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Nintendo Creators Program Still Falls Short For Youtubers

Unfortunately, the Nintendo Creators Program falls very much short of fair. It puts Nintendo in control of a participant’s content, leaves the content creator jumping through hoops and sees their pay harshly diminished.

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Big_Game_Hunters4139d ago (Edited 4139d ago )

-make a living off of other peoples work
-complain that they want a cut

Before i get heat for this comment understand this
I'm not one of those people who think being a youtuber isn't a "real" job. we pay for entertainment, entertainment is a demand and demand must be met with supply. Youtubers are part of that supply, they spend time to deliver that supply and must be compensated for the time they spend. We essentially pay the people who pay them with our views, we are the product being sold by the youtubers to the people who put the adds up, basic economics.

My problem with lets players asking for more money. You are leeching off someone else work. Movies, games, TV shows all need to pay copyright if they want to use someone else's work. How much do you think it cost Disney to have bowser in wreck it ralph for even a minute? and here you are wanting 80 or 90% of what is basically the foundation of your content.

lets be honest here. There are only a handful of Lets play channels that have a backbone past the games they play. Those are usually the ones with the most subs and the ones that(no surprise) don't or hardly complain about this stuff. A good example is Two best Friends. I watch the channel for them, even if they weren't playing games i would still watch the channel, matter of fact their best videos are usually the non lets play ones.

I don't have a problem with LP making money, i have a problem with how entitled they think they are. Whether its a good business move by Nintendo or not is a whole different topic.

wonderfulmonkeyman4139d ago (Edited 4139d ago )

Well said.
While Nintendo does have some improvements to make on this [priority #1 being that ridiculously small list of games covered by the program; anything that's published by Nintendo should be in that list by default, IMO], there is certainly a lot of entitlement going around regarding how much Youtubers think they're owed by these companies for their "free advertisement".

While I've got you here, I want your opinion personally, Hunters; how much do you think all that "free advertisement" actually helps the games sell, compared to TV spots, internet ads, and word-of-mouth on forums?

Because as far as I've seen, there are a lot of games that have been covered by relatively well-known Let's Players, that aren't really seeing much of an increase in sales.
It makes me question just how effective all that "free advertisement" actually is, for a lot of games.

Granted, there are exceptions, especially when we're talking about games that are played on the most popular of the Youtube channels like Pewdiepie, but on the whole, from what I've seen, there's way more games out there that have seen air time by these youtubers that aren't seeing that air time translating into large sales increases...

Big_Game_Hunters4138d ago (Edited 4138d ago )

i agree that they need to expand the games they will allow.
As for everyone saying that these LP are doing Nintendo a favor by giving them "free advertisement". I think anyone who truly believes that is delusional to think that anyone who isn't pew or smosh games can make a significant difference in a games sales. The channel i mentioned has 400k+ subs and their GOTY 2013 was W101. we all know how those sales are looking.

Honestly it amazes me that people think videos caterd to people who would rather watch people play games than play games themselves is good advertisement.

SilentNegotiator4139d ago

Nintendo is demanding money from Fair Use videos and you're claiming that the Let's Players are entitled?

Nevers0ft4139d ago (Edited 4139d ago )

I'm pretty much on the fence with Nintendo's stance on this. Whilst I can see why they'd want to take a cut of the revenue from LPs of their games. I'm not sure they should do it at the expensive of pissing off a large, vocal community. The net result could well be considerably less Nintendo game LPs on Youtube, and less publicity as a result.

I'm also curious as to where the line is drawn (if it is at all) - a simple play-through of a game is far different to the commentary-heavy "funny" channels, which are as much about the presenters as they are the games (GameGrumps etc). If all you've done is play the game then Nintendo deserves much of the credit, but many of these channels go far beyond a simple Let's Play.

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SilentNegotiator4139d ago (Edited 4139d ago )

Simple; don't Let's Play Nintendo games. They clearly don't want the free advertisement, so leave them to their own awful marketing that they've had this gen.

Let's Plays are Fair Use anyway ( https://iplsrutgers.wordpre... ). Make a few comments about the game (critiques) and tell Nintendo to piss off.

SpiralTear4139d ago

The problem is that Youtubers are saying "we love Nintendo. It's free advertising! We love making videos about Nintendo because we love Nintendo!" If that was the case, they'd just make the videos for no money.

I think Nintendo is still backwards on this and they need a better offer to Let's Players and Youtube content creators, no question, but I'm not fan of Youtubers pulling that "it's free advertising/we support Nintendo" excuse out as if they're making Nintendo videos purely out of love for Nintendo. Because they sure as hell aren't.

