Look I know Vgchartz is garbage when it comes to reliability, but if you are going to bitch about them because they are saying Xbox one out sold PS4 at least don't lie about what they have for PS4 total sales. They currently have the PS4 at 10.2 mill. so what the hell are you bitching about? did you even go to there home page or are just going by ear say??

Yep it's strange how hip hop gamer got banned for not being a credible source as the mods told him, but known fake numbers and xbox site vgchartz doesn't get banned.

It wasn't when I viewed it. Also interesting according to cache on 29 Aug 2014 14:26:24 GMT it was 10,050,258

So it went down magically.

http://webcache.googleuserc... http://www.vgchartz.com/wee...

Lmao THIS! they want the numbers to be wrong so bad. Didn't even look at the site! That said VGshart isn't reliable for NPD

Well, it's just that there is not an ounce of statistics on VGChartz. They simply make up numbers and then change them (sometimes, mostly they just leave it be) if real information emerges somewhere else.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I could have sworn both MS and Sony don't release their digital sales data.

I tried to find any kind of statement on digital sales on either one, but google isn't really helping. So I don't see how it could be easy for you to say this when I can't find anything. Mind giving me a link.

I tried to do a comparison to see if there truly is a bias with vgchartz, but MS never posted their current sales figure for Halo 4, only current sales figure I can find for the game all come from vgchartz.

But what I did see is that they only used retail data for their sales figures, not retail and digital like you claim.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/0...

Look at the bottom asterisk.

I kept digging for data, this isn't the latest up to date sales figures, but this does indeed show a bias.

http://www.videogamer.com/x...

They reported saying "Halo 4 has sold approximately four million copies worldwide, according to the latest franchise sales figure published by Microsoft."

This article was published on December 6th, 2012.

Looking at vgchartz sales data around the same date they have over tracked it by over 1 million. Looking at the closest dates which are Dec 1st and Dec 8th.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

So shouldn't it be the other way around according to what you said? Seeing as MS would have combined both retail and digital sales? But somehow vgchartz has the sales over 1 million over what MS reported?

Can you explain this one?

As I pointed out in the news.xbox article, they sited they only used retail sales, not a combination of retail and digital. You said "What annoys me is how easily this information is available" can you please link me to those policies in which you are talking about? I had no luck finding those policies.

So what is the point in VGchartz even existing if they only ever "estimate"? That is why we have Mediacreate (Japan) and NPD (USA) for sales figures, those are accurate official sales. Thus nullifying the point in having a website that only estimates and then changes those estimations to what NPD and Mediacreate have reported.

For small titles, yes I can agree they can help fill in the gaps, but at the same time they can be terribly wrong with those numbers. Just by looking at the TLoU and Halo 4 sales figures I pointed out.

How can "they" rely on estimates when the sales are coming directly from Microsoft? Also they did state when the sales came from, "In a press release issued today" and that article was from Dec. 6th 2012. Meaning, MS has gotten the sales since the launch of Halo 4 till that date. So it cant get anymore exact than that.

If you look up VGChartz's methodology you'll see that they track retail. I gave you the link, and at what place is it more logical to provide that information than under "About us" or "methodology"?

I also gave you the explanation as to why they exist: To provide numbers quicker and to provide numbers that otherwise wouldn't be provided at all. NPD and Media Create provide the numbers for the most-selling North American and Japanese market, with some delay. For nearly everything else, there's VGChartz.

And yet again, The Last of Us could very well be accurate, because they track retail - not downloads. A number, btw, which isn't guaranteed to be released at all.

I mean, if they really did track digital sales, then why not update their number? They've already acknowledged that the total sales exceed 7 million:
http://www.vgchartz.com/art...

So much for Xbox fanboyism (nevermind the ridiculous notion that someone would root for Xbox so much that they'd change the numbers).

"Meaning, MS has gotten the sales since the launch of Halo 4 till that date. So it cant get anymore exact than that."

That's an obvious fallacy. Gathering information and feedback from stores takes time. You don't get everyone to release their exact sales data at the same time and then have it ready the same date. The press release could have been recent, but the data can't have been. More exact data takes more time.

haha, true, mystery is solved, I guess.

@YodaCracker, this over tracking of ps4 has just started on vg chartz because they undertracked ps4 by so much and overtracked x1 by so much they have just started to try and get the numbers right , hell they where undertracking ps4 by 30-50,000 globally before sony announce the 10 million mark. but don't worry vg chartz is quick to fix over tracked ps4 numbers . hell they still haven't fixed the 300,000 undertracked adjustment on august 9th http://www.vgchartz.com/wee...
so ps4 is actually at 10.5 million as of the 23rd.

I initially replied to explain the laughability of your blissful ignorance, and then I realized you aren't blissfully ignorant at all.

You're just refusing to accept what everyone knows, and what the VG Chart creator has even gone on record stating in a public forum; that is to say he has been cooking the numbers in favor of MS, and radically under tracking everything SONY since day 1.

@SpinalRemains138 Even I agree that VGChartz habitually overtracks XB1 and undertracks PS4, but could your comment have been any bigger a strawman argument? If you want to make a point how about supplying actual data to support what you are saying instead of discrediting yourself with immature insults?