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Resolution Might Not Matter, But Frame Rate Sure As Hell Does

Rich Drummond of Gaming Tech United writes:

"Resolution gate, the constant struggle between developers and fan boys alike to push the 1080p mantra on us and tell the gaming community that a certain platform is better than the other. Although I will admit, I do appreciate a good looking game. I avidly make the case that a game’s frame rate is much more important than its resolution."

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XiNarutoUzumaki4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

It is not mandatory for a game to be 60FPS. Only devs know what it's best. People just assume that the higher, the better. they only look at the numbers without even knowing why a game is 60FPS or not. Now, and stable framerate or locked does matter.

Also, Consoles are limited. Devs must know where the resources should be put into unlike PC. I'm okay if this gen will be 1080p locked 30FPS. I don't care about 60FPS at all.

Play games; Don't count frames.

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choujij4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

This would be the equivalent of arguing over chode vs pencil.

Both aspects are important. XD

NinjaRichParty4405d ago

I didn't necessarily means 60 fps. I meant more towards the fact of keeping it constant throughout the game. Sudden drops in frame rate can really pull you out of the experience.

Kivespussi4405d ago

Nope, this is supposed to be "next-gen", 60fps is something that they really should have already. If it takes this generation too until console gamers get 60fps they might as well switch to PC.

Milesprowers4405d ago

It's not Consoles or Game developers that are to blame, it's the television manufactures still clinging on fixed refresh rates inherited from the CRT/Phosphorus tube ere.

Metallox4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

We need stable framerates though, that's what the guy stands and I completely agree, it gets annoying when you play a game that has lots of frame drops.

Bathyj4405d ago

I agree a stable framerate is more important than a high framerate. That said,I can't say I've ever noticed more than a slight dip in watchdogs and certainly nothing that's ever effected gameplay.

Magicite4405d ago

it was rather common for games on 7th gen consoles to slow down considerably, I thought this will be a no issue with current-gen, but I was wrong.

Vegamyster4405d ago

"People just assume that the higher, the better."

"I'm okay if this gen will be 1080p locked 30FPS. I don't care about 60FPS at all."

A higher consistent framerate will always make a game play better regardless of the genre, maybe people would enjoy 60 fps on consoles more if they were given the option to choose between the two similar to a PC.

LamerTamer4404d ago

No. I would MUCH rather have better textures, lighting, dynamic shadows, and 1080p over 60 FPS. Also if you use an LCD TV 60 fps can cause motion blur. I only would rather see 60 fps for online shooters as that is really where it is better.

My TV is 1080p native resolution not 900p or some other made up thing. Upscaling and the artifacts/pixellation/aliasing /blurr that come with it suck.

With 60 FPS you ARE losing other effects, it is just math. When you have half the time to render each frame, something must go. Anyone twith a PC knows this, increase FPS, lower graphic detail. I want the detail.

Vegamyster4404d ago

He said "Play games; Don't count frames." higher visual fidelity doesn't improve gameplay, higher framerate does.

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Godmars2904405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

Only as far as tearing or slow down is concerned.

Devs should not be going on and on about what they can do or get out of a system, only to under deliver to such degrees.

NinjaRichParty4405d ago

Very true. Honestly, I'd rather hear about game play and their vision that resolution and frame rate! Haha.

HighResHero4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

Can't believe you got disagrees in an era where many devs don't focus enough on gameplay/overall experience.
I just bought the Thief collection on GOG and these games provide a much more thrilling experience than 95% of the games that have come out lately IMO.

Milesprowers4405d ago

It certainly matters because the less the FPS the higher the Input Lag.

MultiConsoleGamer4405d ago

Totally agree. People saying they can tell the difference between 900p and 1080p are liars. However there is a BIG difference between 30fps and 60fps.

Remy_S4405d ago

You must play on a really small TV or have eyesight problems.

XiYakushijuAkeginuXi4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

http://cdn4.wccftech.com/wp...

I can tell the difference by this photo, and I am sure you can too

jebabcock4405d ago

I could tell no difference on my 5 inch phone... ;)

Kayant4405d ago

"People saying they can tell the difference between 900p and 1080p are liars." - Yh sure they are because you have the same eyes as them /s. You do know there is also people who can't tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps.

So what about 720p and 1080p?

MasterCornholio4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

My case with 60FPS and 30FPS is really strange. I can't see difference between the two framerates but I can feel the difference with the controller.

Eddie201014405d ago

People that say they can't tell the difference are usually Xbox One fanboys and are lying to themselves. You definitely can tell a difference and its not just in pixel count, the Lighting and shadows look slightly better at 1080p. Is it a huge difference, no, but their is a difference.

The same people (Xbox 360 fanboys) that constantly counted pixels last gen, can't see any difference when the shoe is on the other foot. Short memory and hypocrisy.

