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Hatred 'doesn't encourage' mass killings in real life, defends developer

GameZone: "Among traditional media outlets (read: non-gaming new coverage), there's the belief that video games could be responsible, or at least play a factor, in the psychopathic tendencies that tend to drive mass murderers. We've seen it in the past with things tragic events like Columbine or the Navy Yard shootings. Despite numerous studies conducted there's been no clear answer as to whether or not there is a correlation between violence in real life being caused by violent video games. Still, every time we see a violent video game, the question comes up."

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JohnathanACE4171d ago

Hatred encourages mass shootings like Gran Turismo encourages me to become a professional driver. Basically it doesn't at all.

creatchee4171d ago

Guitar Hero encouraged me to learn guitar. Just saying.

achmetha4171d ago (Edited 4171d ago )

i'm just waiting for the assault rifle & combat knife peripherals the Hatred developers promised.

wait a second....

xHeavYx4171d ago

I remember playing Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 with my mom. So far I haven't ripped off anyone's spine.

Highlife4171d ago

Rock band made me want to play guitar rock Smith taught me how to play.

garos824171d ago

and Resogun encouraged me to save all the humans. so i guess it balances out

creatchee4171d ago (Edited 4171d ago )

Exactly lol

My point was that saying Hatred encourages mass shootings is as foolish as saying that video games categorically do not serve as an impetus for us to try related activities out in real life.

Mulletino4171d ago

I drive a little crazier after an afternoon of racing games.

ThatOneGuyThere4171d ago

thats a terrible analogy as gran turismo does in fact turn people into race car drivers...

CorndogBurglar4171d ago

Hiw many racecar drivers have you ever heard of that got their start in Gran Tourismo?

PoSTedUP4171d ago

yup. it encourages it, and has turned people ito real racecar drivers single handedly.

LeCreuset4171d ago

That analogy is good for pointing out the difference between arcade type games and games that serve as simulators.

Hatred is a mass killing simulator that attempts to give you a faithful recreation of being one of the notorious figures that infamously make it into the headlines. That's the real issue being ignored, above even the violence. There have been more violent games, but, as the dev's comments allude to, Hatred differs from them in the context of how they present that violence. I said before, comparing Hatred to games like GTA is like comparing the NBA 2K series to NBA Jam.

Presentation matters. Just because a certain Game of the Year contender dealt with pedophilia doesn't make hypocrites of any of us that would criticize a game in which players take the role of a pedophile lurking around schools and parks in the lead-up to the disturbing act. There are disturbed individuals who get off on writing pedophile fantasies for like minded individuals. Do they have that right? Yes. Are fans of novels calling for publishers to give them a platform or accusing their critics of hypocrisy, because, "Well, you watched Changeling (or some other movie involving pedophilia) and didn't have a problem with it"? No.

These guys are going to make their buck off of shock-value and leave gamers to deal with the blow-back. It saddens me that so many are ready to assist them. They may have the right, but I'm not about to champion what they're doing.

ThatOneGuyThere4171d ago (Edited 4171d ago )

yeah. i can see where you're coming from. i have a feeling theres more to this game than the developer is telling us. theres a message to it. im interested to see the game come out and find out what that is. i could totally be wrong, and thats fine, ill accept that when it happens.

what about when you're playing as trevor phillips and you do a killing spree? whats the moral benefit there? you're literally playing as a methed out and arguably racist psychopath who enjoys killing for the fun of it.

P.S. I appreciate the level-headed discussion.

LeCreuset4171d ago (Edited 4171d ago )

There is no moral benefit to Trevor. Not all games have a moral benefit. Some games are violent, even more so than Hatred. But Trevor is an absurd creation in an absurd world engaging in absurd actions that are not a realistic reflection of the world. The people in GTA aren't even a realistic reflection of the world. They're caricatures. The experience of playing GTA is not meant to reflect a realistic experience. Hatred is. What's worse is that it replicates and immortalizes the experience of a kind of criminal who is spurred on by the immortalization of his crimes.

