yeah, i dont even care about the cave. It was obvious it was going to get removed and with good reason. They also mention they are working on making sure that other activities such as Strikes and Crucible are a better source of high level gear, which is the way it should be.

Same as you, im more annoyed at the Queen's change, since the missions (even though you could make them several times) were not exactly a walk in the park. It took me like 40min to complete one in mars because everyone there does Solar damage.

They could have just lowered the amount of shards to 1, or maybe just lower the chances of getting, but not outright removing it

It's probably because the Queens kill missions are the easiest way to get legendary gear. I've already completed 2 solo, if I had a fire team I'm sure I could have gone through the other 6 I have waiting in no time.

Yeah, I need so many shards it's ridiculous. This was helping out a lot. Bungie should've made a playlist that was for high level players to gain shards... Every time I do the weekly strike and the nightfall strike I get pissed because it keeps giving me ascendant energy instead of ascendant shards. This game is WAY to random in the way it rewards players.

Sigh~ Some people need to keep in mind that others play games differently and have very different circumstances that come into play. Like I want to see the post game content in Destiny, because I think all the stuff prior is fairly boring. In my own personal opinion, the weekly strike / nightfall / raid are far more enjoying than any other aspect to Destiny, because they have depth (those burns can VASTLY change both how I play and how you go about the mission) and offer a better experience than say doing the level 24 Vanguard strike, which is just the same strike at whatever level, but now it's level 24 and gives rare gear at the end.

Another thing to keep in mind is that some people can't play Destiny every day, but they can commit to playing it 10 hours in a day. However, based off how Destiny is designed, you would be getting significantly less reward by putting in 10 hour sitting than 5 2 hour sittings. So if you can something like put in a couple hours each day and buy all your gear via marks in 8 days, someone who can only put in like 10 hours twice a week is looking at maybe a month to hit the same point as you, even if they put in countless hours more.

That was ultimately the appeal of the cave. When you had nothing else to do (bounties were done, weekly / raid finished or no one on and daily completed), you could sit there and try to get some decent gear / level your current gear and progress in some way that wasn't just constantly running the same mission, which is logically just AS much of a grind / tedious, only not as effective.

TL;DR Some people have different circumstances and something like this made the game easier for them to get into. It also doesn't help that playing the game normally and grinding that cave aren't exactly different events once you finish all the special stuff for a day.

Spacing out our playtime of Destiny won't fix a risk-reward loop that is essentially broken ... it'll make it worse. The admiral is right.

I would like to play the damn game... I just want to play my damn game how I want to play.

I am sick of farming games and being told that I shouldn't be allowed to do that and eventually leading to the game being changed.

I hate when Devs tell me that they don't want me to play the game like that and take what I consider fun from me and give me what they consider fun. I'm looking at you Gearbox and Blizzard and now Bungie.

If the "new" loot drop rates or whatever they are going to do would REALLY make playing the game "More" fun then they wouldn't have to get rid of the loot cave (No one would use it if playing the game was more fun and offered better rewards, but it wont really which is why they still have to take the cave away)... It always amazes me how they talk about balance and not forcing a player to play one way or another when what they do is force you to play by their rules which change on they fly.

Its like being in a sand box and digging a hole and someone coming over filling it in and telling you that you can only build castles because that's more fun and what we made this sand box for. GTFO! I will play in the damn sand how I want! I was having fun digging a HOLE!

I knew I shouldn't have bought this game. I cant stand games where they release the game, I find something enjoyable and they nerf it to "Balance" things out. Everyone has the same opportunity, just because they choose not to that is fine but its not like they CAN'T.

Grinds my gears.

Not like I have an opinion or anything. XD

I wish I got one legendary engram a day. I have only ever got one legendary engram from a "Monster" and I have played plenty. I swear if I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any luck at all.

@ghost

That 1 legendary a day was an average I created based on my luck and my psn buddies luck because its not one a day for me either. I got one legendary drop today from the weekly heroic and one yesterday from the cave farming. 2 legendary from queen kill commands and about 3 legendary altogether from cave farming over 4 hours these past few days and 2 of those legends turned out to be motes of light.

Bungie removed our only way of farming legendaries without spending time and time repeating the same missions or strikes in hope even though we never get any really. It's like they took everything hated about MMOs nd roled them up into one game without giving us enough content to stop the game feeling so repetitive

Almost to that point myself brother.

Wow wtf? So, what, are we just supposed to kill the enemies and then walk around a barren wasteland?

If he paid $60 for the game let him have fun with it how he pleases.

^^^^

I pay my internet bill so let me comment how I please, not everything I say has to be taken so negatively

You have the right to say whatever the hell you want here but that does not mean whatever you say will be accepted or deemed positive. If you are oblivious to the possible reactions to the things you say it's your own fault.

Thats the problem... We arent saying you are having fun doing it or that you even have to. The point is I was having fun and they are saying I cant have the fun I was having.

I also don't see how standing in a spot killing enemies is any less exciting than running the same missions over and over. Both are extremely repetitive but the cave pay off is quicker so to me more exciting.

But its all a matter of personal preference and perspective.

That's not the point. It's REALLY NOT FUN, to play an hour of a strike over and over again and get NOTHING for it. Or just get one item that is no use to you. But farming somewhere and actually getting something there, a few things actually, can be quite a bit more fun of a grind.

Keyword being "will." I think it's great that Bungie wants to improve the game, but there NEEDS to be a give and take, but right now we just have the take. The last patch apparently fixed the cash farming method (not like cash was hard to get or even that important, but okay Bungie, GJ!) and this one apparently killed the loot cave and all we got in return was Bungie saying they would be doing something in the future.

This brings up a number of questions, namely, what does "soon" mean? Soon is a conceptual term and could easily mean a few days to something much longer depending on the person. Not to get into the semantics of what conceptual terms mean, but I figure the update is coming later than sooner (probably something more like the auto rifle nerf that says "Expect stability and/or damage adjustments to the Auto Rifle to address this in the weeks ahead") as it would make more sense to increase the rates when removing the cave if they wanted it done fast and the update to go over better.

Sadly, right now we just have a promise that things will improve, though we don't know when or even by how much. Like they could double the chance of getting a legendary on a blue engram (so like 1% becomes 2%) and most people won't notice the change. But what we can say for certain is that one of the best grinding spots is gone and all we got to replace it was a vague "we'll get to it," when lets call a spade a spade and say that they should be focusing on say balancing the shotgun (like they claim they're going to be) instead of making sure people can't farm materials. There are bigger fish to fry and it seems sad that their focus is on stuff like that.

You must've skipped the part where I said it's the same 20 or so missions every time? Even if they do give us "more" we'll all just get bored before we get legendaries!

If they fixed the loot system then they wouldnt need to fix the cave. Fixing the cave is because no matter what they do it wont make the rest of the game any more fun so people would still use the cave.

How is running and grinding any more fun than standing and grinding? One takes more effort and pays off less and offers less fun to me.

This can't be true. They only bought Starfield...

Yeah, I thought it out. I'm not sure you did. But since we are buddy's now, you're welcome.

Xbox is dead all that money doesn't help.

What has work out well? It sure as hell had nothing to do with Xbox.

That isn't because of Xbox though. This is a gaming page, not an I get supplemented by father Windows page