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Microsoft: Innovators or rip-off artists?

From gameplayer: The Microsoft conference at E3 2008 was a pretty damned impressive showcase by the big M, no doubt about it. The company has boasted that its future has never been brighter and it's even seen fit to boldly state that the 360 will outsell the PS3 in the current generation console war. How will it accomplish this lofty feat you ask? Well, one of two ways - either it'll capture our imaginations (and wallets) with exclusive game titles – or they go the other way – it just looks at what the other guy is doing, steal his ideas, and make knock off versions of his successes.

Which leads us to the titular question: is Microsoft an innovator who stands on the shoulders of those who have come before it (albeit by a few months) and evolve great ideas into awesome ones – or does it just shrewdly watch the flow and trends of the games industry to blatantly plagiarize concepts in an effort to cash in?

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cool86549d ago

no innovation here folks just copied Nintendos miis

Overr8ed6549d ago

no well they roped off everything. They are like the EA of the 3.

ILikeButter6549d ago (Edited 6549d ago )

Everyone copies everyone that is how it works.
They take the best features from other consoles and bring them to the 360 is that really a bad thing?
And you guys are acting like Sony or Nintendo never ripped-off anything to improve their console.

Ribbet Meow - Cat Frog

Chris_GTR16549d ago (Edited 6549d ago )

yea im shure those Home avatars were a pretty original idea. youve never heard of second life before?.... sounds like a hypocrite to me.

EDIT. hows home better than second life?

pwnsause6549d ago

they took the second life idea and they made it better, Microsoft just plained copy.

kingOVsticks6549d ago

did you see that movie maker! where you waves your hands and swat flies with your body in front of a camera! oh wait...that sounds like the eye toy,But what about the brand new avatars!but they look like miis but they do have a wide selection of clothing and they can hang out and chat!But that sounds like home noe.uggggggghh ummmmmmmmm well at least they have plenty of money from ripping people off to buy out proven ips right from sony noses!

F#ck did sony ever f#ck up If I don't see a KH3,ff13 vs,AND FF13 AGITO i'll be pissed....Why couldn't M$ have FF13 agito while sony have Ff13 and FF13 vS then everyones happy! this is BS!
end rant

ILikeButter6549d ago

Microsoft did take the Wii idea and made it better also.

littletad6549d ago (Edited 6549d ago )

Copied rumble and analog from Nintendo, Final Fantasy games started on Nintendo systems. Psn is an imitation of Live, and so is the Wii's channel (whatever you call it). Everyone copies everyone.

But you know what. Nintendo didn't give a crap about the Mii's. In fact, all they ever did was jump onto your parents and grandparents lap. "Forget the Mii's, we got our casual dough to roll around in" is their new silent motto.

And Sony? Well they've had some 2 years now since they launched and they are still delaying Home. Basically it's a missed opportunity on their part. But better late then never.

@kingofsticks
That's got to be the most idiotic comment I've ever read from you. Completely oblivious to who imitates who, and then talking about Microsoft snatching exclusives? So what? It's a business industry, get over it. Sony's been doing it from Nintendo way back with ps1. Wise up.

Doppy6549d ago

Both

They ripped everything good about Nintendo and Sony's services, but they made them into their own. Some of the features like, the tv show games look cool, and should be fun to play every now and then. However, most of the stuff Microsoft showed was taken from Sony and Nintendo.

Game wise everything is multiplat titles Fallout, Resident Evil 4, etc... The only thing Microsoft did is pay for exclusives. GTA4 content, Fallout 3 content, FF13 etc... Microsoft themselves focused on the casual. Everything they showed is more geared towards casual gamers with the exception of Gears 2, and Fable 2 (Fable 2 is still geared towards the hardcore, but it seemed to be lean a little close to the casual side to me).

Thugbot1876549d ago

Well no doubt this will get the fanboys saying how Microsoft sucks, but everyone copies everyone. Throughout Microsoft’s history they have taken other ideas or bought out other companies to obtain an idea. They aren’t the only company that does it, Apple, Sony and many other companies do it. The thing that sets MS apart is they normally are really good at taking and vision or idea and seeing that it reaches its full potential and some.

