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AMD hints at new processor architecture for “game console” in 2016

AMD has revealed that they are currently working on a new processor architecture for a gaming console slated to be released in 2016.

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Neonridr4155d ago

could be the 3DS successor. Even if it was for the Wii U successor, 2016 doesn't mean that is when it would be available to the public.. merely revealed.

WolfLeBlack4155d ago

Or potentially a new Ouya style console, since everybody and their dog seems to be making one at the mo.

Ranma14155d ago (Edited 4155d ago )

Hoping for Dreamcast 2.

More competition is good, even I wouldn't mind if Samsung, Apple or AMAZON shockingly announces a console

http://cache.kotaku.com/ass...

Tapewurm4155d ago (Edited 4155d ago )

A new Sega Console would be nice (even handheld...GameGear Extreme lol).... launch with Panzer Dragoon Saga & Orta 2, Skies of Arcadia 2, Virtua Fighter 6, Daytona 3, Sega Rally 3, Virtual On 3, Virtua Cop 3, Burning Rangers 2, Shining Force IV, Phantasy Star 5, Shenmue Complete, & an ultimate Sonic game .... is that too much to hope for? 8)

dcbronco4155d ago

Could be a Wii U successor. Or maybe a Apple console. There had been rumors of Apple looking at AMD for some time. But a new. Wii might be in order. This Christmas has seen a big turnaround for the Wii U, but there are only so many Mario games they can release in a generation.

A console built on AMD's net architectures on the CPU and GPU sides would kill the competition. And still be sold at a profit day one just like Nintendo likes it. Microsoft and Sony will need to get those cloud services going sooner rather than later. A new Wii would make things better for gaming and gamers.

fr0sty4155d ago

Nintendo did say they were working on new consoles already, so this fits that.

Tempest3174155d ago

@Tapewurm lol a new Sega, to launch with sequels of nearly every major ip? I thought asking for just a new sega was too much to hope for :P

rainslacker4155d ago

I really hope it's not Apple. At least not as a home console in the PS4/X1/WiiU vein. Apple hasn't been that innovative the past couple years, and dunno if them trying to control the console market is a good thing.

On top of that, Apple fan boys put the ones here to shame. Makes the annoying trolls here look like well reasoned intelligent contributers to the community.

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KrisButtar4155d ago

I don't agree with it being a 3DS successor as they mention consoles and not handhelds. I do think we will get a reveal in 2016 but a later release date on what ever it is.

Neonridr4155d ago

well they did bring up the ARM processors, which is what is found in the 3DS (and the Wii U). Who knows what it could be in the end..

joab7774155d ago

I think it's the wiiU successor for sure. I could see a 2017 holiday release.

FlyingFoxy4155d ago

A handheld is a console. I'm pretty sure people just use both names interchangeably.. So yeah it could be a 3DS successor, one is due within the next 1-2 years after all.

zero_gamer4155d ago

Well, handhelds are consoles as well.

jsslifelike4155d ago

What if it's a console AND a handheld in one!!??

DeadlyFire4154d ago

My bet is its both.

x86-64 win for console and ARM win for handheld console. Maybe? Possibly some APU combo or ARM+x86 combo for next Nintendo console that allows portable titles to be played on the system. Just a guess.

Either way I don't expect a big leap from Nintendo, but I do expect it to be more powerful than PS4 for their next gen console which might be enough power to keep third party devs interested in the platform if its easy enough to port over to it without to much downgrading and such.

extermin8or4154d ago

Well the wii u successor and the 3DS successor are rumoured to be two parts of the same thing. Not sure if it's true but it could be a neat idea. If Nintendo don't do it I can see Sony doing it (if Nintendo do do it Sony definitely will) because remote play with Vita has been quite successful, I think normal controllers would still exist for play on a TV but I suspect some sort of powerful handheld component as an optional add on or in the box is likely to become a thing, far more preferable than kinect/ps eye tbh.

extermin8or4154d ago

@Deadlyfire: It would only keep 3rd parties interested if all it's specs are up to scratch wii u is more powerful than a PS3 in gpu etc department but it's other specs leave alot to be desired. Plus if like last time 3rd parties know far more powerful consoles are just about to arrive.... Likely next gen will kick off 2018 if this really is launching in 2016 and is successful/more powerful and outperforms current consoles. Otherwise I expect 2019/2020.

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3-4-54155d ago (Edited 4155d ago )

New Nintendo Handheld will be released a YEAR BEFORE the console.

3DS = 2011
Wii U = 2012

New Nintendo Handheld = 2017
New Nintendo Console = 2018

New PS5/XB2 = 2019/20

Also, many in the industry WARNED us that this gen wouldn't be a huge leap.

