if Sony Santa Monica is Remaking their own game franchise. Miyazaki stated he would rather do the remake for bloodborne. What makes you think other companies with the umbrella wouldn’t want to remake killzone, infamous and the rest themselves.

If you worked for a company for 5 years, had no original ideas. Failed at the project that was given to you. And your last ditch effort STILL relied on someone else’s work/IP. Why would you expect to keep your job?

That makes no sense and this is literally the most forced hate I’ve seen to date.

Christopher123d ago (Edited 123d ago )

***They literally remade shadow of the colossus and demon souls.***

Before Sony bought them. And afterwards? Again, **NOTHING** since purchase in 2021. NOTHING. Five years of nothing.

***What makes you think other companies with the umbrella wouldn’t want to remake killzone, infamous and the rest themselves***

Because if they did, it would be done by now. Santa Monica wanted it with GoW. It's done. They did it last generation. Now, they want to completely remake the first 3 games, not just remaster? Sony is letting them.

Why are they able to do these things but not others? Because they want to do them. Pretty sure Sucker Punch is the golden child of Sony right now. If they wanted to remaster/remake inFamous, Sony would not say no as long as they pump out Ghost games every 3-4 years.

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Michiel1989123d ago

BECAUSE SONY FORCED A GAAS GAME ON A STUDIO NOT EQUIPPED FOR IT, OFCOURSE THEY CANT DO IT YOU DUMB FUCKING CUNT. God you're the grossest sony pony i've seen in a while, anything but blame daddy sony or you're a retard, I'm not sure yet. You thinking that Epstein is the godfather of mtx makes me lean to the latter.

Lexreborn2123d ago

Sounds more like you don’t like a stranger on the internet the. The topic of actual business practices. You also see to have a weird vendetta from me FACTUALLY stating Epstein influenced MTX with activision.

Maybe you need a nap if you think me saying a company that hasn’t made a SINGLE product except someone else’s work may have dug their own grave. But, hey must be a Sony pony for thinking about the whole situation and not just rage bait headlines saying things like Sony made a mistake closing a port company.

Seek help seriously

shinXseijuro124d ago

Seems pretty clear that they’re focused on moving foward and giving us new games ? Sure they can do bloodborn but why go back if it’s already great ?

BABY-JEDI124d ago

Every sequel builds upon the successes of previous games. Bluepoint had many games they rebuilt. In which they could have developed sequels to. Sony & Bluepoint should have seen the obvious in front of their eyes. The base assets were all already built. This is an example of severe Managerial failure

shinXseijuro124d ago

Tbh I doubt fromsoftware needs anyone to rebuild a game for them … having to share profits etc . I’m sure they can release it on their own when the timing is right .

Chard123d ago

Ridiculous. That would be like the Foo Fighters trusting a cover band to create their next album, or like George RR Martin trusting the game of thrones show producers to finish writing the ASOIAF story beyond what the books had covered.

shinXseijuro124d ago (Edited 124d ago )

Seems like they’re focused on bringing new games to the table and moving forward instead of clinging to the past ? I understand why the matter is not urgent . bloodborn still holds up pretty good

Sorry for double post the website got major lags nowadays .

-Foxtrot124d ago (Edited 124d ago )

I don’t get this

Sony has said they love Bloodborne

Hidetaka Miyazaki loves Bloodborne, it’s like his baby but is super busy with other projects.

Bluepoint pitches a remake like they did with Demons Souls

Sony rejects it because apparently Miyazaki wants to work on it himself and they want to respect his wishes

Miyazaki decides to do The Duskbloods instead…on the Nintendo Switch 2

I don’t understand the issue here, is Miyazaki annoyed with Sony or something. Are those rumours about him not being happy with the Demons Souls remake true? Like this could have happened years ago if they wanted, it should have been the next project after Elden Ring. It’s sad because if Bluepoint was allowed to do this it might have saved them from being shut down.

BABY-JEDI124d ago (Edited 124d ago )

Seemingly Miyazaki had conflicted feelings about Bluepoint’s Demons Souls Remake. IMO all Miyazaki Souls games could learn from Bluepoint’s aesthetic approach/detail/refinement of the originals.
Sour grapes

oldenjon123d ago (Edited 123d ago )

double post

oldenjon123d ago

Fans of the original generally don’t agree with this sentiment though. Bluepoint got a lot of things completely wrong and took away from the atmosphere of the original. It’s weird to say that souls games, which are highly regarded for their unique art direction, should takes notes from the westernized aesthetic changes bluepoint made to their games.

Deathdeliverer123d ago

Miyazaki is especially close to bloodborne. He said it is the perfect game that embodies everything he has ever wanted to make and the best of his teams efforts. It’s Sonys game, but do you think they would risk losing him as a dev because they did something he wanted to do himself? It’s like Miyamoto. You think him saying I want to make Mario a space duck in the next entry Nintendo will shoot him down? Some devs have earned that “superstar” status and unfortunately Miyazaki will have to leave gaming, one way or another, or decide the time is right to do it himself. Look at what’s going on with the metal gear series now when you have pissed off the GUY. Exactly. Nothing.

Chard123d ago

I’m relieved Bluepoint will never touch Bloodborne. Have a look into what Bluepoint changed from an artistic perspective in the Demon’s Souls remake. Those changes are an affront to god and should be damn near illegal. Bloodborne would’ve better served with a framerate and resolution patch.

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