The thing is if Nintendo truly had invented the Wii Mote they would have a patent and MS wouldn’t be able to come out with a knock off; however they didn’t, they only were to first to decide to use it as a controller for a video game console.

I hope MS does something a lot better than what the Wii has been doing because the Wii has had a list of disappointing games. It’s sad when your retro games from old consoles outnumber the AAA you have for the current gen.

Omegasyde6549d ago

Its one thing to copy a concept and make it better.

Its another to copy a concept, make it better, and then call it innovative. Don't believe me? Please RE-watch the MS e3 show again where they described thier AVA-Mii's and AVA-Mii game development at RARE.

Once done, please refer to how the guy call the group chat innovative and a first on a console. Please Refer to the PS3 having a group chat option with ability to share photo's as well as multi-camera option with in the chat room. This has been with the ps3 since launch. Sure it was done on the PC a decade ago, but not on a console.

The old saying that "Imitation is a form of flattery", couldn't be ever more true in this scenario.

"Wee JUMP IN B3yond".

truth for gamers6549d ago (Edited 6549d ago )

If MS are ripoff artist then what can we say about Sony since they are copying live's achievements with 'trophys'?

If it wasn't for MS there would be no ps3 or psn because sony was making loads off of the ps2 as it was.

Omegasyde6548d ago

Granted but you can argue that trophies aren't a "score"
They are a trophy not a number value. They even come with a image, but its not about Microsoft Vs. Sony.

Its the whole Wii imitation, they could of atleast tried harder but nope they made the avatars look like upgraded mii's. And of coarse blantantly ripped off the idea and called it INNOVATIVE.

The only innovative thing was NetFlix Deal and the Huge Massive Multiplayer online quizshow. Which Sony show themselves on the foot by not bringing the Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy games to the PS3.

JUST LOOK AT WHAT SONY HAS. All for the PC but none on the PS3?
http://www.station.sony.com...

Linzoid6548d ago

What have Microsoft innovated? Just tell me one thing.

Sony have innovated the EyeToy, Singstar, Buzz and Walkman just to name a few.

Everyone keeps banging on about Sony copying Achievements, but in reality "Achievements" have been in games well before Microsoft added them to the Xbox

Microsoft wouldn't get such a bashing if they came up with a genuinely innovative idea of their own. Microsoft have a history of copying going right back to the days of MS-DOS!

I'm not saying that Sony isn't guilty of copying either, they do it too, however they have innovated and to continue to innovate which is the difference.

I had really high hopes for Microsoft at this E3 and thought they had something really big to announce, but all they have done is announce things that other consoles already have.

dc086548d ago

Welcome to the wonderful world of competing with Microsoft.

Sincerely,
Apple

jtucker786548d ago (Edited 6548d ago )

I respect your innovations:
creating joypad analogue sticks,
creating the full 3D 3rd person viewpoint (Mario 64),
creating the modern RPG with Zelda OoT,
introducing motion controls
building in an excellent IR functionality that improves FPS controls...

NOW ... can you please copy Microsoft and Sony, and build a decent machine with current technology.
I want the next Zelda to be as large and graphically impressive as Fallout 3 and for it to have a Dolby Digital soundtrack with directional sound. No midi tracks!

Copying is good.
Sony & Microsoft - copy IR
Sony & Nintendo - copy Live
Nintendo - copy Live & PSN
Microsoft & Nintendo - give all your next systems HDDs. Installations are the way to go.

Everyone copy each other. Build the best systems you can.

Thank you

P.S. Voice chat for Ninty wouldn't go a-miss either. The Conduit needs to have it for Team Deathmatch.

IdleLeeSiuLung6548d ago

People can complain all they want about MS not innovating. Innovation is bringing something completely new to the table and I don't think any of the three companies are bringing anything "innovative" or should I say completely new to the table.

