All Channels
Popular
260°

Resolutiongate a 'perception challenge' that must be fixed, says Xbox exec

One of the key Xbox One executives in the UK believes the company needs to overcome the perception that Sony's PS4 displays certain games at superior resolutions and frame rates.

"Unless you are using a screen that's more than 60 inches big, I defy you to really see the difference"

Read Full Story >>
computerandvideogames.com
Ezz20134320d ago (Edited 4320d ago )

Really, again with this "you can't tell teh difference between 1080 and 720p" crap?!

you can't make a weaker hardware on par with the stronger hardware
10% free for GPU because no more kinect, DX12, Teh Powh of teh cloud, Secret sauce .etc would fix that
you can't change hardware.

but what i noticed this gen it's not about res or fps or GFx
it's all about "Having Fun" now,Xbox owners... right guys?!

when was the "it's all about having fun"
last gen when DF articles show one better pixel or better blade of grass .etc on xbox360 version ?!

you guys don't care about res,Fps,Textuers etc this gen but you cared so much about it last gen
http://n4g.com/news/530227/...
http://n4g.com/news/143298/...
should i list more ?!
what changed ?!

if you guys last gen were as cool as you are now this gen with fps and res
PS4 owners would not treat you the same...(it's wrong though )

i hate console warz
but what i hate more is hypocrisy
and i keep see it in NPD articles, Face off articles,Tech articles alot this gen.

JP13694320d ago (Edited 4320d ago )

He has a motive to spew this nonsense and fanboys that want to justify their purchase have a reason to believe him. The rest of us have an opportunity to laugh at all of them.
Fine by me. Happy Friday!

Edit: Comments like these should be forwarded to the devs of games like Sniper Elite 3. The X1 version has worse frame rate, lighting, texture filtering and effects than the PC and PS4 versions, not to mention horrendous screen tearing. Dropping the resolution to something like 900p would have helped, no doubt. So why didn't this happen? Because in a game where visibility at long distances in paramount, 1080p becomes the deciding factor for maintaining the vision of the game (and thus, the gameplay). That's not just an objective benefit, but a necessity.
I await the mental gymnastics we'll no doubt see, attempting to explain away the very real differences resolution and frame rate can create.

Edit 2: Ezz brings up a good point. The hypocrisy involved is awful. If the tables were turned, we'd see a lot of people on either side singing a much different tune.

Gazondaily4320d ago

He needs to go to Specsavers. The perception challenge is one afflicting his retinas methinks.

Eonjay4320d ago

Meanwhile a tech at Nvidia spit up some coffee. By that standard, Nvidia and AMD have been running a scam for some time now. Because after all, their high end cards are only perceived to be high end. Thank God Microsoft has come to open our eyes; or close them, I can't tell.

Reddzfoxx4320d ago

Sniper Elite 3 is a horrible game to compare the 2 consoles as the game regardless is a steaming pile. They have on their web page flaunting a rating of 8.2 by IGN.

I want to say lets wait for the new COD before people get into specs as all I ever see is how COD is going to be graphically superior to the last game and its a multiplatform so then 1 year after release of both systems we have a standard model for how the consoles match up.

By no means is COD anything special just a means to compare where both companies are at with 3rd party developers. As everyone has seen first parties can both reach 1080p 30 fps/60 fps on both consoles.

johndoe112114320d ago (Edited 4320d ago )

Basically every tv manufacturer out there has been scamming us for years now making us buy all those hd tv's under 60". We should have never upgraded our sub 60" 720p televisions. Thank you microsoft for showing us the folly of our ways. *hangs head and walks off in disgust*

Edit:
@Reddzfoxx

Wait, let me get this straight. Basically what you're saying is to ignore all the other games that have been released thus far that are significantly different in resolutions between the both consoles so that we could see the truth with COD??? Dude, you just moved the goalposts so far, I don't even think they're on the same playing field anymore.

dantesparda4320d ago

Thats right MS, keep lying to us and spewing your nonsense and thinking we're stupid. Your asinine comments are insulting, good luck getting more customers by insulting their intelligence.

