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Microsoft's Xbox One Is Looking Like a Lost Cause

Kinect has been scrapped. Its price has been cut. Games have been given away for free. Despite many aggressive initiatives, Microsoft cannot seem to boost sales of its ailing Xbox One video game console. Microsoft's latest promotion involves all three: The Windows-maker is now offering the Kinect-less Xbox One to American consumers for just $350 with a game -- a nearly 40% discount from the suggested retail price last November. Although it seems like a great deal, Microsoft has dug itself a deep hole -- Sony's lead appears insurmountable.

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Neonridr4226d ago

No offense, but didn't MS have a huge lead over Sony last gen, and then after like 8 or 9 years Sony caught up?

Not saying this will be the case here, but isn't it a little early to crown a champion when this gen is expect to go for another 6 or 7 years?

nX4226d ago

It's a clickbait article.
But there is no way Microsoft can turn this around, it was clear that the PS4 will dominate before the generation even started but I never expected such a big gap from the start where both systems still have similar libraries. Now that they are starting to diversify it doesn't feel like Microsoft has enough to keep up the excitement for the Xbox One while Sony is preparing for a huge 2015.

amiga-man4226d ago (Edited 4226d ago )

There are a lot of differences between this gen and last gen, PS4 has dominated sales out of the gate and didn't need a years headstart to achieve it.

Despite Sony launching the PS3 packed with the latest tech (Blu Ray, Cell, HDMI) it's launch came right at the start of a major recession and that tech did not come cheap, Sony turned things around with great first party support throughout the PS3 gen,

xone is losing despite having non of those problems despite that it's weaker specs and a shambolic launch has cost xone big time.

darthv724226d ago

The concern that Sony seems to be cautiously optimistic about is the extensive lead the PS4 has also translates to them possibly hitting their market saturation point sooner than expected.

There will come a point where sales will taper off for the PS4 as those who wanted one will have gotten one. those consumers looking for something new will pick up an XB1 to compliment their PS4.

It is most likely what happened with the 360/PS3. Looking at the comparison of numbers last gen, it is very possible that the percentage of people who owned both the 360 and PS3 are significantly higher than those who only owned one of them.

So generally when a company starts to see sales decline by a certain percentage...they begin rolling out the changes to spur sales to new customers. In MS case, their sales did not equate to their estimates so they are testing the waters with various incentives until the time is right for them to fully commit to that mass market appealing price point of $299 or less.

i dont foresee sony hitting that point before MS because they definitely need the revenue that the PS4 generates at its current price point more than MS does. They lost way more than they anticipated last gen with the system production costs initially that they cant take the risk of doing the same this time.

MS at least have better flexibility with their system and the price points it can experiment with so losing $$ isnt as detrimental but it still hurts.

in either case, neither one of them is likely to pull a Sega dreamcast this gen.

Ultra4226d ago (Edited 4226d ago )

When more good scores/grades hit xboxone games, expect bashing-induced opinion against xbox to hit the N4G headlines pretty soon. It's too predictable and childish.

turdburgler10804226d ago (Edited 4226d ago )

Said the guy named bloodborn. Sony's been dropping the ball left and right lately. Driveclub server troubles, PSN outages, botched update, PSnow rip off pricing, failed PStv, share play not being supported by anyone. Every time sony anounces something the fanboys get all excited and tout it as the be all end all and then sony releases it aaaaand...it gets swept under the rug.The list is endless. Poorly designed thumb sticks, no DLNA, delayed games, the joke that is the PS app. I hardly touch my ps4. My xbox one gets way more attention because MS are doing everything right. It's only a matter of time before people start dropping their ps4's for xb1's.

DeadRabbits4226d ago (Edited 4226d ago )

I always said the Xbone will have its own niche market of die hard loyalists whom COD/FIFA make up 99.9% of their gaming time!

If it keeps them off PSN all the better!

lunatic00014226d ago

Seriously????...I feel like the Xbox has the better lineup this year hands down...all I have bought for my ps4 are multiplat games while there have been way better exclusives coming out of ms this year...hopefully next year Sony can step it up which, I know they will, because their lineup this year was lackluster but that's just my opinion

AngelicIceDiamond4226d ago

"Now that they are starting to diversify it doesn't feel like Microsoft has enough to keep up the excitement for the Xbox One while Sony is preparing for a huge 2015."

@Bloodborn With a statement like that you clearly don't know MS line up next year.

