I love how on every positive DX12 article your nowhere to be found. But on an article that makes DX12 like this your quick to comment SmH.

@Marlin

you took it out of context.

He said he reconfirms what he said in that same sentence. and was speaking of how those "non dramatic" improvements will be. and it differs game to game basis.

So you. you forgot the portion where he RECONFIRMS DX12 not doing anything big.

Lol. Even MS engineers went out of their way to not include DX12 improvements on X1 slides.

When they talked about DX12 on PC slides, "it will be huge improvements"

When they talked about DX12 on X1 slides, zero mention of that improvements, but says "most of DX12 is already on X1"

It actually is called DX11.5 cause most stuff have already been there. DX12 is giving what console have to PC.

@Gamenamefame

as marlinfan clearly stated above you are in every DX12 article,spouting the same BS. isn't there something else here that interests you?

"Won't be a dramatic difference" is up for interpretation. Has he clarified what he meant by that? You seem to think it means small changes, but who really knows. When I think of dramatic I think of something vastly different, just because its not dramatic doesn't mean it's just some small improvement like you make it seem. I'm not gonna put words in his mouth (like you). Have you even once seen me say they will be huge or dramatic improvements? No. I don't think it's gonna magically double fps and bump every xbox game to 1440p or anything. I'm just saying that there will undoubtedly be improvements. The whole point of my original response is that you cherry pick what tweets of phil Spencers you like to bring up in order to strengthen your arguments and downplay dx12. And you do it in literally every dx12 article. Your post are so similar in all the articles that I almost think you keep it copied on your computer waiting for more dx12 articles. You post the same links and the same nonsensical dribble.

All someone needs to do is take a quick look at your comment history to see your agenda. Nearly every comment on your first page is about dx12..probably 85% of them, and all the comments are basically exactly like your comments in this article talking about the slides and how ms shot it down 5 times.

if its easy and works identical to dx11(with improvements obviously), imo they should.
but if they have to go out of their way to implement those features, i say screw it.

@Marlin,
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"Won't be a dramatic difference" is up for interpretation"

LOL. Spencer"it wont be dramatic"

6 months later

Interviewer "Do you still stand by that comment"

Spencer "Yes"

Nothing much to interpret. Just desperate grasp is what you have.

I think you're the one grasping at straws here saying that since he said it's not a "dramatic" difference that it means xbox will only have minor improvements. Clearly you've run out of arguing points though or copied comments saved on your computer so have a good one buddy. See you in the next dx12 article.

I like how people like GameNameFame have so many bubbles and spew nothing but nonsense.

The show is coming.

Lot of people gonna look really dumb here in a few weeks.

I can't wait

GameNameFame trashed me like this in a thread just the other day. I tried to be a gentleman by PMing him instead of humiliating him in public and he just flamed me in response and blocked me afterwards. I just want everyone to know how he seems to post just to piss everyone off by making fanboy statements and cannot be reasoned with.

Edit: I gave him specific sites to go to that were full of technical data explaining why Xbox One was not realizing its full potential. He ignored them completely and went back to months old info to prove his point.

@yarbie,

so MS officially shooting it down is just non sense? Them saying its mostly for PC is nonsense?

but rumor secret sauce is the gospel? and this is like after 100 secret sauces turned out to be false.

It just sound super desperate to me. LOL. "NO, MS IS WRONG. NO, THEY DIDNT MEAN "NO" that way. They just said "no" 5 times already! but meant something else."

This is so sad.

@commentator

You humiliated yourself. Here you doing it in public

LOL

http://n4g.com/news/1670757...

"Xbox One can run native 4k, and I'll tell you why I think it will(I can already feel the flames-a-burnin'). "

So desperate to try to believe in secret sauce MS directly shot down. 5 times. LOL

and btw, where is this link? source? You didnt PM any source. Just your desperate straw grab which was just really sad.

here is full technical data. By Ubisoft at GDC,

http://www.cinemablend.com/...

And yes, that is after multithreading and optimization on both consoles.

@GameNameFame Wow. Your argument, no your pessimistic perception of Phils quotes... Just stop commenting on Dx12 articles.

@Gamefame

Again, those were in response to hardware specs. Do we think Dx12 will come and boost up hardware as if it exchanged hardware it magically?! ...No! Once you put your perspective in that regards you'll see what Phil means (with a smile ;D) saying of course it won't provide "dramatic improvements". And this was all in regards to the question asked to Phil.

Now for anyone who is actually interested in the technology will know damn well that XOne exclusive will have dramatic designs IF fully designed with Dx12. Why? Do your own research on this "exclusive features" the developer in the article stated. It's funny how all fanboys argue about the developer's comment and not realize the developer stated very valid points. It's the site that's the problem with it's clickbate BS, muddling the whole article to seem negative.