MultiConsoleGamer4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

People who say they can tell the difference between imperceptible resolution differences are usually console fanboys repeating a marketing line they heard on some PR site or an agenda driven message board. (*cough* neogaf *cough*)

These same people didn't bat an eye when they played inferior versions on their PS1, PS2, and PS3. But suddenly now this issue matters to them. Hmm, I wonder why? (*cough* marketing *cough*)

If these people REALLY cared about getting the highest resolution and frame rate they would play all their games on a PC, and that goes without question. Anyone who says otherwise is just a fanboy.

See kids, that's the best part about being a multiconsolegamer. Since I own all the consoles and a PC and a Mac I literally have every option available to me. I always get the best version of any game and I never have to justify my purchase with insecure attacks on a so-called rival fanbase. It's great to be free of such nonsense. You should try it sometime.

Eddie201014405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

I own all the consoles too and build my own PC's, just recently bought an Xbox One. It's good but not my favorite.

Their is a difference between 900p and 1080p and I don't have to lie about it to make myself feel better about my purchase. If the resolution is higher on an Xbox one version I will buy it, if the resolution is higher on PS4, I will buy it granted their is nothing wrong with any other aspect of the game for either console. Just so happens that up until now the better resolution on all games where their is a difference is on PS4, Since I own both I will probably be buying most third party games on PS4. As for PC gaming my Monitor is 1080p and isn't 50 inches like my TV and are in different rooms. I rather play most games on my TV.

I am not a kid, and you are arrogant and elitist for referring to people as kids.

I am a grown man of 50 years and I am not a sheep who can be told what to think. My eye's are just fine.

The Xbox fanboys sometimes show so much Ignorance, hypocrisy, and lying that the truth needs to be told on them.

jebabcock4405d ago

@MCG

Except when all their games or even most aren't on a pc...

Resolution matters more the larger your screen is... Come on now... how many years has hd tv been around you really shouldn't be commenting if you don't know or choose to ignore this?

1080p on a pc monitor or smaller screen makes little difference... A 1080p phone is pretty silly for example. The bigger the screen the more noticeable. If you are viewing comparisons from your phone or your typical pc monitor you shouldn't really see any difference.

Imalwaysright4405d ago

You mean the same hypocrites that constantly dismiss the superiority in performance of the PC? The same hypocrites that were constantly telling Xbox fanboys that the differences between 360 and PS3 didn't matter and they were experiencing the same exact games and having just as much fun as they were having?

Short memory and hypocrisy indeed expecially from individuals that say that Xbox fanboys and PC fanboys were the worst and are now acting exactly like them.

Also. you have no bussiness calling other people hypocrites telling how important resolution is and how much it should matter to them when you choose to play on lesser platforms in terms of performance and raw power.

Eddie201014404d ago (Edited 4404d ago )

You probably have no idea why you get so many disagrees and lose bubbles.

Didn't say anything negative about PC gamer's.

I also own a Xbox One and a very nice PC. There is a difference between an Xbox gamer and a Xbox Fanboy.

Nowhere did I say what anyone should do regarding resolution in games, I said what I would do and that there is a difference.

Imalwaysright seems to have read more into my comments than was there. Imalwaysright , what a narcissistic name, seems to discribe you very well. Typical

Imalwaysright4404d ago (Edited 4404d ago )

I do know why I lose bubbles its because of hypocrites PS fanboys that like to rant on about how xbox fanboys and don't like to be reminded that they're no different.

Yes I read much into your comment. Just seems funny that you went out of your way to call xbox fanboys liars because they claim to see no difference between 1080p and 900p when you yourself choose to play on lesser platforms. Can you see the difference between 1080p and 900p?

No you didn't say anything about PC gamers, I did to prove the point that ALL fanboys are hypocrites, not just xbox fanboys that you like to rant on about. If you were unbiased you wouldn't single out just one group of fanboys. It just seems hypocritical to do so when they're all the same.

As for my username is just a joke. Please tell me that you don't take usernames literally. You don't know me and if you think you do based on a username well, what does that say about you?

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MasterCornholio4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

I can tell the difference because I sit less than a meter away from my monitor.

:(

So dont call me a liar.

But I can tolerate playing games in 900P. Anything less than that is last gen in my opinion.

MultiConsoleGamer4405d ago

You need to sit further back from your monitor. Seriously. That's bad for your eyes.

But in all truth, most people only play one version of a game so they have no grounds upon which to make a comparison in the first place. So I still doubt anyone who claims to see a difference. Sure there is definitely a difference between 720p and 1080p, but 900 and 1080? Come on. That's a joke. That's just fanboys and marketing fools looking to fuel their little agendas. You're definitely smarter than that.