Death4320d ago

Graphics cards from Nvidia and AMD upscale lower resolution textures. More expensive cards do this better than cheap cards. The resolution output from the PS4 and Xbox One is 1080p for both consoles. More PS4 games are doing 1080p natively than Xbox One which is using the built in scaler that both consoles have to increase the resolution. Fanboys get stuck on the notion that PS4 games are getting more pixel output for their money. The reality is they are getting duplicate pixels placed by hand vs duplicated pixels placed by the GPU.

The big differance maker right now is the ram. The PS4's ram is making it so framerate and textures are better in most games. The games aren't sharper since both are output at 1080p. Before hitting disagree, more pixels means more time if the developer is trully taking advantage of a higher native resolution. How many PS4 games are coming out later than their Xbox One counterpart? How many cost more money since time and resources would be needed to actually make the game better?

JP13694320d ago (Edited 4320d ago )

Reddzfoxx -

The quality of the game in question is a subjective argument and has no bearing on the point being made. In case you need it spelled out for you, I was pointing to an objective (key word there, keep paying attention) example of a game in which resolution absolutely matters, to the point that the developer was willing to make many other sacrifices on X1 to maintain the ability to resolve the image properly. I can see how this might to tough to understand, since you're probably really tired after doing all those mental gymnastics previously mentioned.

As others have already mentioned, none of your so-called argument even addresses the topic at hand. So yes, it does appear you need things spelled out for you.

Highlife4320d ago

So last gen xbox would claim "better on xbox" with multi plats now that the tables have turned Microsoft says you can't tell the difference. Can't have it both ways ms bunch of hypocrites.

sinspirit4320d ago

@Death

What is wrong with you?

You can go through NVidia and AMD software to force increased antialiasing and antisotropic filtering to give more clarity and less jaggies but you can't upscale textures. To do that you go through the game configuration file or get a mod. This also makes no sense to do with consoles.

PC only upscales if you at less than your monitors native resolution. Console don't upscale in the same fashion, but 360 has done it on dozens of games that were 720p just to list them as "1080p" to mislead people.

There are no "duplicate" pixels. "Duplicate" is when something is upscaled. Native is when there are no duplicates and it actually runs at that resolution. You also don't "place pixels by hand". That's absolute rubbish. You simply.. set the resolution higher, and it happens, and no.. PS4 runs a game with less effort needed for optimization. Meaning less time and effort is needed to make it look better than the X1. Sure, The Order and DriveClub were delayed so they could be better. But, when it comes to multiplatform games, PS4 isn't slowing them down, because the PC version is already at higher quality, they simply port it to PS4 and it tends to run quite well with some settings toned down if necessary, but for X1, it tends to need more work to optimize it and choose what settings are better to crank up and turn down so the game still looks good and plays good despite the compromises.

Giul_Xainx4320d ago

Thank you for pointing that out. Contradictions of the company shows what the xbox is all about. "Give us a fair chance" is what they are saying, but they didn't play fair last gen. Making third parties crutch the ps3 version in favor of the 360.

I don't care how hard it was working with cell and rsx, that is just rude!

Now this gen Sony is leading without using shady practices like the xbox game quality crutch, and xbox doesn't have any clue on what to do. They used a double edged sword and Sony pushed it back into their face.

I'm sorry but the PS brand has my loyalty for it's humbleness.

LamerTamer4320d ago (Edited 4320d ago )

@Death

Scalers don't magically "increase resolution". All they do is stretch the lower res image to fit the 1080p TV so that you don't have a black border. That involves duplicating pixels at regular intervals to fill in the space. That causes a whole lot of artifacts so they put a blurry filter over the image to attempt to smooth out the increased jaggies. Of course this makes the image more "soft". It can also ruin detail because it smooths out things that shouldn't be. Detail in the distance can get garbled and blotchy where as in a true 1080p image more information is actually there making it look sharper.

It has nothing to do with "fanboys" thinking they are getting more pixels, it is about an image looking better. Higher resolution images look sharper, period, full stop.

Denying this fact that higher and native 1:1 1080p res looks better is about "fanboys" of the xbone making themselves feel better about getting lower res games much of the time.

+ Show (8) more repliesLast reply 4320d ago
4320d ago Replies(7)
MightyNoX4320d ago

Well said, last gen we had Larry's blog saying "sorry PS3 owners but true 1080p only possible on Xbox 360."

Hypocrites...

