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Destiny’s Friends-Only Raid Solution

Bungie's 'friends only' raiding isn't a terrible decision, it's a masterful one.

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XBLSkull4308d ago (Edited 4308d ago )

I just hope you can make private games. The whole time me and my buddy were playing we were both complaining about random people running around ruining it for us.

The multiplayer also left a lot to be desired, its not nearly Halo caliber and felt very generic, class C experience.

hakeem09964308d ago

it's a damn MMO ,why would they give you the option for private games?

King_of_Nothing4307d ago

You must be new to gaming. Thats not how MMO's work.

Volkama4308d ago (Edited 4308d ago )

It's great if you have friends, or if you're comfortable making friends online. The best online experiences are with friends, having fun on the comms. That is the epitome of social gaming.

It also means that content can be tuned to be a bit tougher, to require communication.

But for some people it just means they will never see that content.

Personally I used to make friends online with no effort. I ran a quake 3 clan, and mmo guild, and made real friends all the time. For some reason these days I cannot do that, i have retreated from talking to anyone I do not know. Fortunately I know several people that will be playing destiny :-)

FanboyKilla4308d ago

@hakeem0996 i wouldnt call six players running around on a map a mmo. the only thing massive about destiny is my disappointment for the game.

xboxskull hit the nail on the head.

we are going to see how masterful it is, when there is one guy standing there alone and cant play. who wants to recruit people to play a game with them. now im putting random people on my list just to play. thats what matchmaking is for. defeats your purpose bungie. im still not playing with friends they are random people cluttering up my friends list.

what happens when my friends decide they are bored? do i go make new friends? no, i go play with others who want to play. i mean i need someone to play the game with, when i find someone i doubt we will become friends. masterful? or maybe a mistake?

lol we are all guardians or something like that, fighting against the fallen or something like that, but then we all get together and kill each other. wtf sorry bungie you dropped the ball. hince your tweets and comments, trying to reassure us. you put out a beta, no need for your words. your game should say it all, and believe me it does. hype train derailed.

Battlefieldlover4308d ago

Ya forget about the space you share with thousands of players,

I must admit i didn't read ur book on why you hate destiny. Odd article to be in then ant it? Prolly has something to do with you having no bubbles. Thank god i only have to see your stupid spewed once.

Gozer4308d ago (Edited 4308d ago )

I don't mind the friend requirement for raids. But I have at least 40 people on my friends list, some of which I made during the beta.

My suggestion to people that think they will have trouble getting enough people for raids is simply network a little. I don't know about the ps4, but the X1 has enough social features that you can get to know people if you try a little. Or try joining a gaming forum, and just let other members know that you are looking for players. Or even start a clan that revolves around your needs. You would be surprised at the amount of people looking for the same thing. You cant grow a friendship if it doesn't start somehow.

For all the dads out there working, and taking care of their kids. You might find what you are looking for here-
http://www.bungie.net/7_Com...

JeffGUNZ4307d ago

I joined a clan for the xbox one on the destiny site. Got several friends on my list there and I met a few guys yesterday playing titanfall who are just killing time till Destiny. So, it's doable, but I don't see the harm in making the matchmaking optional. If you have friends, great, then it doesn't apply to you.

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-Foxtrot4308d ago

" If you don’t have 5 friends that you can count on, to help you complete a raid then you need new friends "

But not everyone has 5 friends who own the same consoles and own the game.

You should never force someone to make friends in a GAME just to experience a mode.

It was like Portal 2, I don't see why I had to be forced to play with someone else to experience the other half of the game.

I mean look at Borderlands or L4D, they are co-op built up games but you can play them as single player games. They don't force you to play with other people...not everyone wants to be social.

People like choices

JoeIsMad4308d ago

I think that you can find 5 people that you want to play with in-game, and become friends. Bungie is encouraging making friends instead of making enemies in shooters.

-Foxtrot4308d ago

The thing is though that sounds like one of those things you would see for a games promotional trailer where they all make friends, get along, help each other and are organized right down to the last detail when going into battle....in reality however nobody is like that.

I think they need to realise not everyone is social and wants to make friends in a game...enough to be all buddy buddy to play on Raid mode together.

People just like to play through a game in peace and quiet after a long days work/college etc. I know it's an online game but they have promised on several occasions you can play the FULL game by yourself without bugging anyone.