You can't just brush off MS line up like they don't have a line up next year.

Volkama4226d ago (Edited 4226d ago )

Microsoft can't catch up in the race.

What we don't know is when sony's sales will plateaux. The casual market isn't what it was. Microsoft may make up some ground by default because a lot of early adopters end up with both consoles, and a lot of more casual types might not get one at all.

But hardware is just part of the formula. The real measure for success is subscriptions and software sales. Install base is a big factor, but having the favour of the dual-console crowd is big deal too. Sony are in a good position.

No_Limit4226d ago

Bloodborn,

2015 is still unknown.

So far on PS4, we know of Uncaharted 4, your game Bloodborn, and the Order:1886.

On the XB1 side, Halo 5, Fable Legends, Rise of the Tomb Raider, and Quantum Break are the known games that are coming out.

Both sides should have more announcement incoming.

Imalwaysright4226d ago (Edited 4226d ago )

@ darthv72 you seem to be forgeting that Sony is a hardware company and they can reduce the production cost of the PS4 faster than MS can do it with the X1.

Here is an article from 3 months ago.

http://wccftech.com/sony-ma...

This reduction cost on the production of the PS4, alone, raised the profit expectations for Sony's games division by 25% so Sony is definetely prepared to adjust the price of the PS4 if and when they need to do it.

redwin4226d ago

Haha, BloodBorn sounds like a commercial. Hit me up o Xbox live when you are tired of waiting for greatness. I'm undoubtably getting the game bloodbourne and most likely uncharted. But right now all you have is the prospect of 2015 and the talk of 1080p. Have you tried MS' UI? All I have for ps4 is assassins creed and TLOU.

user55757084226d ago

$350 for xbox one and a game?

how about $300 for a WiiU with 2 games!!! FULL OF WIN!

darthv724226d ago

@imalwaysright...being a hardware company has its perks. like you said, they can reduce the mfg cost which they are currently working on. That does not automatically translate into cost savings to the consumer.

that trigger is pulled when they see the system dropping below a certain percentage in sales per a set time frame (usually quarterly). MS has also stated that cost reduction in the XB1 is being worked on thanks to new fab processing on smaller dies for the chips used.

But like i said above, MS has the potential to reduce the price of the system to take a loss more so than Sony. Sony needs every $ it can get from the PS4. MS can survive a loss on the system if it means pushing more units.

both companies make their biggest $$ from subscriptions and games. If you think of it as a race to the bottom (cheaper point of entry on the consumer) then MS has the best chance to reach it first. They are more inclined to continue to sell the system at a loss to move units. Sony.....not so much despite them being a hardware company.

kreate4226d ago

Sony took some years to catch up but with a 1 year late start and with a $600 price tag. While xbox was $400.

PeaSFor4226d ago

lol at the blatant clickbait title, that said, i think MS cant turn this around.

BitbyDeath4226d ago (Edited 4226d ago )

Sony turned it around because Playstation brand is strong, that and the games obviously.

nX4226d ago (Edited 4226d ago )

@No_Limit
"On the XB1 side, Halo 5, Fable Legends, Rise of the Tomb Raider, and Quantum Break are the known games that are coming out."

Halo 5 - Uncharted 4 (Action)
Fable Legens - Bloodborne (RPG)
Quantum Break - The Order:1886 (Adventure)
Tomb Raider - No Man's Sky (3rd Party)

I know which side I prefer but I hope you'll enjoy yours ;)

nix4226d ago

bloodborn... i'm surprised people are disagreeing with you.

last gen MS was in the lead for a period of time because:

1. they came out a year ahead.
2. the RROD.
3. most of the 3rd party games were a pixel better.

this gen xbox one has none of these. nada. and their exclusive line up is going to fail as the years go by. didn't we learn this last gen? guys please. most of the guys lost out on most of the best game of the generation because they only owned xbox 360.

Thomaticus4226d ago (Edited 4226d ago )

I agree. You got one article saying Sony needs to be worried, then this article stating Microsoft is lost. Everyone's making money. Media is writing articles to feed each side of the coin.

bennissimo4226d ago

lol at the Sony troll saying the experiences of a TPS and a FPS are interchangeable.

People, just get both systems. You will be so much happier in the long run.

TheFanboySlayer4226d ago

10 years is tons of time for Xbox to turn things around....they've actually started to do so this year lol

GameNameFame4226d ago

One main difference. PS3 was way over priced and still out sold every year ww. X360 was out earlier.

