Once you level 2 onward you get items delivered to you which you can get decrypted. Before the patch it was "rumored" the higher your level the higher the chance of a legendary/exotic; however post patch it's hard to say what part it plays outside guaranteed items delivered once you level.

I still did it for the free items since no one is gonna turn down free gear even if it's garbage 99% of the time - it's still materials.

@--Onilink--

The rare engrams that will be at least a rare -with a higher chance to be a legendary is only for rare engrams that are dropped after the patch.

I just leveled up to 17 cryptarch post patch and got a legendary chest piece for my hunter so maybe it's true.

Yeah, Crucible has been lagging really bad lately, but last night it was a lot better!

Glad to hear others were experiencing it too. I thought it was just my connection or something.

Lagging lately? It's been lagging since day 1, there's no way to gauge anyone's connection status in game and the number of times I've blasted someone only for them to die 2 seconds later is honestly ridiculous.

Can't have a PvP game without some kind of latency meter.

@busy
Last night, PS4 it was just this one guy

"The problem after this stays with materials, but, come on, if you want to have endgame fully upgraded gear, you can't expect to have it so easily..."

No. The problem is getting raid gear, since you can't hit level 30 without it. To give you an idea, I have something like 75 ascendent shards sitting in my bank with 3 characters at level 27+ plus (meaning I can get at least 6 ascendent materials a day unless they changed the daily heroics and 3 from public events from the post master.), but I only have a few chances of getting the armor I need. So if you have only one of that class, then you have approximately 7 changes per raid (though I've never seen the right Gorgon chest or the first chest give anything good, nor have I see Atheon give anything besides more cosmetic items [drop ship / shader / sparrow] and weapons, so this might just be 4), with an additional 5 if you're good enough / high enough to do the hard raid a week to get 4 specific drops. Having done this 5 times on my Hunter alone, I can tell you that RNG is not my friend.

Week 0* - Got to Atheon, got zero drops.
Week 1 - Beat it, got the sniper and chatterwhite.
Week 2 - Beat it, got the rocket and chatterwhite.
Week 3 N - Beat it, got the sniper, rocket and chatterwhite (true story).
Week 3 H - Got to Atheon before my team crapped out, got the chest piece.
Week 4 N - Beat it, got the scout rifle.

So if you average 3 ascendent materials per run and assume I got both at a perfect 50% ratio, then I got approximately 57 shards and energy and only need 72 to cap out a full set of legendary gear and an exotic. So needless to say, I was able to exceed the required number of shards well before I even got to the point where I could make the most of them.

* Forgot to sign out when the raid went live, so it counted for the previous week.

@admiralvic - Seriously?... you have three characters level 27+? Do you play the game in your damn sleep?

I have been playing the game since it released for 4-6 hours every single night... and I am only at level 25 with ONE character. And you say you have 75 ascendant shards? Which means you have leveled up every piece of armor and you have all legendary armor across your three characters... Wow man, are you some kind of freak of nature?

@ ITPython

Between the queens wrath, the fact that you can simply buy a full set of armor with 2 weeks worth of marks (so 8 days minimum), strange coins are pretty easy to get (even doing the 26 for two weeks is enough to get 12 strange coins plus the one you get from story would get you an exotic item from the weekend vender), you can get armor for other classes via engrams, is it really that shocking that someone could get 3 characters (especially when resources are pooled) to level 27+ in the period of 3 weeks?

If anything I find it impossible to believe you can spend 88 hours on couldn't find the time to get the resources required to hit at least level 26.

still just get rustburners all day for everthing i do :(

I don't mind getting less legendaries if it's consistent.

As I am my character is nearly maxed out. I am at 29 about 25% up to 30.

I do feel kind of selfish in that I don't want everyone running around with the same gear as me.

I just have a few exotics to collect and I will be complete.

my frustration right now is having 3 Sorus Regimes. I wish we could trade.

Maybe i've just been really lucky, but i'm lvl 25 and have gotten 3 purple engrams, all of which produced legendary items. This was before the patch. I hadn't experienced all this frustration.

***I think they should always reward top two players and keep the random rewards to the rest of the group.***

Again, disagree. This only serves to make the better players better. In a system where you want to balance skill with potential for gear, you do not want to continue to make the better players always better through rewards.

It seems harsh, but even with lesser gear/rewards, those better skilled players are still going to come out on top for accomplishing tasks (bounties and whatnot), leveling up, and in general increasing their crucible ranks.

As it is, it's an even playing field for everyone as lady luck determines who gets what.

And, as GiggMan pointed out, the Iron Banner event will serve to give those individuals who are truly better the chance to get the rewards they deserve in PvP without adversely affecting the ability for other players to still play and get rewarded in PvP even if they suck at it. Again, like myself.

