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PS4 Lead Architect Talks Whether We'll See Another Console Generation

IGN: "Mark Cerny has revealed he thinks it's ludicrous how readily people are discussing whether we'll see another console generation so soon after the launch of the latest one."

Walker4327d ago

PS5 is coming soon . around 2017-2018

sprinterboy4327d ago

The yr 2020 is my bet with a E3 2019 reveal

President4327d ago

February 2019 reveal
November 2019 launch

Darkstares4327d ago

We will see a new Nintendo system within 3 years but it is unknown what Microsoft and Sony will be doing after these systems. Sony looks to be getting into providing services like Playstation Now.

One thing is for sure, the PS3 and XBox 360 have made this new generation fall behind. Many games are still cross generation. The other issues surrounding the new consoles are so many games have slipped into next year while the focus has shifted to indie games. Last but not least is PC gaming has already eclipsed what these new systems are capable of at a reasonable price. I think this is the first time this has happened.

loulou4327d ago

Microsoft will definitely not be waiting until 2020 for a new console. Sony are going to annihilate them this gen, so I think that they will launch early like they did with the 360.

5yr Max cycle this gen for them... I am expecting a new Xbox in 2017 myself

Dee_914327d ago

yea I think this gen will be shorter than the last 2..The next gen systems (ps5 xb2) may be here for awhile i'm betting close to a decade

zeuanimals4327d ago

@Loulou:

If MS does a 2017 launch, they're only going to reinstill the notion (which can be argued as true) that they don't support their consoles fully for very long.

That's a 4 year life for the Xbox One unless they're going to continue to support it after the new Xbox is out, which I doubt they will. That doesn't build much confidence among gamers. And if they do come out with one in 4 years, it'll be really half-baked and the devs they put to work for it won't be working on the Xbox One, meaning the Xbox One's last big games will be in 2016 and maybe 2017.

That won't happen. 2019 at the earliest.

16bitNutritionist4326d ago

@Zeuanimals,seeing as the 360 will be ten years old next year and still going strong I think u need to just be quiet.

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elhebbo164326d ago

I hope so, If this console gen is stretched as long as the last one we are gonna keep getting more console parity BS on PC.

UltraNova4326d ago (Edited 4326d ago )

@16bitNutritionist

Really?

Ok name one more game released on the 360 except Titanfall, the last 3 years that appropriately (as in AAA exclusive) covers the term 'support'. Please don't bother with Kinect games for Christ's sake!
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Still thinking about it? Well don't bother.

If you are going to put the words MS, xbox and support in the same sentence you better be 100% sure about it. Zeuanimals has every right in the world to doubt MS in that department.

OT: I think we will see exactly the same thing we saw this gen. The ps5 and xb2 will be cost effective mid-level machines (for their respective time)just like the ps4 and xb2.

Not that its a bad thing (most of the time) but I dont think we will ever see a ps3 again, which for its time was technologically ahead costing 800+ to built and sold at a 25% loss...

Those days are long gone.

zeuanimals4326d ago (Edited 4326d ago )

@16bit:

Still going strong? It lost all of its steam in regards to 1st party in 2010 with nothing but the same 3 games being put out. Is that what you really call "going strong"? Sure, they're big franchises that sell very well but there was no variety with their games from that point forward.

Ryse was supposed to be the game to "justify" the Kinect and there are signs pointing towards DR3 starting as a 360 game. They moved a ton of development towards the Xbox One and left the 360 dry for its latter years.

Last year in particular was horrible for the 360 in the exclusives department with nothing notable except for State of Decay. There was Gears of War Judgement but that game was a disgrace to the Gears franchise.

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SpadeX4327d ago

Wake up from that nightmare.

Magicite4327d ago

That would be too soon. Console gen must last at least 5 full years, so not sooner than fall of 18/19

kneon4327d ago

Things have changed though, the rate of technological advancement in terms of performance/price is still accelerating.

And now that they have gone with an almost PC architecture I expect that they will be able to release a new gen sooner if they find a need to do so and they can get backwards compatibility for next to nothing.