Bobby Kotex4226d ago

90% of the articles here are clickbait.

Imalwaysright4225d ago (Edited 4225d ago )

@ darth72 You're making the assumption that Sony isn't willing to have lower margin profits in the PS4 1st two years in order to stay competitive and acquire more market share.

Like you said, the bulk of the profit to be made in this industry is through software sales and online paid services. The more market share Sony has, more games will be sold and more PS plus subscriptions will be made. That's exactly why I believe that Sony would do everything to stay competitive and acquire every bit of market share they can. They would only benefit from it.

Not only that but if there is one thing that Sony proved last gen is that they can have a console more expensive than MS and still sell more consoles. In 7 years MS only managed to sell more consoles than Sony in 1 year.

freshslicepizza4225d ago

is there anything wrong if xbox one ends up second overall? it will likely do better than the wii u so why do more people tend to spell doom for microsoft than they do for nintendo? i prefer microsoft be the underdog, it means they will try harder.

magnes224225d ago

@Darthv72 I get your logic on the ps4 owners adding an Xb1 to compliment. The rest of that is its a two way deal Xb1 owners will add a ps4.

ramiuk14225d ago

i dont know because in a couple of years if MS can sort there shit they will be back firing again and hopefully more trusted.
The price will be even lower and more people will jump to this gen.

Once games are not reeleased on ps3/360 numbers will increase but imo for xbox to do well they need more than Gears,Halo and forza.

they need games that rival god of war,l;ast of us,uncharteds ,ratchet clank and so on.

ALso all the crap i here Ms doing dont even appeal to anyone outside USA so they need to think more globally imo.

sonarus4225d ago

The only way microsoft can "sort their shit" is by creating the perception of better value. The whole not being able to do 1080p thing certainly hurts their case in this regard because regardless if you agree or not you can't deny in the perception of many gamers 1080p > any lower resolution.

Microsoft can lower price but more importantly i feel what they need is a new compelling ip that can represent the Xbox one. Sort of how uncharted represented the PS3 era. Xbox one needs a gears of war type game. A revolutionary type game only on the system that is HIGHLY compelling. Those games don't come around very often and they take time to develop and time is not in their favour right now.

I would honestly be surprised if the Xbox brand remains with microsoft after this generation the way things are going. I can certainly see samsung, or amazon picking up the brand and perhaps doing a far better job with it.

ABizzel14225d ago (Edited 4225d ago )

To all those saying 2015 is unknown....umm it's very well established.

2015 line-up:

PlayStation

Announced:
Tearaway, Until Dawn, Bloodbourne, The Order, Persona 5, Ratchet and Clank, Wild, Without Memory, Dragon Quest Heroes, Disgaea 5, Everybody's Gone to Rapture, God Eater 2, MLB The Show 15, Uncharted 4, Yakuza 0, Ys, Guilty Gear Xrd, Planetside 2, Deep Down, Snow, Let It Die, Magika 2, No Man's Sky, DayZ,
(24)

Possible:
EverQuest Next, H1Z1, Silent Hills, Uncharted Collection, Horizon, Whatever else their first parties are working on
(4+)

Wii U

Announced:
Mario Party 10, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, Mario vs. DK, The Legend of Zelda, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Mario Maker, Yoshi's Woolly World, Splatoon, Devil's Third, Fatal Frame V, SMT x Fire Emblem
(11)

Possible:
Star Fox, Project Guard, Pokken Tournament, The other game Miyamoto is working on
(4+)

Xbox

Announced:
Crackdown 3, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Halo 5: Guardians, Fable Legends, Phantom Dust, Quantum Break, Scalebound, Screamrise, Neverwinter
(9)

Possible:
Gears of War: Marcus Fenix Collection, Gears of War 4, Whatever else their first parties are working on
(3+)

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Thatguy-3104226d ago

Yea we can't crown a winner yet. But there are a lot of factors that cater to Playstation dominating this generation. All in all we really can't say anything until after 5 years. I doubt the console life lifespan will last as long as last Gen.

mark3214uk4226d ago

if Morpheus comes out in 2015 holidays surely its a last nail in the coffin for ms

and you can bet your life that sony E3 will probably announce the last of us 2

VR playstation Home?
VR sims (oculus consumer will be out well before then)

its all possible

other than halo 5 what has ms got coming up? quantum break was promising until they showed the demo wtf not the game i was hoping it would be :/

TheWatercooler4226d ago

It certainly is a lost cause.It has been chopped and changed and no longer is anything like it's original vision. It's had multiple price cuts, give away's and hasn't been on the market a year.