The entire manufactured resolution debate is ridiculous. Listening to kids argue about which console has more power is like listening to children argue about who has the fastest big wheel on the playground.

Again, and this point is irrefutable, if people really cared about resolutions and frame rates they would play all their games on PC. We both know that's true.

SilentNegotiator4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

"Again, and this point is irrefutable, if people really cared about resolutions and frame rates they would play all their games on PC"

Except to get the same results or better than a Ps4, you'd need to spend $600+ on parts and OS, and some people would rather spend less and/or have the console environment and simplicity. Gee, it's funny how your "irrefutable" point has such a blatant logical hole that you could only miss if...well, if you were blind enough to miss the difference between 900p and 1080p.

Chevalier4405d ago

Wow so people who can perceive differences are liars? Here my friend is the paragon of truth! Just because you are a multiple console owner doesn't mean everyone does or wants to be like you, in fact if every multiple console means being a jerkoff to everyone I'd advise not to. Just because your some blind idiot don't assume your opinion is above everyone else and respect your fellow gamer.

SilentNegotiator4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

"People saying they can't tell the difference between 900p and 1080p are liars trying to defend the Xbox One or have never flipped between 900p and 1080p on a PC game"

Fixed.

MysticStrummer4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

"People saying they can tell the difference between 900p and 1080p are liars."

Ridiculous.

"These same people didn't bat an eye when they played inferior versions on their PS1, PS2, and PS3. But suddenly now this issue matters to them. Hmm, I wonder why? (*cough* marketing *cough*)"

Did you say the same last generation, when smaller multi plat differences were seemingly a huge victory for 360 fans?

"If these people REALLY cared about getting the highest resolution and frame rate they would play all their games on a PC, and that goes without question. Anyone who says otherwise is just a fanboy."

Or they have no interest in gaming on a PC and therefore compare consoles…?

"See kids, that's the best part about being a multiconsolegamer. Since I own all the consoles and a PC and a Mac I literally have every option available to me. I always get the best version of any game and I never have to justify my purchase with insecure attacks on a so-called rival fanbase. It's great to be free of such nonsense. You should try it sometime."

All of that makes you sound incredibly insecure.

MasterCornholio4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

But it's a computer monitor so it doesn't make sense to sit 2 meters away from it. Seriously who sits so far away from their computer monitor?

If it was a 30 inch TV I would understand but a 22 inch monitor?

P.S I'm not a fanboy though. Sure I prefer the PS4 over the Xbox One but I'm not blind to the differences between the two systems. For example the PS4 is more powerful but its nosier than the Xbox One which is why I have to play with headphones since I sit so close the console. Unlike most people I don't deny the strengths that the other system has but I don't reject the weaknesses either. There will always be differences between the two systems because they are two consoles made by different manufacturers with differences in hardware architecture.

SilentNegotiator4404d ago (Edited 4404d ago )

He would just prefer that you sit as many meters away as it takes to not see a difference. Set up your TV in the hallway so that you can be as blind as MultipleXboxOwner. lol

choujij4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

"People saying they can tell the difference between 900p and 1080p are liars"

Says the Xbox fanboy disguised as a multi-console gamer. Yeah that's right, we can see that too.

Legacy2124405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

Its funny how People talk about this resolution stuff but never mention the importance of t.v size and how far they sit from their t.v or even what kind of t.v they have. All those play a MAJOR role on how the games look. I tried tomb raider on my brothers 8 year old 46" plasma t.v and couldnt see a big graphic upgrade. Later tried it on my 55 " sony hx850 led t.v and the difference was HUGE. Now if youre telling someone who sits a few feet away from their t.v then seeing the difference between 900p and 1080p is hard ro find if not impossible. Once you get a bigger t.v set and sit closer to the t.v then thats when you see it. And even then its hardly anything to brag about because you have to keep it on a still image and closely inspect the image to see something your average gamer doesnt do since most people actually play their games instead of standing around and pixel examine. When your running and gunning resolution is even harder to see.

Spotie4404d ago

Another of those comments of yours based solely on your opinion that you believe more than any facts thrown at you. It's just a damn shame there's no way to bubble you down for willful ignorance.

And yes, my old account was Hicken. I had intended to quit this site- something I've said before; not like I've tried to hide it- but it was absolutely asinine comments like this that brought me back. For me, it's hard to watch people pass off stupidity as intelligence, so I really had no choice.

Not that it matters; you can spread all the ignorance you want, apparently.

MultiConsoleGamer4404d ago

Here we have another one of those comments of yours that is simply a personal attack. You do not even attempt to refute any personal opinion or facts, you simply insult people and resort to the usual strawman tactics.

Admitting that you're using an alt account is a violation of the TOS as far as I know. I will be sure to bring that up with the mods.