It's mostly a gen that fills in the blanks left over from last gen.

NEXT CONSOLES, are the ones that will absolutely amaze us.

They (Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft/) knew this and gave us a subtle warning a few times about it.

Most people are terrible at listening though and didn't pay attention and still jump to conclusions.

Just follow history...

Qrphe4155d ago (Edited 4155d ago )

>NEXT CONSOLES, are the ones that will absolutely amaze us.

If you're not amazed by this gen you won't be amazed about the next one either. Don't expect a next gen until tens and tens of consoles have been sold and 20Tflop GPUs are around

csbunk024155d ago

Wasn't it agreed upon around the time of release of XB1/PS4 that this is the last generation of the consoles since the PC is getting more and more content shared with XB/PS as time goes on, resulting in the final push for such platforms?

Either way if it is Nintendo, they sure as hell wasted a lot of resources on the WiiU and it makes me wonder if they'll do some backwards compatibility function so people can still play their WiiU smash since that's one of the rare franchises that persists through generations effortlessly.

Menkyo4155d ago

@Hasteborn no it wasnt "agreed"by anyone. Most industry people felt this gen maybe the last for consoles because of the slump in hardware sales and software sales going into this gen. They were wrong just like they were wrong when they said mobile would kill console gaming. Its like an other bubble in any market the pervious consoles were very long in the tooth they reach a critical mass point thus hardware sales started to fall. Pc are getting more attention but they wont replace consoles. There is still a large portion of people who cant afford and dont want to have a gaming pc. Consoles arent going anywhere any time soon. Mayb if things like steam box or the ultra small form factor pcs take off like the alienware ones maybe but ita not going to happen in the next 3years

kryteris4155d ago

3D Memory and the pending Steam Box leave me wondering if those dates will come sooner. Nvidia Roadmap presentation here: http://youtu.be/wFSxj_Msc70...

Knuxxx4155d ago

I really don't think there will be a huge change even next gen. The only change will be in the peripherals. That might change, but as far as console power, I think we're close to tapped out until they can find something more practical for the amount of memory that it would require for both developers and the consumer.

3-4-54155d ago

I'm very pleased with this generation of gaming, but nothing amazes me yet.

If we keep acting like everything is amazing, we will forget how to recognize when something ACTUALLY is amazing.

* This is a transition in gaming Generation, if you can't see that, you need to take a step back and look again.

* Nothing wrong with that though, and we are still going to get classics,good,great,mediocre,t rash,terrible games.....that will always happen.

* All the stuff that worked well for the PS4/XB1/Wii U, will be assessed and looked at by Nintendo and included into the next console, and it will release earlier.

* This early console/handheld release thing Nintendo is doing isn't going away.

* They are moving towards an "in between" type of thing, where they ALWAYS get the initial early sales because of Lack of competition for 1-2 years until their competitors release their console.

* When the new Nintendo console releases, it will have all the features we liked about this current gen, + the stuff we can't wait to see on the PS5/XB2......except we get to use it a year or two earlier.

* The way Sony & Microsoft invest in consoles, they waster a lot of money but also have to stick with their said console for a bit longer to recoup the money spent on the R&D and everything they were doing leading up to launch of PS4/XB1.

* It leaves Nintendo with their own unique Launch Window for every upcoming generation and even if their consoles MAY never again be as powerful as their competitors, they will at least be the first to usher in the next gen from here on out and gives us fresh new games.

* Being New helps whatever they are selling (games) feel fresh.

Soc54155d ago

Thanks for teaching us how to listen!
Thumbs up.
I love you posters who act like the guy no one listened to, or the only one who "gets" it. Or the one who "called" it when something happens

rainslacker4155d ago

Unless VR takes off, I don't see a drastic change next gen either. Maybe improvements in anything involving memory intensive tasks since a new memory architecture should be available by then, but other than that, the processors are just going to be beefed up versions of what we have now.

We're still a couple decades away from any kind of meaningful change in current tech that could achieve something more than what we see now without the current method of just throwing more transistors at the bottlenecks.

Anyhow, Even VR has it's drawbacks to the mainstream, so hard to say that if in 5-6 years it will be adopted enough to base a console around.

UKmilitia4154d ago

i dont mind this being a short gen i just hope they keep the same structure so that backwards compat to ps4 games is possible.
Im in UK and still havent seen PSNOW running nut i would still rather have backwards compat that psnow.

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N4g_null4155d ago

It's hard to tell right now. If it is nintendo then this maybe a die shrink for the wiiu with a speed boost. Also nintendo has to get something ready for china. Most still don't know what the new 3ds has in it.

Ranma14155d ago

I havent been following amazons gaming development, but it could be related to amazon?