It has now been incredible devalued and it is still losing.

Highlife4226d ago (Edited 4226d ago )

What always cracks me up is that people only think there can be one winner. The rest must fold and crumble if they don't sell the most. funny thing is They can all be successfull yes that can actually happen.

Thank god for that or we would all be eating McDonald's

ThanatosDMC4226d ago

Well, if you're second place, then youre first place's loser.

Xbone all ready has a bunch multiplat games that would not release on it's console, which is not good.

PONTIAC08G8GT4226d ago

Who cares though? The system IS selling and selling well. Is it selling as well as the PS4? No.

The original price was $500, they removed Kinect which saved money so now system was $400 to compete with PS4. Why is it a bad thing if the system is now $350 and you get a free game? If someone was waiting to buy an X1, what a great time to buy one.

Stupid article

Ra30304226d ago

What's funny is for the $500 X1 price you could get the full next gen experience then when the X1 didn't sell microsoft added a game and it still don't sell so they drop the price to $399 but removed the Kinect but still u can get a game with it but you don't get the full next gen experience which Microsoft is banking on the fact you will want and now to get that Kinect you get to pay an extra $150 IMO you would have been better off at the $500 price. Even now at a holiday price at $350 with a game or 2 added in plus you have to have that Kinect or it's really not next gen Microsoft still gets that $500....my point there never was a price drop and if you don't get or want the kinect you should have stayed with the 360.

ShadowWolf7124226d ago

The reason it's potentially problematic is that they're dropping the price by $50 (selling at an increased loss) AND giving away a game for free, which is also a loss.

They're gonna have to hope to recoup those losses on software sales, which can be an issue depending on the buyer, the kind of games they like, and how often they consider purchasing said software. If someone figures they're buying solely for Halo, for example, you'd barely break even on their purchases over the next two years.

It's a risky move.

ABizzel14225d ago

@Pontiac08g8GT

Your name is too long to type form now on XD

But the $350 isn't bad for consumer, it's great, and being able to trade-in a 360 at best buy and get up to another $190 off ($160 XBO) is a steal.

That being said it's not great for MS (especially the Best Buy promotion), because they're not profiting off of these console right now. They're playing the take a loss now, and make a profit over time game, which they don't have a choice and it's the same situation the PS3 was in earlier (pricing wise, because the PS4 has uncontrollable things going against it).

The XBO is now selling well. Being in more regions helped it EU and RoW numbers jump from 15k per week up into the 30k - 40k per week. All the promotions and price cuts have made their NA numbers reach near parity with the PS4. So yes there was a cost that hurt MS to achieve that, but they have no choice.

It's either take a loss now, for the sake of having a good deal of market share for the entire generation, and providing our next console a solid fanbase at launch.

Or ride it out, get stomped, and hope that people are willing to switch back to Xbox when the new console arrive.

The first option should provide them with a 60m - 70m install base when its all said and done which is lower than the 360, but still a strong number and obviously the route they chose to go with (which is what I've been suggesting this whole time as well).

The second option could realistically have left them with an install base of around 40m (give or take) which would have been disastrous for their next console if the PS4 goes on to sell +100m like it's on track to, because most gamers simply buy the console they played on last-gen, unless there is a huge issue at the beginning of the lifecycle (PS3 price, World Wide recession, multiplats inferiority at the time, and bad press) / reveals (what happened with XBO), in which case a huge generation shift can occur.

Redgehammer4225d ago

Well said, and it's not a verified permanent price drop. I don't remember anyone crying over the PS3's price drops, if it sells consoles great. The price drop was great for me, I was able to get the last one I needed, so now both my sons, and I, have one. Xbox, is what I like, and I don't care what anyone else likes, as long as they game.

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AD7054226d ago

We would have to be fools to think that the xbox one right now with its insane deals and bundles will not do some damage. But overall the xbox one has had many deals, sometimes came with a free game, removed kinect to make it cheaper, released in more countries and nothing so far has worked because the ps4 still beated out the xboxone everytime without even trying. Not to mention sony still has most of the world. In fact outside of hell America the X1 has no chance anywhere else and even then the ps4 is still doing well in America. So globally the ps4 will still win but the X1 might swoop up the USA.