Ark_4327d ago (Edited 4327d ago )

@kneon

If they all stick with PC architecture, they have to differentiate themself much more imo. There is no need to for branded PCs. Could go all pure software then and release their now exclusive games for a wider audience.

That's what I appreciate Nintendo for; they implemented a new controller-scheme for fresh ways to play games (Wii and WiiU). Btw I appreciate the idea of kinect etc. as well, although they made it available for PC.

Boody-Bandit4327d ago

Fall 2018 is 5 years.
Early on before the X1 or PS4 was released both Sony and MS said this generation will be shorter than last. Last gen was the longest in decades. I see new consoles hitting retail 2018.

Brettman20084327d ago (Edited 4327d ago )

No way, about 2020/2021 I think. The use of compute will much improve graphics in a few years or so.

BillmadeAGate4327d ago

More like 2023. Apparently the guys at sony think this system will be relevant for ten years!! It might be if sony keeps copying ideas, Hopefully Project morpheus isnt a complete ripoff of oculus as PlayStation Move was a ripoff of wii. Now we got PlayStation tv a complete Ripoff of apple tv with added features.. im almost certain along the line Sony will ripoff another idea again.. btw PlayStation now = On Live

Gamingcapacity4327d ago

People get confused with the 10 year life span thing.

What they mean is that they aim to support a console for 10 years. What this also means is that the support for a console can overlap another. For instance the PS3 is still being supported now while they have their newer console out.

And this copying thing, you are being completely ignorant to how tech evolution works and what Sony has done for the tech industry. They are the pioneers for many ideas. Google it.

sin72794327d ago

btw=BillmadeAGate= stupid troll!

welly3004327d ago

Because no other companies copy sony ideas lol.

sinspirit4327d ago

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Sony had a Move-like controller planned since early PS2 days.

Sony has had head mounted displays for a long time and has pushed it harder than anyone until Occulus came out.

PSTV is not a ripoff of AppleTV. Lol, what. There have been multimedia boxes before AppleTV, and they are putting the same multimedia functions of their past devices into this one box, with native PSVita game support, as well as PSNow streaming.

Copying happens in the tech industry. If you don't implement the same things that the competition implements then you lose. Simple as that.

It's clear you're just typing anti-Sony things with no thought, whether you're serious or think "trolling" is just acting like an idiot. "Trolling" is actually when you do something clever and funny, typically with good timing and reference to something. Not saying stupid things that you know people will reply to.

ZerobyZero4327d ago

With playstation tv you can use remote play and play ps4 games

Yahdaree4327d ago (Edited 4327d ago )

@Bill
This is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.

Are you new? There are few companies out there that spend more money on R&D than Sony. The battles they have been in for forty years. Some they have won and some they have lost. Betamax vs VHS, HD DVD vs BluRay, ever heard of the Walkman? Plus there's always the reason why they even made a Playstation to begin with... because Nintendo tried to screw them over. I have seen some pretty dumb comments on here but geeze.

s45gr324327d ago

That's the issue right there PlayStation Now will render consoles obsolete, PlayStation tv buries say consoles, and the morpheus makes gamers wonder what's the point of a console. The consoles are pretty irrelevant at this point

guyman4321d ago

Some people just need a high five, in their face!! This comment makes me cringe. How ridiculous.

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XiSasukeUchiha4327d ago (Edited 4327d ago )

I don't know why ppl are disagreeing with this fact even most companies are saying 2017/18 launch date!
http://www.ign.com/boards/t...

Menkyo4327d ago

That would suck that's only 4 years away. They better stopping making HD remakes then and start with the damn new IPs.

Gamingcapacity4327d ago

I wouldn't be surprised with 2018. But we not not even get another generation of tradional consoles. We have no idea which way the industry will go over the next 5 years. This is what what Mark Cerny explains about.

Future_20154327d ago

these new consoles are so underpowered compared to when the ps3,xbox 360 came out, multi plat games are not even running on ultra settings compared to the pc, and some are not even running at 1080p which just shows lack of GPU power. I saw on linus tech tips where they compared a gtx 480 to the new consoles on benchmarks and the 480 which came out 4 years ago beat them

BattleN4327d ago

Consoles should be the least of our worries, when the current pope Fancis is said to be the last and worst pope that signals the final confrontation between good and evil. So we could be near that great and terrible day of the Lord! A scary thought is this, we will all one day see one another at the Judgement if it's real, which I happen to believe it is!!!