Why o why4320d ago (Edited 4320d ago )

I scanned a few of those comments in those comparison articles......

I owe a couple n4g members an apology. I've seen many make far more balanced comments than I remembered.

Of course there were still many guys who absolutely loved to gloat over minor differences who cry foul now but there was balance.

Hellsvacancy4320d ago

Read the comments on this article if you fancy a laugh http://n4g.com/news/585419/...

DARK WITNESS4320d ago

All I can say to MR Executive is this..

I have a 50" samesung HD TV.

I own both systems and at launch I got BF4 for both systems.

I already had BF4 on 360 so I just upgraded it to xb1 and I got it on ps4 as part of a bundle.

I could see a difference.

Thank you!

What they need to do is get their head out of "The Cloud" and focus on the right message - The Games.

The ps2 was weaker graphically to the orginal xbox but I don't remember sony saying games on both systems look the same.

it's ok to be a weaker, the problem is MS has to justify the fact that it's weaker yet cost the same/or more depending on what bundle you are going for.

The thing is though if you have enough good exclusives people wont be as bothered about weaker 3rd party games because they will be too busy playing the exclusive games (by exclusive I mean real exclusive, not this TIMED rubbish) to care about a resolution difference with 3rd party games.

anyway, they need to stop pretending all is equal with the two systems, because it's not and we are not stupid!

sinspirit4320d ago

I have a 1600x900 17.3 inch(diagonally) laptop screen. I see a clear difference for in game graphics when changing from 720p to 900p. It increases just about everything overall. Smoother shadows, more detailed textures, further view distance, etcetera. Not because it actually increases the quality of those settings but because resolution just allows you to see everything more clearly without blurring and pixelating them.

LamerTamer4320d ago (Edited 4320d ago )

@sinspirit

It is also about native 1:1 pixel mapped resolution. That alone makes a BIG difference. Most of the blur you see while not native res is due to the upscale filter, that alone makes things blurry.

That is the thing that people miss. They always say things like "it is only 180p difference, that isn't much". It is more than just that 180p, it is about the pixels matching your display at 1:1, unfiltered.

lelo4320d ago (Edited 4320d ago )

Last gen Microsoft relied heavily on 3rd party games to sell their console. Normally 3rd party games had the best console version on the X360. Cheaper console, 3rd party games with timed exclusive DLC and exclusives like Halo, Forza, Gears were enough to sell the console.

This gen it's not going to work. The best console version will always be on the PS4 (X1 has weaker specs). Exclusive timed DLC, both consoles have them. The only way Microsoft has to sell the X1 this gen are exclusives, and lots of quality exclusives... and I mean real exclusives, that you only can find on the X1. Only Halo, Forza, Gears is not enough.
Problem: Microsoft doesn't have that many quality 1st party studios to produce those games. Unless Microsoft buys more gaming studios or opens their check book for 3rd party exclusives, I don't see the X1 selling the same amount of units the X360 sold or even getting close to PS4's numbers.
One other problem is the X1's price compared to their main competitor, PS4. Weaker console should come with a cheaper price.

joeorc4320d ago (Edited 4320d ago )

this was right here where i think you can see how people would be trying to imply or devalue the other console's strength's over the one that Microsoft releases, i mean its his job to do so but they at Microsoft are doing a real deceptive way doing it; in my opinion..look at this

"It's important, certainly. It's something the media has certainly picked up on. If that leads to the perception that one machine is more powerful than another, then it's important, and we're trying to allow developers to bring games to Xbox One at the highest resolution and frame rate as possible."

here is the problem i think:

"It's important, certainly. It's something the media has certainly picked up on. "

To me there is nothing wrong here with what he just stated, i have no issue with that..its the rest of it, thats really stretching it.

this right here:

"If that leads to the perception that one machine is more powerful than another, then it's important, and we're trying to allow developers to bring games to Xbox One at the highest resolution and frame rate as possible."

Notice they just stated "if that leads to the perception that one machine is more powerful than the other? So what Microsoft is claiming right here that the PS4 is not more powerful than the xboxone!

I mean its one thing to promote your product, but to use deception to do it is another! Microsoft outright stated they did not build the xboxone with the highest resolution in mind...but yet that is the perception of what they are trying to fix?

its like they cannot make up their d@mn Mind!