XanderZane4226d ago

Yeah, it's way to early to know what with happen in the next 2-4 years from now. I think the XB1 $350 bundles are selling very well. They've been in the top 20 on Amazon for almost a week now. The Sunset Overdrive has been sold out and other vendors are selling it well above the $350 price.

http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-...

We'll see what November's numbers show in December. I think Microsoft will take back the U.S. in do time. They probably don't have any chance in Europe or Japan since they hate everything Microsoft in those countries. China might grow a bit if Microsoft can cater to their gamers in the right way. They need some free MMO's and low price Indie games in that Country to get gamers on board. The big named games won't sell well. Microsoft will still easily sell over 50 million XB1 before this generation is over. I'm still baffled as to why the Xbox 360 is still over $200. The system should be $150 or less right now. Anyone thinking that M$ won't have lots of exclusives next year are delusional. The reason why there weren't a lot of exclusives for the XBox 360 in 2012/2013 is because they were making XB1 exclusive games for the future. Expect some BIG surprises at the E3 next year. Sony will have a lot of great games next year as well. They really need to dig themselves out of that large debt though. Losing billions each year isn't good for the company. I'm surprised Kaz Hirai still has a job at Sony.

lifeisgamesok4226d ago

Exactly. And with Microsoft saying they might delay some games into 2016 that years lineup is probably already looking wonderful with Gears of War 4, Crackdown 3

I can see Xbox One catching up this gen

breakpad4226d ago (Edited 4226d ago )

the same would happened at the previous generation (x360,PS3, wii) if the majority of the lame ass Japanese devs didnt go multi for some of the flagship franchises of PS...they bored to exploit the excellent PS3's cell processor and they preferred the easy X360 pc like processor...the only one who stayed loyal exclusive to pS3, was Kojima with his MgS 4 and the infamous Fromsoftware which used Sony 's invented phyre engine...although Sony with flood of mediocre to good -yet exclusive games ( uncharted,Gow, Infamous , Killzone etcetc) managed to beat X360 again

Bill_Willson_CIA4226d ago

Yeah but sony had European countries + japan to help them.MS doesn't have this kind of loyalty to back them up....

Even if they get US back on their side,it will not be 2:1 like it was with X360 vs PS3 and european countries will put PS4 way above Xone globally.

SoapShoes4226d ago (Edited 4226d ago )

Yes but only because it came out a year early, PS3 out sold the 360 every year except 2011.

XisThatKid4226d ago

True but the difference here is that PS4 leads in sales all around the world and the Xbox Brand isn't as necessarily profitable for MS as PS is for Sony. That 9 million sales gap took Sony 7 and 1/2 years to catch 360 was out for an entire year with no direct competition from Ninty or Sony and managed to sell as many as PS4 did in 9 months with direct competition.
PS3 closed that gap by constantly selling more units than 360 world wide and consistantly.
Not saying X1 can't do it but I'm saying it's unlikely that X1 will catch up unless Sony not only drops the ball but flattens it and throws it down the street or MS gets X1 appealling in other territories. The lead is heavy and Sony sells worldwide unlike its competition which mostly sells well in US and Euro primarily not exclusively. Good luck MS and Sony keep that momentum goin all in all gamers will win so much this gen because of this. MS is hungry again and Sony has humbled themselves.

Pogmathoin4226d ago

Sunset, excellent reviews... Check.... Halo MMC, outstanding reviews.... Check..... Sudden negative articles on Xbox One..... Check.... Look at source, look at submitter..... Check.....

AngelicIceDiamond4226d ago

I guess an article like this needs to be made considering all the great games that's getting released for the system and bunch of different bundles.

Possible impending success is a threat to some folks.

illAmpRefugee4226d ago

i dont see this gap shrinking although i dont expect yhe ps4 2 keep outselling x1 at 2:1 ratio as it is now tht would be crazy if tht continues the whole gen

geddesmond4226d ago

Yes MS had a huge lead last gen but only because it released over a year earlier. The PS3 also had fewer exclusive games in the first year than MS had and the PS4 now has but Sony had more first party studios only supoorting PS3 so they caught up with the likes of Uncharted and GOW3. MS doesn't have those studios to help pull them out back into it like Sony did. Even the PS Hack couldn't stop sony ad that was bad press for Sony for nearly a year.

PS4 is winning and it always will win especially when they announce this game I've been Alpha testing since last weekend. Oh god you thought Infamous, bloodebore and The Order look great. Well this blows them all out of the water and the gameplay and RPG leveling system is so smooth and unique.