Update: Just to back up that last point, I'm going to quote from the study the FBI conducted on this very type of criminal:

"F.B.I. analysts said that many of the gunmen had studied high-profile shootings, like the one at Columbine High School in Colorado in 1999, before going on their own killing sprees.

"The analysts said the gunmen had been attracted to the attention that mass killers received. They were often motivated by a sense that they had no other way to resolve the issues they faced other than violently lashing out, the analysts said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014...

LordMaim4171d ago

Driving a car isn't illegal or immoral, and if done properly does not result in the loss of human life.

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u4one4171d ago (Edited 4171d ago )

you know that, and I know that, and probably everyone commenting on this page knows that, but all the moms, and gun nuts and politicians looking to defend their own interests are looking for something to point the finger at. This game is the golden egg for them. This is going to be plastered all over gun rights media and all things related. is it right? no. but people en masse don't understand the game culture like we do. this is like rock music in the 60s and 70s convincing people to worship satan and kill people. this is the 21st century version of rock music.

rdgneoz34171d ago

"but all the moms, and gun nuts and politicians looking to defend their own interests are looking for something to point the finger at."

Yep, because it's soo hard for parents to take a little responsibility and make sure their kids are not getting into things they shouldn't. As for gun nuts and such... while you have a right to bare arms, you don't need an assault riffle with 100 round magazine to defend yourself or kill a deer (NRA says the AR 15 is for hunting...).

MasterCornholio4171d ago

Team Fortress 2 made me love sandwiches more.

Well I'm getting another sandwich craving be right back.

torchic4171d ago (Edited 4171d ago )

that maybe the case, but we all know what's going to happen.

some kid will shoot up a school and it will inevitably be found that said kid played this game extensively. not saying the game will have encouraged him/her but the mainstream media will make the link and due to the degree of violence in Hatred, they will run harder than ever with it

it's kind of like in football (soccer) when a player puts his head on the head of an opponent, as if to headbutt but not actually headbutting. referee gives the first player a red card and while it's harsh, everyone will say "don't give the referee a decision to make. you should not have put your head on his"

it's hard enough trying to convince governments and the media that video games aren't harmful, so we don't need games like this providing ammunition to Fox News and their other mainstream friends. don't make it easier for them

Angeljuice4171d ago

The original Gran Turismo saved my life (or at least prevented a serious accident).

I was driving a friends wreck of a car (with bald tyres and one working brake), when there was a sudden downpour. I took a corner slightly too fast and started sliding sideways towards a high stone wall at quite a pace.

Despite being a relatively inexperienced driver at the time, I didn't panic at all and controlled the slide perfectly by steering into the skid and using engine breaking (missing the wall by an inch or two).

The only previous experience of such situations was playing driving sims (mostly GT), which taught me the skills required to make the corner.

Whilst I would in no way suggest that video games encourage violence, they can and do have an effect on real-life decision making and the honing of skills (although in my experience this has been wholly positive).

JimmyDM904171d ago

i HAVE started killing a lot more orcs in real life since I started playing Shadow of Mordor.

MegaRay4171d ago

Rayman encouraged me to be lazy

NuggetsOfGod4171d ago (Edited 4171d ago )

Are u assuming everyone has sanity?

It encourages unknown crazy people potentially. Like the news who glorify the killer this game glorifies the act of mass murder.

Does it not.

Its not the majority of people who should look at just the minority who do major damage.

I will not tell people not to buy it.
But I will not support it.

Its IMO a uncreative attention whore of a cash grab from some Devs who know a game like this stands out.

You cannot tell me a game designers big creative idea is a simple mass murder and the Deva are passionate about simple mass murder game.

There is a lil psycho in all of us.

If GTA allowed us to beat people up but not kill them there would be an outcry I garantee you.

If the news showed only good news i bet the ratings would go down.
We all are crazy but not enough to kill.