SuperBlunt4320d ago

"The ps3 is like a halfway house between a game console and a video player" oh my fucking god the irony

4320d ago Replies(1)
kenshiro1004320d ago

The delusions are REALLY strong with Microsoft this gen.

ThePope4320d ago

for hating the console wars, I sure see you at the front a lot

Ezz20134320d ago (Edited 4320d ago )

how ?!
when i speak ...i either say something i can back up or just having fun

that's it

Magicite4320d ago

when they cant fight back, they defend.

+ Show (10) more repliesLast reply 4320d ago
Kayant4320d ago

Re-posting -

Amazing how something factually running at higher resolution or framerate becomes 'perception' just because you can't notice the difference.

High class spinning right there. Very so slightly trolling.

"It's important, certainly. It's something the media has certainly picked up on. If that leads to the perception that one machine is more powerful than another, then it's important" - Guys did you know that the 780 Ti having better hardware than the 760 is just perception and not factual information that leads to differences in perfromance.... /s

Askanison44320d ago

"Amazing how something factually running at higher resolution or framerate becomes 'perception' just because you can't notice the difference."

Erm, that's kinda the definition of perception...

Kayant4320d ago (Edited 4320d ago )

True not the best wording there I admit. My point was more in relation to my following up comment.

His challenge of saying "I defy you to really see the difference" - is insinuating that if indeed can indeed can tell the difference compared to him then your perception is not right. My point is that perception that PS4 versions of games with higher framerate or resolution is not only down to preconception but is also factual information that cannot be changed through perception.

Askanison44320d ago

@Kayant

I disagree. I'm not naive enough to think this is more than PR doing their job but I have to admit that there's a point to be made.

Honestly, I would struggle to tell you the difference between half of the multi-platform games that have been released so far.

I think that to that end, his point was more along the lines of saying that the outrage/trolling has far outweighed the actual perceived differences between the consoles - which at this point has been fairly negligible.

amnalehu4320d ago

@ Askanison4, what's more amazing is how anyone could press the disagree button to your comment. Those pesky facts...

Askanison44320d ago

@amnalehu

I can understand the disagrees with my second reply since that's an OPINION, but the first is just pure fact. What is there to disagree with? :p

+ Show (1) more replyLast reply 4320d ago
JBSleek4320d ago (Edited 4320d ago )

Here is the thing. Before the next generation consoles came out, many console gamers said resolution doesn't matter if you don't have the games.

Now that they can finally play games at 1080p all of a sudden resolution is the biggest thing now. Funny how that works.

A strawman? Wouldn't that have to imply that I was arguing with someone and changed the debate. I made a statement. Statements aren't strawman.'

I was merely remarking upon how it's funny how things change when console gamers finally hit 1080p.

JP13694320d ago (Edited 4320d ago )

You haven't made anything even resembling a point. You're right, resolution doesn't matter if the games don't exist. But, when they do it's nice to have the cleanest image possible. I prefer 1080p because:

1) It provides more clarity and gives an overall cleaner image

2) It matches the output of my television, which frees the image from the artifacts that upscaling brings.

Also, nice strawman. You're inventing an argument that doesn't exist to prove a point you're seemingly incapable of making. The question we're discussing is whether or not the difference in resolution and frame rate are noticeable, not whether resolution is "the biggest thing now."

Learn how to formulate a rational argument before you continue to shit post.

Edit: Agree with Why o why on - again - the hypocrisy here. I'm not saying that resolution bumps can make a crap game great (or the other way around), but if you have a choice, why wouldn't you get the better version?

Why o why4320d ago

Here is the thing. Before the next generation consoles came out, many console gamers said resolution and framerate mattered even if the core gameplay was the same.

Now that they can't reach that 1080p all of a sudden resolution doesn't matter anymore. Funny how that works.

JBSleek4320d ago

If you cared about the best version of games you would have a really good gaming PC.

JP13694320d ago

Good to see you still enjoy moving goal posts. Do you even remember the topic? Are you completely unable to form a coherent argument, or has desperation simply gotten the better of you?

JP13694320d ago (Edited 4320d ago )

"Statements aren't strawman"

Even if you don't know what a straw man argument is (and it seems you don't), that statement is obviously false. What do you think arguments are based upon, if not statements?