ThanatosDMC4226d ago

Which game are you talking about?

geddesmond4225d ago

@Thanatos

None I thought I'd throw that last bit in for reactions. But we all know UC4 will blow everything out the water. We know the Next GOW will destroy and we know ND are bound to release a Last of Us sequel.

Whats MS gonna do. Release 3 more Halos? Definitely Release another Forza every year? of course. Go back to Gears of War without Epic behind development? When new devs take over a frachise they are never as good as the old games. Rely on 3RD Party support? Yeah not many 3rd partys will support them in the future if the PS4 sales gap gets even bigger.

Would you choose the smaller install base for an exclusive? only if you got a big bag of money to justify the sales lost on the other console and the way MS are practically give away he consol at half price when you take in the 3 free game I doubt whoever looks after their accounts will give that bag of money the go ahead.

Magicite4226d ago

I will certainly get PS4 soon, but no way Ill get X1 anytime soon, BUT - Lately Xbox exclusives are getting really high scores: Forza Horizon 2; Sunset Overdrive and Halo MCC.
MS is putting a good fight and that wont be unnoticed.

nitus104225d ago

Well it really depends on the types of games you like. Games like Forza Horizon 2; Sunset Overdrive and Halo MCC will be exclusive to the XB1 however there are or will be other similar games out there which will most likely be mulit-platform or even exclusive to the PS4 as well.

It really is your choice, last time I looked neither Microsoft, Nintendo or Sony has forced anyone to buy their consoles.

Looking at all the consoles and their games at the moment I still can't justify purchasing any of them although next year will most likely be different.

Automatic794226d ago

This article seems to try to put Xbox One down when we are hearing nothing but good news about Xbox One, MS, and the games.

TheXgamerLive4226d ago

Their needs to be an N4G judge and not of fanboys that can hault an idiotic post like this before its approved. Its obviously a butthurt fanboy and not an intelligent gamer/Author.
MS has don't nothing but positive moves for the past year and they've made the Xbox One a great console in many gamers eyes. Phil has been a godsend to the Xbox division and will continue to better it.

ipach4226d ago

MS had a one year head start and a much lower starting price for a whole additional year or more until Sony finally came around when it introduced the first slim. Sony never did catch up in the US though. Sony mainly caught up worldwide because it won over the rest of the world. Microsoft is going to have a much harder time following Sony's PS3 catchup roadmap... their best bet is to somehow re-dominate the US, probably with an aggressively priced slim model and lots of free games

Jaqen_Hghar4226d ago

Sony was never getting outsold if you lined up the launches though. Also Sony was $200 more and still sold more. This is a completely different case they were launched at the same time and now Xbox is cheaper

llxKonanxll4226d ago

Xbox never had a lead. They counted the RROD for xbox’s sold. It was sleazy .

Bzone244226d ago

Can you provide a link that has proof of this? Actual proof, not a site just saying it.

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llxKonanxll4226d ago

@Bzone

The 360 was released in 2005. The exchange program was implemented in 2007. My 360 broke early on; I called Microsoft and they said nothing could be done at that time. I was told to buy a new console. The failure rates were significantly high! I know MANY people who’ve needed to buy 3-4 condoles because of it. You’re being naive if you think otherwise.

Oh yeah. Because a company will just come out and say they’re stacking sales with faulty console re-purchases.

TheBlackSmoke4225d ago

@fleece

LOL, The PS1 and PS2 completely annihilated the competition in their times, there was never a conversation about which console sold more. Pointless comparision.

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MeliMel4226d ago

None taking.. people need to realise its a marathon not a sprint. Back in the days we never had these dumb sales, your in last place, whos in first, res this, 30 frames here..blah blah blah. ..we just gamed man..

ThatOneGuyThere4226d ago

it really wasnt that big of a lead. considering the PS3 wasnt even on sale.

nucky644226d ago

microsofts "huge" lead last gen due to a year headstart. once, sony launched, they consistently outsold the 360....and did so at a considerably higher price.
this gen, with MS and sony launching at the SAME TIME - there is no "huge lead" for the xbone..... and with sony having a better launch price (than last gen), they're outselling the one by a large margin.
what seems to be the problem for MS is the same problem that has dogged them since entering the console business: lack of high-quality first party content. they have great exclusives in forza, gears, and halo - but, not a lot more that has wide-spread recognition - and 2 of these 3 are shooters....and that hurts them in mass sales. sony has more first party houses....more exclusives....and more VARIETY of exclusives.
I think the one seems like a good product - but I don't think MS does a good enough job bringing exclusive, in-house software to their machine.......which leads to the sales difference. of course, there are those who will say "but ps4 hasn't had the games during the first year" - and this is true. however, the xbone certainly hasn't done a whole lot better. what helps sony is their history in the console business.... they (with the ps1/2/3) have created a brand that's shown they'll deliver the content....and it's this confidence that I think is driving sales.

