The Super Smash Bros. scene has been growing more and more lately, and Smash 4 seemed to steal the show this year during E3. However, it seems that some hardcore Melee fans are already writing off the newest installment of the Smash series. To understand why, you’ll need a bit of history.
NetherRealm confirms its Mortal Kombat franchise has sold over 80 million copies in the last 30 years, and here's how it competes against other fighters.
Don't care what anyone says, Smash isn't a traditional fighting game. May as well call Powerstone and Playstation All Stars fighting games. They're more of an arena fighter /party game.
You don't have to care what anyone says. It's not a traditional fighting game. But it is a fighting game.
Not according to the creator, Sakurai. Link below
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I mean what makes them an arena fighter than say something like Tekken? Because there’s platforms?
because theres a bunch of pokeballs and other random stupid stuff on stage that you can use at your advantage and flying ultra super power ball that you got to chase on the stage to get your ougi LMAO.
@NatsuXTheMaxspeed21
I mean what it sounds like is they took a fighting game and “added” unique mechanics to it to me.
When I think arena game I think of things like Spawn: In the Demon’s Hand or Virtual-On.
Smash to me is a fighting game, they have fighting game tournaments for it. It just doesn’t jive with me to call it “not a fighting game” because you have poke-balls and platforms or because it has 4 players at once duking it out.
Power Stone I’d consider a fighting game as well. Hell, if you google what it is everyone calls these games “fighting games”. So yea, they’re fighting games…
oh its a racer but its not a realistic one like GT or Forza. only kids check for mario kart and smash .
I didn’t say it was realistic. I said racing game. Does Burnout not being realistic make it not a racing game?
What does a demographic have to do with a genre? Do kids playing CoD make it any less an FPS? You see how ridiculous bringing up that subject is?
Nobody said it was a traditional fighter. Everyone acknowledges it as a platform fighter
PSASBR & Power Stone are fighting games, the former being a platform fighter and the latter an arena fighter
Because if cute and lovable characters are fighting it's not a fighting game? XD As long there's a versus fighting, it is a fighting game.
Including Smash Bros in a list of fighting games, is like including GTA in Racing games.
I hate to break it to you but smash bros has fighting game tournaments so it qualifies.
"and here's how it competes against other fighters"
No, Mortal Kombat doesn't compete with games like Smash Bros? It's a different genre for a different audience.
Anybody can host a tournament in their garage it doesnt mean it qualifies.
I'm going to assume you're not part of the FGC. However, I am, and I can tell you that there is a ton of overlap between people who play smash competitively and those who play other fighting games competitively.
Now for casuals, there is a lot less overlap between the two for sure.
While technically true, Leffen comes to mind, FGC and Smash community have always had a rocky relationship.
And yet, If Smash Bros was over 80 million, you wouldn't be complaining. On the contrary, you would be bragging about it.
Bad comparison. You do a LOT of things in GTA outside of a car while fighting is what you’re mainly doing in SSB
Yeah, that's a good point. Most of these games have parts to the franchise outside of traditional fighting games.
Like for example, with Mortal Kombat, do Special Forces, Mythologies: Sub: zero, and the Kollection count?
With Tekken does death by degrees or the tag tournament games count?
With Street Fighter, are we counting all the iterations of 2, 3, and 4? how about the ex series or alpha series?
There are a lot of variables at play here
Even after including Tekken Tag, they have less titles compared to all MK and SF games.
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Kim writes: "Super Smash Bros. will not be shown at Evo 2022, this year's biggest fighting game event. The Sony-owned sports organization announced the loss of the platformer in a statement on Twitter today, and seemed to blame the decision on Nintendo, which has historically tried to control how their games appear in the wild."
Yeah I'm supposed to believe that Nintendo who has been apart of Evo since 2007 up and leaves after Sony acquires Evo is just a coincidence. Yeah okay.
pretty sure Sony would allow them to compete. But nintendo has seen all smash bros tourneys as free advertisment from the community, instead of providing setups/games etc they demand that you play their adds on the tourney and put up posters with their newest game instead of actually supporting the competitive smash scene. They just piggybank off them. Now that Sony runs it they wont get free advertisement over there, thus fuck over their smash community by not allowing having it at EVO.