JoeIsMad4308d ago

Fox, I think that this is going to work exactly like WoW. If you just want to play and have fun, that's going to work for everyone. You can do your solo thing, but you'll have to accept that you simply can't get the things that are in end-game raids.

PVP doesn't require you to have the best gear, so you can take this to the same level that most people play CoD - multiplayer solo all day and that's great. Those who want to socialize will prosper in the PVE and complete the game for all of its gear and lore.

You'll still get all the main story, just like those who play MMO titles can alone, but you won't experience all there is to play. At least adding people to your 1,000 person friends list on Xbox One or PS4 will allow you to know how good your 'friends' are before jumping into a raid and being drug down by a random player.

If you're all bad, that's OK, and everyone will laugh and have a good time. if you're all great, the same is true. I already have a fireteam of 3's and 6's ready to go, and if they aren't available, I'll add people in PVP matches that play on my level for Pick-Up-Groups. I think it's a fine system.

Dark114308d ago

I agree .. No Raid Matchmaking = no buy.

JeffGUNZ4307d ago

That's drastic. I really think they will patch it in when they see the amount of people playing to the amount of people doing raids.

SINISTERGENESIS4308d ago (Edited 4308d ago )

Agreed and most of my friends have jobs so it's really a pain in the ass to have to sync up every time I feel like doing a raid mission, also sometimes I'm up playing around 2am while others are sleeping etc... Too many factors happen to make co op like that overly complicated , simple fix is to make raids more convienient is to have matchmaking for those missions as well bottom line.

Shadonic4308d ago

forgot about the late into the morning players. I had a friend who would be on well until like 6am on just gears. I'm probably all defensive of the no matchmaking decision as it brought back memories of preparing for Hoard mode and gathering friends and randoms from online. Maybe a Matchmaking is needed though.

Shadonic4308d ago (Edited 4308d ago )

I made about what 8+ new friends from adding friends of friends on Destiny and randoms as well so I'm set not to mention I have big enough balls to ask people online if their up for a certain mission or something else. I did it in the Beta asking people if I could join their party and they became my friends in less than 3 minutes.

Its not like their being asked to perform the trails of Hercules just to get a raid going. The thing is that for Portal 2 it wasn't some mass hybrid between an FPS and an MMO with other players popping in around you in hub areas meant for showing off an socializing a bit. Borderlands and L4D are no different as you can do activities like exploring and what not alone in Destiny the thing is that the raids like on MMO's are Made to be played with by other players and prove to be a challenging experience, even if you could play alone your going to get destroyed.

If you dont have 5 friends it doesn't mean you cant make em, dont like to do it through PSN ? theres at least about 100+ sites that at the least provide ways for people to group up for certain activities pertaining to Destiny. Personally if its added its going to take away from some of the excitement for the preparation. Maybe its because of those videos detailing how Raids usually go in a MMO

-Foxtrot4308d ago (Edited 4308d ago )

"Its not like their being asked to perform the trails of Hercules just to get a raid going."

Well to some it is because as people and myself have mentioned above your friends might not have the same console as you, they might still be on last gen hardware, they might have different sleeping patterns, they might work at different times or they might just want to play alone...hell what if they don't like FPS or the game it's self. It's a lot of hard work just to play a mode.

People are less willing to make friends in the game, people don't like strangers, we don't know each other and people can be unpredicatable. I like the look at the game but I don't want to use my headset to talk to people, I just don't like that sort of thing, I usually just mute people when in online games

"The thing is that for Portal 2 it wasn't some mass hybrid between an FPS and an MMO"

True but my point with that if your paying for a game you shouldn't be forced to play with other people just to play the other half of the game. Portal 2 for me was done wrong because of this as they were in a unique posisition...the developers were Valve, these guys shit money so it's not like adding co-op was a way to gain a bigger audience.

Valve could of easily added the co-op story AFTER they made the single player game. The DLC would of been free anyway and they did this with some co-op DLC to expand the missions. They had to cut the story in half because they wanted to add co-op so in my opinion if they made the game with the full story they had and THEN add the co-op after the main game is finished and out the door then both sets of audience would of won.

"even if you could play alone your going to get destroyed"

But isn't it up to Bungie...the developer to make it so they COULD be done as a single player thing. It would be a little harder but they have a number of ways to get around that. They could provide better weapons for you, provide temporary stats upgrades, reduce enemies, tamper with the AI or hell just kick it down a notch in terms of difficulty so it suits how many players there are. It's not impossible for them to do, everything is possible you just have to find a way and experiment.