Heck, if all I got from PvP was a less than 0.8 KD score and nothing else, I wouldn't even try. I'm already outclassed by people who have maxed stability auto rifles and have played every map so many times that they know every nook and cranny and can sneak up and one-shot me with a shotgun with less stress than I find in just trying to kill someone right in front of me with my crappy assault rifle (I swear I get one-shotted all the time and can't seem to spend less than 10 bullets to kill a single person).

***the probably is that people are joint games and literally doing nothing the entire round and getting rewarded for it. ***

Ah, yeah. They should have a system to detect if someone actually performs actions, such as shooting someone and taking control points or the like and making sure to reward only those who participate. Agree with this.

Moochers, bad. Bad players who participate, good.

@cgoodno

dont guarantee the top players gear. Maybe...I dont know...a crafting material or something random. Theres so much crap in the game, it would be nice to get a LITTLE something for winning. Glimmer, bonus XP, a virtual cookie, anything. As it stands, theres no reason to try.

I do agree with giving everyone an equal shot at loot, but common now, you should get rewarded for playing well.

You are referring to an extreme and very dumb way to make rewards.

No intelligent people ever said that bad PvPers shouldn't get loot at all, only that the top players should have more chance of getting something. It is a loot game that doesn't reward good performance. That's kind of absurd.

I'm another one who doesn't do to well in PvP when it involves K/D however I do contribute a lot towards the objectives. What I propose, the top 3 should have a pool between Strange Coins, Shards/Energies, and bonus Exp. The bottom 3 should have a pool between rare/legendary gear, with the more effort you put in (if your stats to get better) you have a higher chance towards exotics. The legendary/rare equipment should also be the type to actually help people get better, not to be used as substitute for people to be lazy.

The real problem is that there are many times when the top player gets NOTHING. That shouldn't be a Thing.

Regardless of what runner-ups get, the top player should ALWAYS get SOMETHING.

***dont guarantee the top players gear. Maybe...I dont know...a crafting material or something random. ***

That only means that top players remain at the top by both skill and gear. The problem is if the chance for quality gear, which requires crafting material to improve, is assured for top players, the level of difficulty will at the least remain the same if not grow.

The whole playing field is completely equal if everyone is limited by the same randomness of awards. It gives a chance for poor players to obtain a greater chance just as much as it gives the really good players a chance to continue to outpace the bad players.

The only way I'd see giving awards to the best players always is if there was a matchmaking system that placed people with similar KD ratios together rather than what is there now.

***The real problem is that there are many times when the top player gets NOTHING. That shouldn't be a Thing. ***

The top player always gets ranks and marks (up to their weekly limit). They also get medals that rank up their PvP points, which actually matter for obtaining exotic weapons.

There's one exotic weapon quest I have that requires me to have 25 more kills than deaths in PvP. I won't be getting that anytime soon and won't have access to the exotic weapon. That good player? They've got it done without any problem. And there are a lot of exotic weapons with these sort of requirements. There are also a lot of bounties that a good player can complete and I can't, let alone in much shorter period of time.

but surely the incentive is to play till you get good so you can then get the rewards?

If we reward you for being crap at the game how are you ever going to want to get any better?

I know people say it's just a game and it's just for fun, but still it's competitive and I can't think of any game that is competitive that rewards players for doing crap (apart from video games).

What they should do is have Ranked playlists for the competitive and an unranked playlist. The unranked playlist should hand out rewards up to the level of rare items. in this list anyone would just randomly get whatever.

The ranked playlists people should get the rewards randomly but with say a much higher chance of getting legendary etc if you are in the top 3 etc.

I know the challenge will be that people will abuse this system and you will get all the 12 year olds boosting etc to get legendary gear.

Still, just randomly giving stuff to crap players while the guy that carries the team gets nothing hardly seems fair to me.

@cgoodno

You say that there's no reason for bad players to try pvp if they aren't good and if the system were to only give out good loot, well then what the hell is the point in playing if you're a good player then? I consider myself good but only ever play pvp when a friend invites me or when I have an exotic bounty. There's no reason for me to play either, I get nothing out of it, not even the chance to get anything for my hard efforts. You might say crucible marks or bounties, but screw that crap,.with queens bounties and vanguard bounties,I have way more bounties than I know what to do with, and those are infinitely easier to get than crucible ones.