Godmars2904226d ago

Think you're missing the point that it was MS who was caught up to after having an advantage. Now they're at a disadvantage and falling behind.

In all practical sense nothing has changed.

kparks4226d ago

Actually the motley fool is a pretty reputable bunch of guys with typically solid information.

kevnb4226d ago

they had a lead because they were out a year longer...

txboy054226d ago

The only reason why 360 had a huge lead was because it came out a year ahead. It had a 12 month head start. If ps4 wouldve had a 12 month head start this gen there would already be 17 million sold easily

ITPython4226d ago (Edited 4226d ago )

Why the 360 had a lead last gen:

1. Released a year early, and got many of the players who wanted to jump to next gen (most were PS2 players).
2. Was easier to develop for.
3. Positive reputation and strong popularity (mainly due to reason #1).
4. Big sales lead thanks to releasing a year early and because of the RROD
5. Was the console to play multiplat games on

Why the PS3 was able to catch up:

1. Had a more robust exclusive library that needed time to mature.
2. Hardware was quite a bit more powerful, and just needed time for devs to learn and adapt to.
3. Online service (PS+) grew to be better than XBL and offered gamers more bang for their buck

Now lets look at this gen, and why the PS4 is ahead:

1. More powerful hardware.
2. Easier to develop for.
3. Stronger exclusive library (MS is throwing in everything they have, while Sony is only just getting started)
4. Positive reputation and good word of mouth
5. The console to play third-party multiplat games on
6. Insane sales lead of almost 3:1, which grows larger each week

Why the XB1 won't catch up like the PS3 did:

1. Weaker hardware
2. Harder to develop for
3. Bad word of mouth
4. Overall weaker exclusive lineup for the consoles lifetime (exclusives have never been a strong point for MS).
5. Extremely pathetic sales numbers

The XB1 is doomed this gen, and doesn't have a chance to catch up like the PS3 did. Only way it can inch ahead is if MS really crunches down and releases tons of extremely good exclusives (that are truly exclusive), and I seriously doubt that will happen.

MysticStrummer4225d ago

Last gen MS launched 360 early, then once PS3 launched it outsold 360 pretty consistently from day one, with the exception of a few months here and there.

PS4 and XB1 launched at the same time, briefly sold at about the same pace, and then XB1's numbers dropped off drastically.

But yes it is too early to crown a champion. We have years to go.

I didn't hit agree or disagree. I just wanted to reply to the notion that what happened last gen is comparable to what's happening so far this gen.

Clarence4225d ago

Yeah thanks to that 1 yr headstart, RROD, and the PS3 higher price tag. Let's not forget that the PS3 also sold faster than the 360. Like I said toe to toe there is no way the Xbox will outsell the Playstation.

The brand is to strong.

S2Killinit4225d ago (Edited 4225d ago )

@ Neo (first comment)
i think there is a lot of differences here. First playstation has always been a stronger mark globally (its more recognized for example in some areas of the world), second, Sony was a WHOLE year late, giving MS a 2 million console lead, which they kept until Sony's first party was able to churn up game after game once the install base of the expensive console became large enough to sustain the cost of making games. (MS does not have such first party line up, they rely on purchasing 3rd party exclusives to bolster their lineups which means the longer into a generation we are, they more expensive it is for them and the less likely that they can purchase said 3rd party game) Usually MS wasn't concerned with this since by the time the install bases were too large to justify purchase of exclusivity, MS had already abandoned the core gamers (who had already bought into the system) for the casuals (MS's holy grail) This time around, MS is behind and PS4 is selling quickly, making it more and more expensive for MS to purchase 3rd party exclusives. So I really don't see MS closing the gap to much. Maybe toward the end of the generation when the consoles are dirt cheap some PS4 gamers will also buy xbones. But it won't be enough for MS to catch up.

