"How the hell did the PS3 dominate last gen? Even if you exclude the Wii the PS3 certainly did not dominate anything. "

Now I see you're just not intelligent. Obviously I was referring to the PSOne and PS2.

"Once again you fail to realize a console does not have to come in first to be successful."

When did I every say that, and once again you showing your lack of intelligence and comprehension. Letting your competition outsell you 2:1 when you share the majority of the same library of developers is not beneficial to your company in no way. Yes they may still be able to make a profit, but as I said once again, they run the risk of allowing Sony to have greater control over 3rd developers, who can choose between making an exclusive for the PS4 audience, or making an exclusive for half of size of the PS4 install base on the XBO. At the end of the day it's simple business.

"You know how Xbox could come out a loser making mistakes like doing a price drop when it is not worth the risk. If you think a price cut is going to close a gap let alone put Xbone on top you are mistaken."

As the person above said, so it's simply best to just let Sony beat the $#!^ out of them every week, for the next 5 years, constantly outselling them 2 : 1 on a normal week, and as much as 4 : 1 / 5 : 1 during big exclusives / AAA game bundles. You're ignorant.

And once again never did I say a price cut would close the gap, or put the XBO on top, it's simply needed to reduce the sales ratio in favor of the PS4 to something more manageable. At their current rate the XBO is on par to sell in to the 40 million range by 2020 if things don't change, meanwhile the PS4 is on schedule to reach 100m in the same time frame. Price drops are going to happen regardless, and unfortunately your simple mind can't comprehend that the XBO will have been on the market for 16 months before they have their first true price drop if they do it in March as I proposed, which should have been more than enough time to get production cost down to at least the $350 range.

"Yes, Live is of course beneficial for profit however it is not guaranteed nor is it only profitable."

Live is almost guaranteed, because you can't even play games on the XBO without the Day 1 patch, unless they've fixed that issue, which requires you to connect to the internet which means more than likely you're planning on playing online to begin with. And regardless there should be over 50 million XBL Gold users since the number was at 46 million in early 2013. Even if all those users are going for Black Friday Live prices of $30, that's still an average of $1.5 billion each year.

"Xbox and PS were continously posting losses all last gen, especially in the beginning."

The consoles were being sold at a loss, especially PS3 with it's Blu Ray drive and Cell Processor early on. Also the PS3 didn't have a subscription service until much later in the generation. In the case of the 360, it would have made a profit, but RRoD happened, MS spent stupidly high amounts of money on things that didn't pan out for them (GTA episodes DLC), and overall they used money that entire generation to try and take WW market share (which they did), and come in first in sales (which they failed). That's why that division wasn't as profitable as it should have been, but it still made a profit.

"You keep going on about this 2:1 ratio but fact is that will never happen in NA and the sales gap in the region have miniscule differences besides a couple titles particularly Ubi titles."

It doesn't have to happen in NA, because there's a near 10:1 ratio going on in JP, a 3:1 ratio going on in EU, and a near 2:1 ratio going on in RoW on a consistent basis. And most importantly what does limiting to NA sales have to do with the sales of these consoles, which sale across the world.

"You are deluded if you think 3rd party would go exclusive for free on PS4 and miss out on potentially half or more sales in NA. The only dev that would be swayed are JP studios and indies depending on their predicament."

First off, I already said all Sony really have to offer is marketing budget, so no I never said it would be free.

Secondly they wouldn't be missing out half their sales ore more, because to this day the majority of games have sold more than half their copies on PS4, when once again counting the World (once again what does limiting sales to US do, besides try to prove some irrelevant point).

PS exclusives / Timed exclusives
Finally JP studios are moving over to make PS4 exclusives (Bloodbourne, Ys, Persona, and more), Indies are moving over to make PS4 exclusives (No Man's Sky, and too many to list) , A ranked 3rd party developers are moving over the make PS4 exclusives (Wild, Everybody's Gone to Rapture, Hellblade, and more), F2P games are choosing PS4 (Deep Down, all the ones currently on it), many PC developers are choosing PS4 (Magika, Day z, and more), what is it that your simple mind can't seem to fathom. This is a nightmare situation for MS and Nintendo consoles.

"Far from it, You know MS had the same idea with the first Xbox and guess what it did not succeed and made MS lose like $4B. You know Sony took it a step further with the PS3 losing $250 each system and they had huge losses. Neither dominated those generations, yet you belief this time is different."

Once again why are you limiting sales to NA, when you clearly see WW numbers up there and knew that's what I was talking about to begin with. The original Xbox was a loss, because MS completely dropped support for the console to rush out the 360, since the PS2 was already over 30 million consoles sold, before the Xbox even got a good start in the first half of it's Year 1. The original Xbox was only on the market for 4 years, before MS dropped all support, yet it sold over 25m consoles, in comparison the 360 was at 37m in 4 years (in wayyyyyy more regions). The XBO is currently on track to sell worse than both of those console in it's first full year Jan. 1st - Dec. 31st (mainly due to lack of regions).

On top of that, unlike last-gen neither console was being sold at a significant loss, and after a couple of months both were making a profit on hardware, so yes things are different.

Even is MS do keep their US numbers the same (again with this US BS), that's about 40m consoles for PS4 and XBO, but then the PS4 sells 40m to XBO's 20m in EU, +10m to XBO's 1m in JP, +15m to XBO's 7m in RoW. Which puts the consoles at 105m for PS4 (at worst) and 68m for XBO, which again is the range I've been saying all along.

However, at the rate the XBO is currently selling, it's not going to make it without the biggest advantages the 360 had over the PS3.

1. Better Multipats (which isn't going to happen this gen).
2. Dominating the US market while PS suffered (which isn't going to happen this gen).
3. Being anywhere from $100 - $300 cheaper than the PS (which will never happen again to that degree, but they can still be $50 - $70 cheaper in an effort to keep price on their side).

I never said this was a doom and gloom situation. I simply pointed out what MS and Nintendo needed to do to maximize their potential profits for their consoles.

@Abizzel, chill out gaming brother. You wrote more here than the next 5 articles combined, it's not worth the stress.
OT, I'm enjoying my X1, hopefully sales continue good enough that the system doesn't tank and continues to receive 3rs party support and I will be a happy gamer this entire generation. On a side note, hopefully I can pick up a PS4 before Christmas, them exclusives look mighty impressive. This is the first generation I couldn't get both consoles at launch, it's been a long year!

Holy crap Abe you destroyed Funatic and Lawson.

Now I see why you have so many bubbles because you put fanatics in their place.

Well said on all of them.