You implied that the point of the argument was something other than what it actually is in order to make your response seem reasonable. Not only is that fallacious, but you failed in your objective. Solid work, kid.

Kayant4320d ago

"If you cared about the best version of games you would have a really good gaming PC." - And what if you don't like the PC environment for gaming(Not that I do but there are people that don't)?

Evilsnuggle4320d ago (Edited 4320d ago )

/jbsleek@

Why is it bad to get the best graphic that you can for your money . I hate this holy than tho attitude of some gamers and xbone fanboys. You gamers that walk on water are criticizing others because they want the best graphic for their money. Graphic might not be important to some gamers . But it's very important to others just ask a PC gamer. Now we got you and the xbonefanboys running guilt trips on others who do agree with you . Now the " REAL" gamers don't care about graphic or I don't count pixels I play games( SMFH). Some people only own one game console . If you were going to buy a car would you buy the best car for your money. Would it matter than one car was more fuel efficient and faster ? Or Would you buy the less fuel efficient slower car ? Would you try to convince other that the faster more efficient car at the same price was not a better value for their money.

This if you want the best graphic buy a PC is a lame cop out . A lot of gamers like the easy of plug and play of game consoles .They do want to deal with upgrading hardware or configuration of PC gaming . Also a good gaming PC is much more expensive than a game console.
I have always owned all the current game consoles ever Nintendo , SONY, xbox and sega . I own both OG and 360 ,wii and PS3 this gen I don't see the need to own more than one game console this gen the PS4 . The PS4 has the best multi platform games and I prefer SONY first party games. If some gamers prefer xbone first party game that is a good reason to own a xbone.

Why o why4320d ago

Yeah jb because I can play forza, gt, infamous, last of us, lbp and the likes on pc. Weak, predictable deflection. I want a console for consoles benefits. Not everybody who wants a fast car owns a Ferrari. Are you implying m5 or amg driver shouldn't care about speed because they can't purchase the fastest road car.

+ Show (5) more repliesLast reply 4320d ago
lelo4320d ago (Edited 4320d ago )

Microsoft screwed up their consoles specs, being stingy on the gpu... now they will suffer the consequences.

GameSpawn4320d ago

...and DDR3 instead of GDDR5.

g-nome4320d ago

Yeah , whatever , Sony still has the studios that produce some amazing titles , regardless of pixels being pushed.

Show all comments (103)
70°

UK boss Harvey Eagle moves to global Xbox Live role

Microsoft has promoted Harvey Eagle to director for Xbox Live product marketing.

Read Full Story >>
gamesindustry.biz
50°

Microsoft publishes Xbox Family Guide to educate parents ahead of Christmas

"It's important parents take an active role in managing their children's access to online content and gaming," says director Harvey Eagle.

Read Full Story >>
gamesindustry.biz
meka26112718d ago

Really wish companies would do this more. Just about every system has such great controls for parents that anytime something with video games and kid's happens; the blame falls completely on the parent's for not implementing the controls. I mean you can even make a setting for how long they can play each day.

270°

Microsoft UK warns of possible Xbox One X launch shortages

Xbox UK has warned consumers over week one shortages of its new X console as it kicks off its marketing campaign. "The Scorpio edition sold out in record time," UK boss Harvey Eagle tells GamesIndustry.biz.

Read Full Story >>
gamesindustry.biz
ThatDudeMunkee3116d ago

Definitely hoping that this is a good sign for Microsoft and a possible resurgence of the Xbox family. I know I plan on getting one eventually, but just not sure when.

3116d ago
XiNatsuDragnel3116d ago

Okay possibly limited in making the console?

freshslicepizza3116d ago

The pre-order edition yes but I doubt the regular XB1X will be limited in supply.

XStation4pio_Pro3116d ago

The Scorpio editions sold out in a day. This is full retail version.

XStation4pio_Pro3116d ago

They report it’s actual sales demands, not small supply.

DaGreatOne3116d ago

So psvr, the pro, switch and now the Xbox one x will have experience launch shortages. Interesting.

XStation4pio_Pro3116d ago

The Pro didn’t have launch shortages. I walked right into Best Buy a week after launch and picked one up. There was at least 4-5 in a stack.