BadlyPackedKeebab4327d ago

I cannot tell if this is a joke or you are seriously trying to bible bash on n4g?

IndoAssassin4326d ago (Edited 4326d ago )

Well we are running out of resources. The global climate is changing at a rapid pace. Coastlines will be lost and new ones made in the next 100 years.

Temperatures by then will be unbearable for us. We will need even more resources to run AC units and furnaces, as summer and winter twmperatures hit the extremes.

Greater destruction from much more violent weather will cripple economies of the world.

Yet we depend more and more on fossil fuels.

The Human race is teh doomz. Not because of God, but because of our own greed and ignorance.

Akarogg 4326d ago (Edited 4326d ago )

We must trust in the Lord Almighty during these times of change. Let us not bury our heads in despair, but look upwards to the sky and hold on to our belief in man's continued evolution.

nunley334326d ago (Edited 4326d ago )

I've heard this too and it isn't a bible bash, it's about the pope which many catholics don't like. He could be the fabled anti-pope with all signs pointing to this but life will go on though here regardless of what he does here. I believe some of that stuff but i don't sit around worrying about it. I'll be inside gaming when outside the apocalypse chaos is going on outside. I agree with alot what @indoAssassin said the climate change isn't man, it's due to a hotter sun.

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BadlyPackedKeebab4327d ago

If the big 2/3 stick to an amd PC architecture there is no reason why we cannot have new hardware every 3 to 4 years. We might see a big shift with games being released cross gen perminantly. After all they are already building a scaled version of the game for PC so its not totally crazy to consider more frequent hardware updates. Its not like the old days when new systems were these alien beasts. Its not quite this simple but essentially they are just a spec of PC that a hell of a lot of your userbase has.

3-4-54327d ago

* Nintendo NEW Handheld = 2017
* New Nintendo Console = 2018
* New Sony Console = 2019 PS5
* New Xbox Console = 2020

nunley334326d ago

So you think Sony will release the PS5 a year ahead of the xbox next? Ms won't wanna do that likely. I hope nintendo holds off till then to release it's next console but 3ds2 could be a fall 2017 release with 3ds bc card slot.

starchild4327d ago

Nope. AAA games cost so much to make and developers are going to want more time with these consoles in order to recoup their investments. They're going to want to have several games in each series this generation.

ITPython4326d ago

Technology grows exponentially, not linearly. I think the next-gen consoles will show their faces much sooner than previous generations, and will be even cheaper.

I bet it will come to a point where new consoles are released annually or bi-annually.

TheWow4326d ago

Don't see why you're getting downvoted into oblivion. Many have the same opinion, especially if there are innovations like 4K gaming becoming affordable. If current gen consoles can push high/ ultra graphics but at limited framerates / resolution, then that's definitely going to become more of an issue as time goes on.
Bear in mind that while we will see optimisations on games, it's not going to happen to the extent it happened with last gen consoles at all.
Thus, it's a very reasonable assumption that the consoles will last about 4 or maybe 5 years.

bennissimo4326d ago

This is the first time I've ever found myself agreeing with Mark Cerny.

SaturdayNightBeaver4326d ago

Should be even sooner, HD remasters ain't no fun anymore :P

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JBSleek4327d ago

Good. All I know is that these next consoles better be B/C.

sk8ofmnd4327d ago

I doubt they will. Every next gen playstation is so more advanced it makes todays system looked at like ancient technology. Look at the innards of the ps3. I think thats why nintendo is able to do it because the wii and wii u arent drastically different. I think I read somewhere the wii u is 2.5 times stronger than the ps3. Dont get me wrong that would be a huge selling point if the ps5 was bc. I at least thought the ps4 would play ps1/2 games. It should have the power to emulate. But something tells me by then they might have a better Infrastructure and internet capabilities to stream mayb for ps+ members. Mayb a ps+ platinum type service. Im sure ppl would pay for that.