I agree that bad players should be encouraged to play more by getting better rewards, but good players should be as well. The best player should AT LEAST be guaranteed one strange coin, mote of light, ascendant energy or ascendant shard. The best player should ALWAYS get something of value for their hard work and talent, they didn't just start out amazing at it, they had to work hard and hone their skills to get good. Hard work and talent should be rewarded, not discouraged

***You say that there's no reason for bad players to try pvp if they aren't good and if the system were to only give out good loot, well then what the hell is the point in playing if you're a good player then?***

1. Bounties are completed faster and you can actually accomplish them all each day.

2. Leveling weapons faster by getting more kills with them. Faster than PvE even if you do the daily suggested PvP mode.

3. Gaining ranks faster (you can actually rank up all side factions so much faster than bad players).

4. Gaining marks faster.

All of that provides you with access to better gear faster as well as more options for gear by gaining ranks faster with secondary factions (Future War and so on).

You also will gain more points and achieve more PvP ribbons which also give you bonuses for access to new gear and more rewards for certain accomplishments. Check Bungie.net for the grimoire info on this.

I disagree cgoodno. At least 5 vendors in the tower sell full sets of legendary gear. Why put 5 vendors selling full sets? If you depend on rng to outfit yourself you're wasting your time. Everyone in my clan is above 26 none of us depend in rng for our end game gear. Later whenyou do get that gear and need to level it up you will need to deal wirh those vendors. Im lvl 27 and will be 28 before the week is out. Without the vendors I would still be a 23. Bang your head against the wall if you want but there is an easier way.

My cryptarch level is 13 and a half, with all the purple engrams I've had decrypted only 2 were legendary. That just doesn't seem reasonable. I don't mind finding fewer purples, but at least now they will actually be legendary.

@unholy

paying for a product, then not being pleased with said product literally has nothing to do with "entitlement". Learn what words mean before using them. Imagine getting a cheeseburger from mcdonalds, and they leave the cheese in a hidden location in your bag because they thought it was cute. When you complain to the manager, some asshole says "look at this entitled prick! he wants his cheese on his burger!". thats you right now. sometimes things are done a specific way for a reason. That said, I agree with the pacing of the loot as it stands. Theres no reason everyone should be maxed out super fast. Thats not what the game is about. However, pre-patch, turning in an engram was super disappointing ~98% of the time. When a game's reward system is almost always disappointment, its broken and should be fixed.

***At least 5 vendors in the tower sell full sets of legendary gear. Why put 5 vendors selling full sets? If you depend on rng to outfit yourself you're wasting your time. Everyone in my clan is above 26 none of us depend in rng for our end game gear.***

Yeah, you do. Strange coins, ascendant shards/keys. All dependent on RNG.

As you might note, I don't depend on RNG, but when I get a legendary, I don't want to be slapped in the face and told "sorry, screw you, someone else got this legendary but you get a green/blue piece of armor that is garbage to you."

And, again, it's not by spirit of design as the game was sold to us throughout development. Every single demo of the game was about finding awesome loot by defeating opponents. Every. Single. One.

You might even note from just six months ago where they were finding full weapons as drops and not engrams at all. The engram system was implemented on purpose, to make it so that people would have to play longer to get the gear that previously was designed to drop from opponents.

http://youtu.be/hRRKtkuOeig...

"You go out into the world to earn powerful weapons, cool armor, and combat abilities that change the way you fight."

Well, at least one of those is true.

It took me about a week playing and finally got a legendary maiqn weapon engram....of course it was turned to a rare :(

Strange coins yes but marks and rep can be earned and used without depending on rng. You can buy a full set of legendary gear with marks. No random drops required. Only Xur takes Strange coins. I dont dpend on rng for shards or energy. I buy and dismantle legendary weapons and armor for that. Again you dont have to depend on rng.

"Clearly your parents didn't teach you"

You know you lost, when you have to resort to this tactic.

Microsoft's money has nothing to do with Xbox.
Xbox is a money pit to them they would love to ditch but are after some ROI first.

Let's face it, Xbox is like a red headed stepchild that steals from you to buy drugs.

MIicrosoft is NOT XBOX. The current situation illustrates this. And Microsoft wants its ROI.

@Bathyj and daddy Satya has just force admitted Phil to rehab.

you know why MS has so much money, and it aint cause of the gaming xbox branch.

so lets not kid ourselves.

Xbox was shown to be more profitable than ps

@PhillyDownJawn not more profitable. More revenue with ABK acquisition but them going multiplat shows they are not making much profit

That's great for Xbox gamers ain't it that Microsoft are more wealthy than Sony. Is that really a argument use are using now lol?

Imagine me in my job. Arguing with a fellow security guard at another company. Hahah well the company I work for is worth £800m the one you work for is only work £600m!

Microsoft may have more money but Sony has the talented studios and the games to back up those studios.