Razzer3116d ago

Depends on your location. Europe had PS4 Pro shortages, much like what UK is projecting.

http://www.pushsquare.com/n...

Hardware shortages at launch are hardly a rare event.

LP-Eleven3116d ago (Edited 3116d ago )

And the X1X will be just as easy to find. $500 this far into the generation? It won't have any serious shortage issue. An outlet, here or there, with shortages? Probably, but that's nothing new for any new hardware launch.

DaGreatOne3116d ago

You live in the UK? Because that's where most of the shortages took place, as it seems it will be the case this time around.

WilliamSheridan3116d ago

$500 this far into the generation? The X One launched at the same several years ago. Inflation means the value of the dollar goes down over time, hence why prices go up.

This is technically cheaper than the X One was at launch.

3116d ago
ThatDudeMunkee3116d ago

Same. I had no issues receiving one. I didn't even pre-order.

rainslacker3116d ago

The pro had some spotty shortages. It was sold out on Amazon for short periods of time over the first two months, and GS didn't have them around me regularly. Wal-mart never seemed to have them, but wal-mart kind of sucks for that kind of thing. Not sure about best buy because I was never really looking.

It wasn't impossible to find one, but it wasn't always as easy as just walking in and getting one.

+ Show (4) more repliesLast reply 3116d ago
1nsomniac3116d ago (Edited 3116d ago )

This is simple common place business. It’s past the days of conspiracy theories. It’s now a fully known & used business marketing strategy. Discussed openly in business seminars globally. It’s just that gamers generally aren’t to bright about these kind of things.

LoveSpuds3116d ago (Edited 3116d ago )

Just a cheap tactic to trick people into buying the console I suspect. If you dont hurry they will all be gone........yeah, I'll take my chances chief.

Dlaw763116d ago

So does it mean the same when Sony does it because they been that tactic since the PS2 days

IRetrouk3116d ago (Edited 3116d ago )

Difference is sonys consoles do the numbers to back up the claims, ms consoles....not so much...

TheEnigma3133116d ago

Um the PS consoles has always sold a lot. The Xbone would never outsell the PS. You should worry about the Switch catching the Xbone by the end of next year.

Dlaw763116d ago

You guys are retarded I don't play sales I own all consoles except for the Switch but I will be buying it soon

TheEnigma3133116d ago (Edited 3116d ago )

I play sales because whoever sells more gets the best content and more support.

SKullDugger3116d ago

You made the SONY PONIES mad.

rainslacker3116d ago (Edited 3116d ago )

PS1 sold out because it was insanely hyped and had high demand. It was never a supply problem as Sony was meeting their manufacturing expectations. This was mostly just in the Japanese market, and they remedied it for the North American and European releases, although some spotty shortages existed across the US, although short lived.

PS2 sold out because it had huge demand on launch, and not sure what Sony's manufacturing capabilities were for it.

PS3 sold out because Sony couldn't make enough to meet demand due to the problem with sourcing the Blu-Ray Drive and CELL chip early on....both of which didn't have high enough output at the production level.

PS4 sold out because despite Sony making enough to meet what they expected to sell, actual demand was much higher than anyone would have guessed...kind of like what happened with the Wii. however, Sony recovered fairly quickly compared to some other instances in history.

Switch sold out because of the sourcing issues with the screen itself, which was in high demand due to Apple also using the same product. Nintendo can't keep them in stock because there is a higher demand than I think most would have anticipated. Not a dissimilar situation to the Wii, however it's different due to the sourcing issue.

MS said the OGX1 was going to be in short supply, and later said it was sold out after it launched, despite there being plentiful evidence it wasn't true. The OGXbox was never sold out. The 360 sold out at launch, but was quickly replenished, and didn't see any extended shortages at stores. MS has never had a long term sell out problem, and with the OGX1 they flooded the distribution channels to get shipped numbers up. Soon after, they stopped reporting sales numbers.

+ Show (3) more repliesLast reply 3116d ago
TKCMuzzer3116d ago

Yep, could still get one yesterday at multiple outlets.

XStation4pio_Pro3116d ago

Yup. Off to a terrible start as all the fanboys insist. *eyeroll*

kevnb3116d ago

Microsoft pr hyped up the machine, it must be doing great!

Show all comments (56)