Raids might be done like that in other MMO games but this is Bungies chance to break the mould, do something different and make their version of it. It's not a full on MMO so it's not like they have to follow the rules.

If they spent a little time catering it for solo players would it ruin the game for those who find 5 friends to play with?

theDivision4308d ago

I agree people love choices and Can definitely agree with your points they are quite sound. I should not be forced to make new friends just to experience a part of the game.

Shadonic4308d ago

"But isn't it up to Bungie...the developer to make it so they COULD be done as a single player thing "

Yea of course but when the entire gamemode is built upon the idea of grouping up with either longtime friends or some random dude who had some sexy ass loot and going through some extremely difficult 6 hour plus long mission for some incredibly rare and extremely hard to obtain gear or weapon. We're still unaware of what Raids like the "Vault of Glass " holds in terms of challenges and how its designed. Again something we will have to wait and see before we fully judge, they could most likely implement a single player option, thought I honestly wouldn't see the reason for it in the least if your already far enough into the paying for the online service to play the game region. It honestly depends upon just how these raids are designed considering what we know so far its built upon team work I wonder how much would need to be taken away or edited just so that a player could traverse alone.

I'm honestly getting the vibe that you wish that Destiny was a purely Single player endeavor, this gen seems to be sort of bonkers restricting last gen staples like in game voice chat which made processes like meeting other gamers while pushing more co-operative play.

Yes not everyone wants to meet and chat with other gamers and make friends on the 50 dollar online subscription service they use but me and many other gamers do want to experience instances brought on upon that communication. I personally felt as though any game I played had a more lively and long lasting community because of voice chat and that social interaction.

Gonna stop rambling sorry basically that social interaction between some strangers could be a huge plus to you your a stranger to them as well, you should give it a try sometime, if you had a PS4 I would invite you to come play with me and my friends on Destiny if you get it. At the least the game needs some sort of chatting system to interact with other players in a more fluent fashion and matchmaking, possibly implement some sort of planned raid thing that could be sent out to your friends through Facebook or something.

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Kane224308d ago

I shouldn't have to play with others to experience the whole game. Its like punishing people for not wanting to socialize. I hate forced features. You don't have to co-op but expect not to "enjoy" the full game..........

Si-Fly4308d ago (Edited 4308d ago )

Maybe you should spend your money on a different game.

DarkOcelet4307d ago

Exactly bubble up for well said ...

Rhezin4308d ago

not everyone of those friends are going to be online playing the same game when you are, it's a foolish decision. I'd rather have matchmaking.

anwe4308d ago

I agree. It already exists for strike missions, not allowing it for raids is just silly.

JoeIsMad4308d ago

Why don't you add the people who you play in strike missions with? Make friends. It's easy.

DarkOcelet4308d ago

I still think that was a bad decisions from them , and they will patch it when people complain about it , you will see .

JeffGUNZ4307d ago

Exactly this. Their is not way this won't be patched. To find people who are all on at the same time is tough. What happens if those friends you made have like 10 other friends. You sign on 5 minutes past everyone and they have a full team raid already started, now you're screwed for a few hours. Just add matchmaking, what's the harm? If you have a team, then you're fine. If you don't, then you have matchmaking.

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Star Wars x Destiny Collaboration: Gear & Cosmetics Launching February 4th

Destiny 2 x Star Wars collaboration is here! Get exclusive gear, cosmetics, and accessories when Heresy launches on February 4th. Don’t miss it!

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coolbeans484d ago (Edited 484d ago )

Fortnite-ification comes for all live-service games.

Neonridr483d ago

now this is an armor set done right.

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Destiny Mobile spin-off will reportedly be revealed very soon

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Xbox Passed On Destiny & Guitar Hero According To Phil Spencer

Phil Spencer talks candidly about missing out on both Destiny and Guitar Hero

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anast632d ago

He paid billions for Starfield. This should be the real story.

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Sciurus_vulgaris632d ago

Microsoft bought all of Zenimax Media for 7 billion, while Sony paid 4 billion for Bungie. I think Microsoft got the better deal due to acquiring Fallout, ElderScrolls and Doom.

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anast632d ago

This can't be true. They only bought Starfield...

InUrFoxHole632d ago

@anast
Should've thought that one out buddy, lol.

anast632d ago (Edited 632d ago )

Yeah, I thought it out. I'm not sure you did. But since we are buddy's now, you're welcome.