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ChronoJoe4225d ago

Worth mentioning that Sony's PS3 actually outsold the 360 year on year after its launch. Microsoft had a huge lead because they brought their console to market a year sooner, that's not at all the same situation as Sony's PS4 lead this generation.

dmonee4225d ago

Deja VU isnt it! I Remember about those 7 or 8 years ago that Sony was all done and the PS3 is a failure. Look how it turned out. All in all I believe the Xbox 1 sales up to this point are on par with the 360 sales numbers. The X1 is doing well, Sonys numbers are outrageous, and will slow down. I expect the X1 numbers to boom this Christmas. I know I want one, and I already have a PS4.

Menkyo4225d ago

this gen wont go 6-7 years it will gp back to a 4-5 year life cycle most likely. Catching up once then Gen is over is pretty pointless. This gen will most likely remain a win for Sony all gen especially with sony rumored to be offering a better bundle deal than MS in the near future.

Spotie4225d ago

This gets a well said?

The situations aren't remotely the same, so why would you try to say that the same thing could happen?

No offense, but that's stupidity. And that so many agree with you is both baffling and depressing.

Anarki4225d ago

The only way the Xbox had more sales was because it released a FULL year before the PS3.

SpinalRemains1384225d ago

No.

They had a lead because they were alone in the marketplace.

Easy to outsell the PS3 when it isn't on sale yet.

Nothing is the same this time around.

medman4225d ago

@neonridr
It takes a real mo to say "didn't MS have a huge lead over Sony last gen" when that "lead" was caused by having a year plus launch window advantage and selling multiple consoles to the same consumers due to extreme red ring failure rates. Microsoft has no chance anywhere but the US and the UK, but is even losing there. It's over.

kurruptor4225d ago

Ps3 had a more powerful system, Blu-ray and better exclusives. MS gave up on 360 several years ago. That is how Sony caught up.

Xbone has no advantages over PS4, so nothing is going to turn the tide.

Seafort4225d ago

The only reason Microsoft had a lead last time was because they launched over a year earlier.

They have no such luxury this time and it shows.

Anyone can say they had the leading console when the other company hasn't even launched yet.

romancer4225d ago

Once upon a time, people played video games much more than they talked about them. Nowadays we have people who spend an inordinate amount of time talking about the business fortunes of console manufacturers.

Why should it matter in the least to a PS4 owner how Microsoft is doing?
I own both consoles, play both (with XBox getting the edge because of my longstanding XBox Live friends) but couldn't care less about market share or (regardless of market share) who made the most profit last month.

The rising price of consoles has tended to divide the market, whereas at one time it was commonplace for true gamers to own all 3 systems -- because they concentrated on the pleasure of the games.

ScamperCamper4225d ago

Microsoft needs a clean sheet. The console is bigger than some PCs. It can't even perform as a next generation console. Conclusion? Gamers are smart and voting with their wallets. If it was on par performance as PS4, I may have considered buying one.

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yarbie10004226d ago (Edited 4226d ago )

Congratulations - dumbest title of the day

2cents4226d ago

I think it's joint first place with this one:

"PS4 vs Xbox One: Sony’s in Trouble, Not Microsoft"

http://n4g.com/news/1617159...

a bit of tennis being played today me thinks.

Harold_Finch4226d ago

Sony is fine in terms of games. They have took a 1.2 billion dollar quarterly loss this year. The games are keeping them afloat.

Godmars2904226d ago

The PS brand is in trouble because its parent company is in finical trouble, whereas the Xbox brand is being supported by its financially stable parent company.

DarkOcelet4226d ago

Another one of those articles . Sigh .

SniperControl4226d ago (Edited 4226d ago )

Tit for tat me thinks, over the last couple of weeks, there have been loads of anti PS4 articles posted on here.

You are right though, these articles are getting pathetic now, i remember this website was all about games.

Fanboys will be fanboys.

BlackTar1874226d ago

This website was all bout games pre PS3 and Xbox 360

digim04226d ago

Both are winning. Sony has outsold Microsoft but Xbox One sales are still in the millions. I'm not saying that Xbox one is going to overtake Sony anytime soon, but I don't think appx. 5 million units sold inside of a year should be classified as a "lost cause."

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Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle35d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7735d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300040d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7240d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit40d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania40d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit40d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0740d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr40d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box40d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr40d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9540d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7240d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--40d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7240d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket40d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm40d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde40d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9239d ago (Edited 39d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_40d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted40d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit40d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9239d ago (Edited 39d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT40d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers40d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14940d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0739d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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