If not amazon I would assume Nintendo then

SilentNegotiator4155d ago (Edited 4155d ago )

It's weird to think that 3DS is already almost 4 years old. GBA only went for 3 and a half years without a successor, so a new handheld from Nintendo in 2016 (when 3DS is 5 years old) isn't unthinkable.

bluzone4155d ago

I wonder if this is Google's bid to get into the gaming industry.

Crazyglues4154d ago (Edited 4154d ago )

Wow... PS5 confirmed for Nov. 2016

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Cryptcuzz4154d ago

I don't think it's a successor to the 3DS, since Nintendo have just announced the NEW 3DS that has yet to even release outside of Japan right?

I am personally hoping for a NEW Vita with cheaper storage/integrated storage and of course better graphics/smoother gameplay.

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Gaming247allday4155d ago

is it not possible that this is for an already existing console? maybe a re-design? X1/PS4 Slim maybe

Pandamobile4155d ago

They can't just up and change the processors architecture on an existing gaming system.

andrewer4155d ago (Edited 4155d ago )

The title is a little misleading...an actually new architecture would mean incompatibility between the new and the older console, like what happened when PS4 went with x86. What we've got here isn't a new architecture but a new CPU.

Tempest3174155d ago

@andrewer There's a difference between the Instruction Set Architecture (x86-64) and Micro-architecture (i.e. Intel "Haswell" i7).

andrewer4154d ago

@Tempest317 I know, it's just that when I read "processor architecture" I associate with ISA (like everybody else, eg when you search google for it, the first link is a list of CPU processors AKA list of ISAs). What we have here is just a Jaguar upgrade...

joab7774155d ago

That would be great. At some point, they may have to release upgrades with min/max settings for publishers similar to PC.

memots4155d ago

maybe they stacked them inside the console but the NDA doesn't allow them to say anything .... /s

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SolidDuck4155d ago

Dreamcast 2 confirmed! Heck ya!

FlyingFoxy4155d ago

Would be nice but it's doubtful, Dreamcast is a pretty unique name for a console compared to all the others though.. probably my favorite name for a console.

Gh05t4155d ago

"SEGA DOES, what NINTENDONT!"

MSBAUSTX4155d ago

Kind of like how Nintendont make huge piles of crap like the new sonic game, the one before it and besides generations and Unleashed every other one vetween those and adventure 2?

Even when Nintendo fails a console it still makes enough money that it doesnt break them. Sega Dont do that either. So I would say you are completely accurate. Sega does what Nintendont and thats suck.

Gh05t4154d ago

Simmer down turbo, no need to get your panties in a bunch. It was just a reference to the old Genesis commercials from the 1990's.

CloudRap4155d ago (Edited 4155d ago )

The Apple Console is approching my brethren
bringing with it a thousand years of darkness.

...jk

madmonkey014155d ago

apple wouldnt need a new cpu designed for it, they would just use something 2 years old and charge 50% more than thier competitors

memots4155d ago

and 1500's of Flappy bird clones.

MSBAUSTX4155d ago

They would never have multiplat titles because everything released on it would be proprietary. Plus it would still require you to connect it to a computer and sync it in order to download anything in turn deleting whatever you wanted to keep on it. What a great system it will be

Lol what a joke apple is.

edqe4154d ago (Edited 4154d ago )

> They would never have multiplat titles because everything released on it would be proprietary.

As far as I know all games released for PS and XBox are also 100% proprietary. There are some open source games available for PC but not many.
PS may use open source software but I don't think Sony shares anything with the community - or is there some place where we could download and read the source code they are using?

Sony or Microsoft doesn't care about portability other than among their own devices. Vendor lock-in is key for them.

In the other hand Valve is pushing open standards forward.

Neil Trevett from NVIDIA just kept a presentation:
http://www.slideshare.net/N...

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andrewer4155d ago

x86 and ARM aren't new architectures...

Th4Freak4155d ago (Edited 4155d ago )

I think you're confusing the instruction set with the chip architecture/topology.

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@andrewer You may want to check the concepts then because the insturction set architecture is one thing and the chip design/architecture/topology is a different thing.

andrewer4155d ago

well for me "Processor architecture" is the same as Instruction Set Architecture, and Micro Architecture is probably what the author meant...

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay17d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn218d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn217d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown17d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay17d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay17d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac17d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger18d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300018d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde17d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde17d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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44% of games industry professionals have considered leaving the industry as a result of redundancies

New report from Skillsearch found that 22% of those surveyed had been laid off within the past 12 months.

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Cockney27d ago

Well if that 44% left im sure there would be a lot less redundancies

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Stop Killing Games on the latest European Commission public hearing

It's a step forward for Stop Killing Games.

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