Jaqen_Hghar4327d ago

no upgrading has nothing to do with BC. If PS4 uses an X86 architecture it doesn't matter if the CPU is 10x more powerful or there's 32gb of RAM it will still most likely be BC

azricf4327d ago

6years max for this gen please. 8+ years was waayyy too long for last gen.

SpadeX4327d ago (Edited 4327d ago )

It was long but 2013 was a really good year for PS3, it had a bunch of awesome exclusives.

Ni no kuni, puppeteer, ratchet and clank, the last of us, god of war ascension, beyond two souls, kingdom hearts 1.5, sly Cooper, gran truismo 6, and rain

sprinterboy4327d ago

@colemacgrath

To think only a few devs even bothered learning the cell processor too, look at tlou, we should have more games like that from third party oh wait MS had a contract in place to have all games equal :(

azricf4327d ago

Yes, but those could have been made for PS4. Gran Turismo and Beyond should have for sure. It would have helped the game drought.

badhomaks4327d ago

Just because there are good games released for it doesn't mean that they wouldn't have been released on ps4 instead.

larrysdirtydrawss4327d ago

ridiculous last year.gotta be one of the greatest last years ever(last year before a new console release that is)

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BillmadeAGate4327d ago

My real question is how long before last gen is completely outdated like ps2 or OG Xbox. I heard ms say 3 years which was last year so in 2016 last gen will be unsupported ? Im only wondering because were never gonna get a truly next-gen experience if developers keep doing cross gen games.. why hold back the hardware ? Why not have a different team create the last gen game like titanfall and Shadow of Mordor have done... im at a point were if the game is cross gen I feel its not fully built with next gen in mind.. this is my problem =/

Menkyo4327d ago

With devs like Ubisoft reporting that they sold 27% (3.4 million copies) on current gen and 17% (1.3 million copies) on last gen, I think we will finally start seeing cross gen fade and it better if they really are going back to a five year life cycle.

zerog4327d ago

No, he ment they stopped supporting the 360 3 years ago. Did you not see the lack of exclusives during that time?

Sitdown4327d ago

Why was last generation too long? I actually prefer longer generations, because it can force developers to be creative in order to sell their titles.... While also having a larger install base. Too short of a generation puts us right back at cross gen titles.

MegaRay4327d ago

This generation should last 9 years since each game take 3 years to produce, unless people like to have TLG and FF XV situation all over again...

Jaqen_Hghar4327d ago

a man likes longer gens so that's fine and expects new consoles around the time 4k becomes affordable as that can be their main selling point

sinspirit4327d ago

Taking 3 years isn't always the case, and development cycles don't all begin at the same time.

Jaqen_Hghar4327d ago

The way a man sees it PC gamers are always talking about how much consoles are dragging behind. That means there's still room for a big improvement. The cost of those components will eventually come down ergo we can have $400-500 consoles one day with those powerful of components and the PC will naturally go ahead paving the way for next gen.

Also we still have 4k to reach on console gaming which won't be possible for a few years at a reasonable cost. This means that once the 4k TV base is built up and the components to render games in 4k go down we can have a generation all about 4k.

Also people go where the games are. As long as devs are going to next gen hardware people will still buy it and as we saw with this generation people are willing to buy new things very quickly after 7-8 years of playing on the same console even when most games are multiplats. People buy new phones every 2 years and do basically the same thing on them as the last one. By comparison the upgrade on console generations is both cheap (because you do it far less frequently) and astronomical (because they actually improve the specs exponentially like 16x jumps in RAM) so it's a much easier sell than a new tablet or phone in a man's opinion.

s45gr324327d ago

A 4k console will end up in the $600.00-$700.00. Streaming games from the cloud will become the norm 3-4 years from now. Specifically now with PlayStation Now releasing and picking up from were Onlive left off

Jaqen_Hghar4326d ago

that's why you wait till it's affordable

Kavorklestein4326d ago (Edited 4326d ago )

I think that these companies just need to make more future proof versions of their consoles (like maybe making them cost 1,000 dollars, but make them have more power than you could possibly "need" during that gen) OR, maybe make these consoles built with external hardware expansions for ram/storage/gpu's add-ons in mind, that can be bought later if a console is suffering impaired visual fidelity, or suffering form storage limits.