To me MS has been excellent at evolving the ideas into products people want to use. In the end, do I care if they copied it or not? NO! As long as they bring another feature to the table, I don't care and I suspect most Joe Schmoe wouldn't care either.

I don't know why people have problems with companies evolving an idea, when it just brings more value to the consumers. It is fair competition and the only way you are going to be protected are through patents. We have all seen what happens with software patents, such as amazon 1-click order....

I have a problem with a company sitting on brand names overcharging people for a product based on prestige (Apple, etc), but people are willing to buy it so let em. Anyhow that is another discussion.

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INehalemEXI6549d ago

would be a good Film for that movie maker game thing they showed at E3.

Domenikos6549d ago

... Lols on "Lips" BTW.

I really love GeoW and Fable (not so much), but they are just sequels, so... wathever

themyk6549d ago

would somebody like to explain to me how psn is a copy of live.

i'm sorry i missed the part where the 180 was the only console that was aloud to have an online system.

but the mii's come on guys. uuuuuuber lame.

and say what you like about home and second life. i admit it's an obvious rip. but they changed it as well. it's the same in the sense that it's an online avatar world. but thats it. everything else is there to serve as a ps3 tool.

and it just so happens that it does all that "great" stuff that your 360 can do soon like watch movies together. share pictures, which we can do right now oddly enough.

what ever.

Shaka2K66549d ago

' ' The Microsoft conference at E3 2008 was a pretty damned impressive showcase by the big M, no doubt about it. The company has boasted that its future has never been brighter and it's even seen fit to boldly state that the 360 will outsell the PS3 in the current generation console war. ' '

Haahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha.

microsuck is doomed they should quit before they loose more billions.

mikeslemonade6549d ago

Great online on a console and achievements are the only things I can think of that Microsoft themselves invented. Everything else are blatant ripoffs or things that are clearly derived from somewhere else.

Millah6549d ago

All they do is rip off. I love it when these tools on here claim "everyone rips each other off." No they don't, someone presents an idea and the competition improves that idea for themselves with their own ideas thrown in the mix to make it an original idea. The key word is improve. Microsoft neither improves or integrates original ideas with an inspired idea, they flat out copy and rip off. This is nothing new with the 360, they have been playing this same game with Apple since Microsoft was BORN. Apple consistently reinvents and innovates, while Microsoft watches and copies.

As Steve Jobs said

Thoas6548d ago (Edited 6548d ago )

Very true, just look at the nasty Zune crap that's not selling. Apple and PlayStation are pwning them on the idea front. I bet anything M$ comes out with a Iphone copycat soon.

Sir_Ken_Kutaragi6548d ago

Innovators = SONY ;)

Rip-off Artists = Micro$luts!!! ;-D

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PoSTedUP6549d ago

MS doesnt really make games... are they rip offs? no, they are LAZY!

GiantEnemyCrab6549d ago

I'd like to dedicate this one to the Duken Juuken!!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

juuken6548d ago

Lolz & Crabbie. >:P

Silly little muppet.

GiantEnemyCrab6549d ago (Edited 6549d ago )

Nobody has heard of that, they have short term fanboy memory.

What was I talking about again?

@3.2: You wouldn't of even known you wanted those features if they weren't on XBL. I pay $50 for the best online service that still is the best online service despite the FW update. If/when PSN hits that point then I will complain.

chrisnick6549d ago

frankly speaking.....if we (the playstation nation) didn't fuss and make all that noise about wanting it....they probably wouldnt have put it in. And just like trophies and in game messaging etc...we begged,they provided, and slowly perfected and will continue to build. We asked them to add it....they pleased us....we give them money......360 owners get raped...u pay 50 bucks (u mfs pay for themes!!!)...and u say "please sir, may i have some more?"

ILikeButter6549d ago

Actually if Sony took many features from live and brought them to PSN it is still a rip-off

chrisnick6548d ago

ok....im convinced ur slow...because by what u just said...u just called ms entire press conference a huge rip off.....but seriously...are u?...are u really slow?

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Relientk7751d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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