Gamers simple cannot live without having atleast some games that let you kill lol

OhReginald4171d ago

haha bad analogy. Gran Turismo DOES in fact encourage people to become real race car drivers.

purpleblau4171d ago

No one needs this game. It's superfluous out there. There are plenty of games.

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Hellsvacancy4171d ago

I hope the developers add some kind of "complete the game without killing anyone" mode, that would be funny, at the end of the game the dude is converted "hay I love these people, cuddles and flowers for everyone"

Concertoine4171d ago (Edited 4171d ago )

Thats like how in Postal 2 the real challenge was completing the game without killing anyone.

Dravidian4171d ago

Some games actually do that. Dishonored was one.

Hellsvacancy4171d ago

I know, that's why it would be cool if these devs did it

ritsuka6664171d ago

Hatred 'doesn't encourage' mass killings in real life'''

Of course not...It's just another example of idiots lacking the ability to separate reality from fiction

chrissx4171d ago (Edited 4171d ago )

If video games encourages real life killings we would all be killers by now

sungam3d4171d ago

Hey man!
I would totally be a hardcore killer!

But I really can not be bothered going outside and guns don't have xbox 360 controller support or auto aim.

Whats with that?

CBF

SaveFerris4171d ago

I keep reading the title of the game as 'Hat Red' after seeing it so many times.

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Controversial "Adults Only" Murder Simulator Hatred Is Coming To Nintendo Switch

A game about killing people.

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NecrumOddBoy2229d ago (Edited 2229d ago )

This game was just gratuitous violence. I don't know why it was rated AO. It's no worse than a GTA killing spree, Hotline Miami, or even the 'No Russian' COD mission. Reminded my of a weaker Dead Nation except no zombies.

FlyingFoxy2229d ago

And we have highly sexualised Japanese games like Senran Kagura which are often either borderline, or practically straight up soft core.. and not even rated AO, some even rated lower age than GTA!

Makes you wonder what's wrong with the ratings systems overall tbh, potentially exposing kids to all kinds of nasty stuff.. but then that's more the parents fault anyways, and the upper age ratings are definitely nowhere near kid friendly, yet you still get little kids playing certain things they shouldn't be.

StormSnooper2228d ago (Edited 2228d ago )

Sex should not even be an issue. Violence, on the other hand, should have restricted access. I don’t know anything about this particular game, but sounds like the difference between this and GTA is that GTA is a game about mafia, so violence itself isn’t the lure of the game. It’s telling a story. But a game about murder, is a game centered on murder as the selling point. I Don’t know, I see a difference here.

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StormSnooper2227d ago (Edited 2227d ago )

@genericgamer01
We are confusing a number of issues here:

1) I think we all agree that any outright censorship is bad.
2) violence does in fact have negative impact on young kids.
3) as a matter of public welfare, some things are not better left to the unchecked discretion of people, in this case parents. This is why we all obey traffic laws.
4) while the right to raise your children how you see fit is a fundamental right, not all parents know how/are able to raise their children in a proper way, and the rights of the child and society should also be considered. Unfortunately, while we get a manual with everything, and attend classes for things like driving, a child does not come with a manual and no classes are offered to parents about how to raise a child.
5) there is a strong interest in protecting those in our society who do not have a means of protecting themselves. This includes children who cannot protect themselves from bad parenting.
6) we do in fact have experts in every field, both inside and outside government, who have dedicated their lives to specific fields, and DO know more in that subject than the general public. (To argue otherwise is called anti-intellectualism, which is a major problem in our society today, i.e. flat earthers)

Therefore, we should have regulations that guide parents, and also prohibit them from allowing their young to engage in activities that are either damaging, or have the propensity to derail their development into functioning positive members of society.

Lastly, the issue of politicians using video games as a means to seem tough, is an altogether separate problem as these individuals should not be allowed to take the reigns from experts on matters of public policy without scientific support.