THEN , they could make a console worth the money, AND make it last, and stay powerful for 10 years.

But, they aren't trying to make consoles that save you money, they are trying to ensnare a fanbase that will buy whatever they release, regardless of prices or quality, Similar to what Nintendo has done over the years.

Chimichanga4326d ago

But then you no longer have a console, you have a PC with a bunch of different additional options to nickel and dime the customer. Developers wouldn't be able to optimize for the console either because there would be so many different variations.

Kavorklestein4326d ago (Edited 4326d ago )

@chimichanga -
That's the thing bro.

The companies wouldn't want any and all types of expansions to be compatible, THEY DON'T want to make a PC. They want to upgrade their Product ONCE each generation, to keep it relevant for a longer time without going back to the drawing board to make a completely new system at high cost for Research and Development etc... they would want ONE type of proprietary expansion, for example:

PS4+ 8 gb of GDDR5 Ram MADE BY SONY, ONLY COMPATIBLE WITH PS4 and vice versa... giving 16 total, and they release it at the END of the lifecycle, to not cheapen the standard PS4's value, and give adequate time to devs to target BOTH possible specs- for a standard PS4, and an upgraded PS4.

Xbox One+ 8 GB's of ram expansion, made by Microsoft. Compatible with ONLY an xbox one, and vice versa.

If they limit the expansions to ONE memory expansion per life cycle, they can still utilize the familiarity that devs already have with the console, and just start using the new expansions to increase post processing, shadows, anisotropic filtering, or various other things that improve image quality, and to cut down on load times.

A 200 dollar expansion instead of making a whole new system, and consumers wouldn't have to worry about buying a new system that may or may not be backwards compatible, and may or may not be worth whatever the asking price of the new device is, etc...

So basically, I'm saying, MIMIC what makes a PC so great by allowing hardware upgrades to the system, but LIMIT the amount of upgrade-ability to proprietary units, and only do it once per console life cycle. This way, platform specific development can simply be altered to develop two versions of the same game, on the same hardware, with one version taking full advantage of the "boost" in either ram or gpu power.

BUT, neither of these two systems are built with this thinking in mind, so it would have to wait until Next gen anyways.

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The Big PSSR Interview With Mark Cerny

DF: "Just over a year ago, we shared exciting news directly from PlayStation 5 lead system architect Mark Cerny that Sony intended "to have something very similar to FSR 4's upscaler available on PS5 Pro for 2026 titles as the next evolution of PSSR." Just over a year later, the promise has been delivered and the quality upgrade can be transformative. This is the technology we hoped for, duly delivered, and when the opportunity arose to share some questions with Cerny about the revised PSSR, we didn't need to be asked twice."

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Mark Cerny Confirms Frame Generation "Should Be Seen At Some Point On PlayStation Platforms"

In a detailed interview coming soon on Digital Foundry, PlayStation 5 lead system architect Mark Cerny has shared more on the Project Amethyst collaboration with AMD, confirming that ML-based frame generation is coming to "PlayStation platforms" but advising DF not to expect any further updates this year.

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Chocoburger57d ago

Hopefully it can be turned off for those who don't desire frame generation. Just a simple toggle in the settings menu shouldn't be hard to add.

Eonjay57d ago

Yeah I am pretty sure this is the plan... Just easier to make it an option.
I am actually quite interested to see just what this does to extend the life of the PS5 Pro.
As far as PS6... I really feel like this tech is gonna greatly even the playing field with higher end PCs.
This is why Nvidia is trying to pass off its new AI filter as something worth caring about. We are fast approaching the endgame of raster performance.

Michiel198957d ago

bro nvidia doesnt care about pc or consoles....these tinfoilhat theories that nvidia want to deceive the public cause ps6 get closer to pc power? come on man....
They're making an ai filter because "drumroll" they're focussed on ai right now....not because of consoles power might or might not rival pc's power or whatever other console vs pc argument you wanna come up with. I like how every action a company takes in the mind of the sony goons always has either to do with console wars or consoles vs pc instead of just making money.