SilentNegotiator4139d ago (Edited 4139d ago )

Why would that be the expectation? You'd have to be a fanboy/dork to advertise something for free. You can do something for money and still have a passion for it. They don't need an excuse to make fair use videos anyway.

SpiralTear4139d ago

Of course. Fair use is fair use, and Nintendo needs to figure that out pronto. But if content creators want to produce and run their channels like businesses (like MANY channels do these days), they need to act accordingly.

I have no issue with them getting a good cut of the money from their videos. I DO have issue with them trying to coerce viewers to think that they're doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. They're not. Channels are businesses, and as the game industry has taught us, businesses are never run out of the goodness of their owners' hearts.

lemoncake4139d ago

I like Nintendo but they do the most stupid of things sometimes.

Kevlar0094139d ago

The issue I see is while you need to outwardly acknowledge you are using Nintendo content and take a reduced profit from it, Nintendo gets to use your content anytime with no limitations on them, they can say they made it where you need to jump through hoops.

I don't think that's lawful or at the least honest, they're in turn doing what they're trying to stop. If Nintendo is paying you 60% for the video, you should own 60% of that video. And by having majority ownership of the value you should have the final say in how your content is used. Simply giving them 60% is not mutually beneficial when they can use you has a pawn of sorts.

I stand by their decision to take 30-40% of the ad revenue, but am against their egregious decision to claim the content as their own. Nintendo should visibly show credit at the permission of the creators of the video, since Nintendo did not create the 100% of the content shown. Nintendo could just use snippets like the music industry uses samples, but to claim all of the content as theirs doesn't seem right.

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U.S. patent examiner rejects Nintendo’s summoning characters patent as obvious: non-final ruling

The rejection is non-final (and even when such rejections are labeled as “final”, the process is far from over, given that there can be, at minimum, an appeal to the Federal Circuit).

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Relientk7759d ago (Edited 59d ago )

Good, as they should! A game mechanic like that shouldn't be locked behind a patent, and Nintendo didn't invent it either.

PRIMORDUS58d ago (Edited 58d ago )

Nintendo wants to keep wasting money on bullshit lawsuits, real smart in this economy. They should put that money aside for other game projects. On the other hand, I don't care if they waste it all either, and they are screwed in the future maybe that will teach them a lesson.

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Nintendo Suing U.S. Government Over Tariffs

Nintendo filed a lawsuit in the United States Court of International Trade.

Nintendo of America is suing the United States government over the sweeping tariffs President Donald Trump put in place last year, according to a complaint filed Friday in the U.S. Court of International Trade and obtained by Aftermath.

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Deathdeliverer84d ago

Well dayum lol. Old agent orange pissing off every industry and nation.

0hMyGandhi83d ago

The fact that you have ANY disagrees will forever baffle me. And to the (apparent) MAGA contingent that exists on this website, enjoy your 8-9 dollar gas.

AuraAbjure83d ago (Edited 83d ago )

Yes, they had better be pissed after Trump told them the way they rip off the USA is over.

EveryPlatformGamer84d ago

LOL I read this on gaff, will they refund the money back to the gamers? highly unlikely. Didn't they just raise prices and pass it onto the gamers? Only Nintendo would send out the Ninjas to the US government.

-Foxtrot84d ago

That’s what I was thinking, imagine them winning hypothetically, getting a s**t load of money back which they would have lost if they hadn’t raised their prices and it’s business as normal.

It would just mean people paid more for no reason since they got the money back anyway.

Outside_ofthe_Box83d ago (Edited 83d ago )

A lot of companies partially passed the cost to consumers instead of all of it. They would still have to at least pay that back to gamers, but we know that won't happen. What's also sad is that prices won't come back down after the initial hike caused by tariffs.

People didn't understand the full repercussions of tariffs. That alone should have cost him the presidency if people knew it was a permanent price hike for consumers

Inverno84d ago

The people should sue these companies for having to over pay cause of these tariffs.

Eonjay84d ago

Naw they should sue the government for forcing the tax to begin with. No one reasonably expects these companies to absorb the taxes. Many smaller companies tried and were shut down or faced to increase prices to try to maintain their business. The tariffs effect everyone.

Inverno82d ago

I meant it mostly as a joke cause we all know the costs of these tariffs were passed onto the consumer. But it's seems no matter how vocal we are here in the states our "representatives" don't seem to care enough to represent us. And things are about to get worse.

Killer2020UK83d ago

The companies were doing what the law required then to do, the tariffs however were illegally implemented. Usually it's criminals we punish, you seem to have different ideas 🤷‍♂️

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