Huge loss for Nintendo, could have been huge PR for Smash and to further the titles reach and to gain even more players but Nintendo is happy to let it slip into nothingness. No new content is coming to Smash so literally all it has left is potential tournaments.
In away this hurts Nintendo Smash Bros has some dedicated fans. What better way to help build hype and sell more of the game then showcasing it at EVO.
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They wanted more control, which led to starting up their pro circuit. We'll see if it works out.
EVO's recent troubles probably played a part in the decision, but my bet is that they were planning this for awhile.
Because it's Nintendo, they just don't get it. They are so ass backwards. At this point, they deserve to get left behind by everybody else. The only reason why they remain relevant is because they appeal to nostalgia.
@Neonridr
I never said they are left behind, I said they deserve to be. Nintendo hasn't done a single positive thing for gaming for a very long time now.
They are anti consumer, release weak and overpriced hardware and shit out the same games to appeal to nostalgia. They don't put any effort into their "remasters" they go after fans for making fanmade games, they go after emulation when they don't give a damn about their older games.
They charge to play online for the Switch after it was free for a year and are behind every single company when it comes to online infastructure. They make it difficult to back up save games. They lock content behind those crappy Amiibos. They sell cardboard to people because they are too cheap to develop actual good hardware to go alongside their console. They go after people streaming Nintendo games.
I would argue that Nintendo are less consumer friendly than the likes of EA, and that's saying something.
They just announced 48 new Mario Kart tracks for free with the expansion pass, that’s a whole new game for free.
You must have missed that one.
@whitbyfox
"Included with the expansion pass" is not free. It's part of what you're paying for with your subscription fee. I get people try to call things included in subscriptions free to help rationalize costs involved with this subscription heavy model that has taken over, but the addition of something in a pretty unanimously agreed upon to be an overpriced subscription isn't Nintendo being nice; they're trying to incentivize people to finally see the cost of the expansion pass as a good value. In this case though they already established the cost of permanent ownership, which I'm sure was forced low to not over value the subscription, so you know that pack is actually worth $25. It's not free in any sense of the word, and Nintendo is only trying to do themselves a favor with this move.
@luckytrouble
We never knew we were getting the Mario Kart tracks, we thought we were just paying for the N64 Megadrive and Animal Crossing DLC so it’s free to me.
IMO, it's a minority of the Melee community that is writing off the game, right now.
Just the fact that it's got hitstun and higher speed was enough to endear a lot of players to it, and the pros that played at the E3 tournament walked away with more praise than criticism for the game.
In the end, there's always going to be elitists, but since their numbers are much smaller for this entry than they were for Brawl, I think Smash 4 is going to find a more-than-comfortable place amongst the fans.
And a major part of that is going to be due to the customizable movesets.
You just KNOW that the competitive Smash community is going to go through all those options, over and over and over, with a fine-toothed comb to see what is and isn't tournament viable, then design tourneys around allowing different sets.
It's going to be an awesome time that only the minority of haters will miss out on.
This article is one point.
I'll still play it, but my expectations just aren't high having played Brawl.
It's not that I don't have faith in Sakurai, it's just that it's nearly impossible to trump a perfect game.
A game that is today officially an eSport.
A game that has received perfect 10's in review scores.
A game that was the best selling title on the entire GameCube platform.
A game that is still being played today despite it's release in 2001.
A game that has people yelling their lungs out because they can't contain the hype of seeing high level competitive play.
A game that was "catered towards those that are well-versed in videogames." - Masahiro Sakurai.
Sometimes it's better to just set your expectations low so you won't get disappointed.
How do you beat a perfect game?
Paper Mario hasn't seen a solid entry ever since TTYD on the GameCube.
Kirby games are still great, but in my book, Super Star on the SNES will never get trumped.
There is a limit.. never set a perfect game as your standard, because perfect games come out only once in a while.
I loved the original and i loved melee.
Brawl felt more like a step back but, smash 4 is a step forward for both competitive and casual smashers