Look up the % of their revenue that comes from gaming and how much comes from AI

Inverno57d ago

Fake frames and fake resolutions should enhance an already well optimized game. Industry been moving in the wrong direction since these pro models came out last gen. The PS360 gen couldn't even deal with 720p res without tanking fps, PS4ONE gen started pushing for 4K when they couldn't even push beyond 900p/720p, and current gen can't run at 1080p/60 fps without dynamic resolution or some AI trickery.

SonyStyled56d ago

There’s quite a few PS3 games that are 1080p/60fps

OpenGL56d ago

Not really. Most of them were not actually native 1080p, Wipeout HD used dynamic resolution, GT5 was 1280x1080 scaled horizontally, etc.

LucasRuinedChildhood56d ago (Edited 56d ago )

PS3 was great but the frame rates weren't.
The vast majority of first person shooters on PS3 besides COD targeted 30fps, the genre which most needs 60fps.

Arcade racing games also often were only 30fps. Respect to Burnout Paradise and Driver Dan Francisco for actually being 60fps despite being open world when even track based racers were usually 30fps.

isarai_lee57d ago (Edited 57d ago )

Famegen is the most backwards garbage imo. The whole point of more frames is better response, but framegen doesn't improve response, in fact it makes it worse so what's the point?

jznrpg56d ago

I don’t have experience using it but I’m sure the end goal is to further the tech as time goes so it’s a benefit in the long run

MagUk56d ago

Frame gen has its usefulness but I would only use it if you can run a game above 60fps and upwards. It can add extra smoothness. Personally I’d only use it on single player games that ain’t that ain’t to fast paced.

Eonjay56d ago

I think how it will be used. I think it will be used on the Pro to provide improvements in unlocked games running in the 60-80 range... of which their are quite a few.

Pyrofire9556d ago

I am just coming around to thinking Frame-gen is okay but I have to emphasis so hard that a game already should be running at 60 before it.

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Mark Cerny 'Loved' Legend of Dragoon, But Admits It 'Can't Possibly Be as Good' as He Remembers

The Legend of Dragoon is held in very high regard by Sony stalwarts, a JRPG developed in-house for the original PlayStation. While it never achieved the same success as other games of that era, it's retained a cult status, and you still see calls from fans today for Sony to return to the land of Endiness. Now, fans can say that Mark Cerny, lead system architect for the PS4 and PS5, ranks among their number.

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no_more_heroes166d ago

There's definitely parts of it that haven't aged well, for sure. It would be interesting to see how a remake could fix the things that need it while somehow maintaining the game's charm.

gold_drake166d ago

i think the combat could definitely be almost like expedition 33, with the precision input thing.

no_more_heroes165d ago

My thoughts exactly. It's been a long-ass time since I've played it, but I remember there being weirdness with the plot regarding a female character. I'm on the fence about whether I'd want an FF7 Remake-style approach, or just a warts-and-all approach of it being the same exact game with 21st century graphics and presentation.

Even with regards to the goofy voice acting lol!

Part of me wants that FF7R style treatment.

Relientk77166d ago

A fantastic JRPG that should return. I wish Sony would just remake this already. I mean Bluepoint Studios makes fantastic remakes... there you go Sony.

-Foxtrot166d ago

They do…and as soon as Sony bought them they decided to waste their talents on a GaaS title for 5 years before cancelling it.

Such a shame

We could have had at least a remake from them with the next one close to being teased

MDTunkown166d ago

Jrpg age well it’s not like replaying driver.
And its flaws like to much random encounter and slow combat can easily be fixed

Knightofelemia166d ago

It's still one of those hidden gem JRPG's I love the game. I wish Sony would do something with the title whether an HD remaster or give it the remake treatment like Square did with FF7. I also wish Sony would do something with the Wild Arms franchise and another JRPG franchise I love as well.

Miraak82 166d ago

Story and charecters were good, cinematics were top notch and gameplay was fun for its time but world and exploration left much to be desired especially after playing games that came out before it like FF and Xenogears . It's a shame we never got another in-house made Sony rpg , kinda surprised they never tried to acquire Level-5 for all they rpgs they've made for them

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