If anything in my opinon, those Dx12 "feature sets" ARE innovative and as one relevant developer put it, ...a "paradigm Shift". ;D

All of your sources have been nothing but crap quoting Phil from an old comment. Phil? He's not even a engineer. It's called expaction control, because we're NOT goign to see dramatic changes in multiplat games for now, only exclusives and wouldn't be surprised to see some awesome games.

@kalopsia

Lol. Wasn't response to hardware.

Was direct response to "will dx12 have big impact on X1?"

He said no. He was saying unless hardware improves it won't change much.

No means no. Five no means definitely no.

Lolllo so desperate.

@GameNameFame

You think PC needs something from consoles? HAHAHAHA Everyone go read #1.1.5 it pretty much invalidates anything this person called "GameLameBrain" has ever said in entire account history. He thinks DX12 is going to "give PC what consoles already have" wow dude you went all the way incorrect. 100% false. confirmed.

@Gamenamefame

Honestly you keep grasping onto old tweets, its sad.
The news is that DX12 will benefit all MS platforms including Mobiles, Tablets and XBOX etc.

https://translate.google.co... http://www.tmag.it/2015/02/...

I am not here to argue with you, I am hear to say your claims are old and don't add up anymore. If you want to listen to Phil tune down the hype then that's fine. To come out and say it wont do anything for X1 is stupid and fanboyish. DX12 has been claimed by many devs and many people who work for MS that its going to make good improvements. Phil isn't the only one working at MS and his only in charge of Xbox not MS.

@azzass

That tweet was less than a month ago.

Are you that desperate? MS officially shot this down. 5 times.

This is so pathetically sad. Loll. Your source is a guy who you never even heard of. He don't even have a NDA with MS on DX12.

And we forgetting MS shot this down 5 times? And recently too?

Just reading a few of the comments from GameNameFame here, if DX12 brings nothing to the Xbox One, why the hell are MS going to show the GDC15 conference on Xbox Live at all? Surely it would be pointless showing Spencers keynote if there were no implications of DX12 on the XboxOne #justsaying

Not true. He said the hardware won't change.
Huge effect and literally anything else (large effect, any effect, small effect) are highly interpretive statements. His job is to manage expectations. Games won't all of a sudden become 4k overnight. Multiplatform games won't be taking as much advantage as others. Developers have to want to use it to its fullest. When PC/Xbox start being the lead platform the differences will be noticeable. Wait for a ground-up-for-DX12 game to hit shelves. Trust me, you'll see the difference.

@Omega When the heck did he say it really wont do anything? All he said was it wont be a dramatic change. He also said you'll see 40% improvements on PC but that was proven wrong bc they are seeing 300%+

Games are made on game engines. Any modern, multi-plat engine supports both DX and OpenGL(or it's equivalents). There are maybe 2-3 engineers on a team of 50 that work directly with an API to get a game running.

Third party devs may think the same way in terms of parity, but it won't be because of DX, it'll be in terms of how to get all versions of the game done at the same time.

This is the way it's been for over 30 years of multi-plat game development, and it's not the first time a huge change in API's has come around. DX12 may surpass OpenGL for a while but changes will be made to OpenGL to implement features that are needed to keep up.

DX isn't some miracle that's never been seen before. API updates are expected, and when announced, planned for.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that OpenGL and DX have pretty much the same types of features, sometimes with different implementation pipelines, and when it comes to game development, very few people on a team have to concern themselves over it. Game engines were created to streamline this stuff so devs didn't have to worry about it as much, and depending on the game, you don't have to know a single lick of DX/OpenGL code to create an entire AAA game. It is needed if you want to get the most out of a console though.

3rd party devs will use DX12 and OpenGL. I don't think any dev is going to implement their own API for this stuff, and there is really no benefit to doing so. If DX12 does something now that OpenGL doesn't, and a dev needs that feature for thier game, they may implement that particular feature, but no dev is going to spend years reinventing the wheel for a proprietary API which will likely be out of date by the time they're done with it.

I try not to argue over this stuff anymore, because I find that many people have no clue what an API is, or how it's utilized to make a game or game engine. I see a lot of hyperbole and regurgitation of PR statements, and it just gets old.

I know a lot of things DX12 can do because I'm working with it now. It's a nice API. No one cares what I have to say on here about it though so what's the point in trying to give my viewpoint?

For the time being, I'll just wait for the games to come around, then talk about them then. it's going to be a while before you see a fully DX12 implemented game though, since the standard probably won't be finalized until near the end of the year.

@mhunter

Nowadays many games have a target primary system to build to, more commonly known as the lead platform. Only about half the time is it PC. The games are built on PC though, so "porting" isn't as big of a deal as some people make it out to be.

From my experience, the lead platform doesn't really matter though. About 90% of the primary code is the same between platforms and handled by the game engine. Special routines make up the rest, and they have to be programmed individually no matter what the lead is. In some ways, it's actually better to have the weakest platform as the lead, since it actually easier to port to stronger hardware. But I do know people will disagree with me on that.