PurpHerbison2228d ago

I guess the biggest difference here is the goal of Hatred is to murder where as GTA isn't all about killing sprees, Hotline Miami is too cute to be taken seriously, and COD isn't all about wiping out Russians. Best comparison is probably Dead by Daylight where 50% of the game is being a serial killer trying to kill survivors in gruesome ways and it is only rated M.

Kostche2228d ago

shooting and killing people is shooting and killing... dont matter what form it is

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CptDville2227d ago

Have you ever tried Manhunt? It was quite disturbing when launched.

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Tetsujin2229d ago

I'm surprised Switch is getting this and PlayStation/Xbox isn't. The game was basically Postal with better graphics and more realism.

LOGICWINS2228d ago

I'm not. Sonys the one that's been caught censoring anime bikini girls. Nintendo has been vocal about being against censorship.

https://www.google.com/amp/...

https://www.exclusivelygame...

REALAS2228d ago

Haha. Only with the switch, because money. Nintendo has censored more games than anyone.

Segata2228d ago

Nintendo will censor their games but not 3rd parties. That's what tey said since few will click any links.

MadLad2228d ago

@reals

So only with either company's most recent consoles? The ones most relevant here in 2020?

REALAS2227d ago

@ Ted
I just find it funny that people make it seem like Nintendo has always championed non censorship. They have only relaxed their stance to deliver to their shareholders. Good for them, I guess.

MadLad2227d ago

@reals

What I think you're noticing is people going at Sony, because they have been the censorship kings of this generation.

I've never seen people voicing Nintendo's anti-censorship stance, because they've obviously been bad with that in the past. But we're talking about now, and Sony is the one always seen censoring content nowadays.

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Activemessiah2229d ago

Brace yourselves for the incoming bitching about this by journalists.

NecrumOddBoy2228d ago (Edited 2228d ago )

Or more likely: "Best on Switch - 10/10"

QuePasa872228d ago

Hmm I wonder if some retail outlets will refuse to sell it

Kabaneri2228d ago

Every open world sandbox game is Hatred for me.

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5 Titles That Critics Hated but Gamers Loved

A look at five games that gamers loved but most critics hated.

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iofhua3075d ago

Advent Rising is another good example. It got panned by critics but it has a good story and I enjoyed playing it. The graphics are dated, the enemies all look the same, but it was made in 2005 so what do you expect? I wish they made the sequel so I could finish the story but I think the critics killed it off.

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Aaroncls73074d ago

I don't trust critics.
I'd value more the feedback from a random user.

nommers3074d ago

I seldom trust gamers or critics anymore. A lot of times high scores just mean how likely you are to enjoy something from the game, but rarely anything about how much you would enjoy said things, or whether the highly preferred type of qualities in a game you’re looking for are even in it. My initial gut feeling of the premise of a game is usually all I need.

quent3074d ago

Silent Hill: downpour another example

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Shock Value Alone Won't Sell Sh*tty Games

Joanna Mueller writes: "Since the 1980's, video game advocates have been arguing for the protection of games as a medium of free speech. Frankly, I consider myself in that camp, but just because a game can push against the boundaries of common decency doesn't mean it should. Especially if the developer is just hoping to ride the wave of pearl clutching controversy to the bank."

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garyanderson3544d ago

Nothing wrong with pushing for controversy, but the game still has to be worthwhile. Lots of games in the 90s showed that.

ShaunCameron3544d ago

Because the novelty will eventually wear off and the audience will eventually wise up.

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Cy3544d ago

So what? If there's a market for something then why should anyone care if it gets filled, as long as it's not something illegal? You can dislike so-called "edge lord" games all you want (in fact, you can like or dislike whatever you want, full stop) but even if games like Hatred are just trying to take advantage of anti-SJW backlash to make a quick buck, the fact that they exist at all is important in a culture that's becoming increasingly puritan and censorship orientated. Art is supposed to push the envelope. It's supposed to make you think. And even if all a game makes you do is think about why certain people are so desperate to ban it.

Enigma_20993543d ago

Yeah, it makes me think WTF is this s***?

Skankinruby3544d ago

Sure seems to be working for gta

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