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anast631d ago

"Clearly your parents didn't teach you"

You know you lost, when you have to resort to this tactic.

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Profchaos632d ago

So you're saying that Microsoft has missed out on so many huge gaming franchise in the last 25 years from GTA exclusivity to guitar hero and destiny it's just laughable they had so many misses

Reaper22_632d ago

Yea, but they're still 100 times more wealthy than Sony. I would say it worked out well.

Gamingsince1981632d ago

Xbox is dead all that money doesn't help.

Hypertension140632d ago

What has work out well? It sure as hell had nothing to do with Xbox.

andy85632d ago

That isn't because of Xbox though. This is a gaming page, not an I get supplemented by father Windows page

Bathyj632d ago

Microsoft's money has nothing to do with Xbox.
Xbox is a money pit to them they would love to ditch but are after some ROI first.

Let's face it, Xbox is like a red headed stepchild that steals from you to buy drugs.

Hofstaderman632d ago (Edited 632d ago )

MIicrosoft is NOT XBOX. The current situation illustrates this. And Microsoft wants its ROI.

@Bathyj and daddy Satya has just force admitted Phil to rehab.

gold_drake632d ago

you know why MS has so much money, and it aint cause of the gaming xbox branch.

so lets not kid ourselves.

PhillyDonJawn632d ago

Xbox was shown to be more profitable than ps

jznrpg631d ago

@PhillyDownJawn not more profitable. More revenue with ABK acquisition but them going multiplat shows they are not making much profit

ocelot07631d ago

That's great for Xbox gamers ain't it that Microsoft are more wealthy than Sony. Is that really a argument use are using now lol?

Imagine me in my job. Arguing with a fellow security guard at another company. Hahah well the company I work for is worth £800m the one you work for is only work £600m!

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Knightofelemia631d ago

Microsoft may have more money but Sony has the talented studios and the games to back up those studios.

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Chevalier631d ago

Plus turning down Marvel too. Spiderman is only exclusive to Playstation because of that

Hedstrom632d ago

Best deal deal in gaming must be when Sony bought Insomniac for 229 million dollars. They made over 800 millions on Spiderman for the ps4 alone. Thats just crazy!

XBManiac631d ago

More in the 1.000 million now.

gold_drake632d ago

another Interview?

how is he the only one who loves the spotlight as much as he does lol

Futureshark631d ago

Let's not forget he also famously passed on Spider-man, Genshin Impact and GTA3.

However it's almost kind of cute how he can keep that sh1t-eating grin and say he's a 'no regrets' kind of guy, especially when you think how much just these 5 titles could have swung the world in Xbox's favour instead of Sonys.

How he's kept his job I don't know, he must sure be keeping Papa Nadella's shaft warm somehow.

"But, but Gamepass, he introduced that!!!"

Yes he did, and now look at Xbox, all it's exclusives are coming to Playstation now rendering the platform obsolete.

DarXyde631d ago

Honestly, with that kind of track record, you can't convince me Spencer hasn't eaten it from the back in the name of self preservation. Probably unwashed...and at least twice.

That aside, my interpretation of everything here is Xbox has been mismanaged a bit too much and Nadella came down from his throne. The way it is now, I don't believe for a minute the multiplatform move was Spencer's idea. I don't even think the acquisitions was Spencer's work. At this point, I reckon he's got as much power in his role as Hunter Biden at a Ukrainian energy company.

DivineHand125631d ago

You can never tell how things will turn out if he had said yes to those games. Xbox already has access to some great IPs, however, they hardly do anything with them or fail to deliver. It's also possible their presentation wasn't good at the time, and they made sure the next presentation was better.

I believe that part of being successful is releasing things in the right place at the right time.

Many major corporations have a story similar to passing on successful business ideas. Let us look at Sony Pictures for example. Back when Marvel went bankrupt, they had the opportunity to buy the entire Marvel for only $25 Million but turned them down. An unnamed big shot at Sony reportedly claimed that “nobody gives a shit about any of the other Marvel characters,”. They ended up taking Spiderman for $10 Million instead.

https://www.avclub.com/sony...

Fast forward to today, we can see what the Marvel brand has done for Disney. Is it possible the same success would have been possible had Sony acquired those IPs. We can't say that for sure and it is possible most of those IPs that are successful today may not have been used.

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