As for your comment, well your really need to re-evaluate your priorities. You seem like you have no joy in your life. And if you're so wrapped up in the opinions of others you that you simply can't stay away, there may be larger issues with your emotions and personality.

You have a sad life my friend. Very sad. I don't feel any anger against you, just pity. Try to get help. There are better things in life than arguing with strangers.

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donnieboy4405d ago

I'll take frames over res any day. I'm ok with 900p 60fps titles. Plus the XB1 and PS4 both have great upscalers which makes the difference even harder, but the Xbox One's upscaler is far superior, being hardware based and all.

Kayant4405d ago

" but the Xbox One's upscaler is far superior, being hardware based and all." - Loooool people are still going with this. Yh it sure was amazing and superior all those months ago with the added sharpening effect /s.

They are both hardware based. There isn't anything that points to XB1's being superior.
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metatronx4405d ago

I'm not sure what type of drug MS has been giving u, but you, sir are a completely moron :)

imt5584405d ago

Dude, Sony and MS have the same upscaler based on AMD technology.

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Playstation Plus Monthly Games for May: EA Sports FC 26, Wuchang: Fallen Feathers, Nine Sols

All available May 5.

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FPSRUSSIA73d ago

What's Point in commenting your basicly closing down the site.

LiViNgLeGaCY73d ago

I'm surprised it's still the old site. I thought he said starting today?

Eonjay73d ago

Its like the final episode of the Sapranos. You gonna go to make a comment and when you click add th-

Profchaos73d ago

Timezone thing maybe.... RIP

darthv7273d ago

Insert the Ferris Bueller end scene... "You're still here? It's over.."

LiViNgLeGaCY73d ago

I think the only game here for me is Nine Sols. Was always interested in that game.

TheColbertinator73d ago

Glad I don't buy FIFA games anymore

Rebel_Scum73d ago

Hey now! Thats a great month.

Nacho_Z73d ago

Good month for me, I wanted that particular footy game and thought it might be due. Anyway who cares, shame about the site I'll miss the comment sections. All the best everyone.

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Naughty Dog Was Reportedly Divided On Joel's Controversial Fate During Development Of TLOU Part 2

Naughty Dog was reportedly divided on the controversial fate of Joel in The Last of Us Part 2 during the game's development.

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SimpleDad74d ago

NO, that can't be... No! I can't... Really?/s

Cacabunga74d ago

They for sure chose the worst way to deal with it

-Foxtrot73d ago

Funny considering Bruce left half way through development and now we get told there was an internal conflict with the story direction.

Makes you think…

HectixRose74d ago

I think it was good decision, if he was still alive, he would have been a mascot just like Kratos, drake and many others. These old dudes gotta die for new characters to take center stage with their own storyline. They keep dragging the emotional baggage into many sequels and eventually the story just turns into absolute shit show.

JEECE74d ago

It was ironic because people complained heavily about the story in the Uncharted games not having sufficient stakes because all the key characters always survived, despite the dangerous situations they were always in. Then ND killed a character in a more serious series and everyone lost their minds. Just shows that people don't always really want the thing they say they want.

CantThinkOfAUsername73d ago

I thought the more common complaint about Uncharted franchise was how the main cast are the good guys acting so nonchalantly while killing hundreds in cold blood (aka the dissonance between gameplay and story cutscenes). They just did it again in Part II.

Soy74d ago

Didn't have to kill him. Just have them part ways or Joel can "retire," whatever.

DarXyde74d ago

I don't think he would necessarily need to become a mascot (and besides, technically, I'd say Ellie is... So regardless, someone was going to be).

From a narrative perspective, I do think it has a similar effect to Ricky dying in Boyz N Da Hood: very likeable character, and you're really motivated to see the get back—in this case, it's more intense because it's an interactive experience. Most people hated Abby, but I get what they were after with portraying the cycle of violence and revenge—unfortunately, the game appears to want to take the side of the bad people.

But I will say that if Joel survived, it does become harder to tell an interesting story. What COULD have happened is an exploration into the rift between Joel and Ellie after the trolley dilemma events of the first game. It could have been interesting to see Abby out for revenge at the same time Ellie hated Joel.

Ashunderfire8673d ago

Sorry just had to say this lol! RICKYYYY!

Man Cuba Gooding Jr was miscast in that movie, but that part was cringey it was sad and funny at the same time man.

Ashunderfire8673d ago (Edited 73d ago )

I understand but the way they went about killing Joel, was poorly executed. Even the show of the Last of Us games tried to improved it, but it was just as bad. Well at least Joel got to know the reason why he had to die, before the death happened in the show. That part gave us the full context, but the game just let it happen with no pay off.

Joel death should have been a midway thing through the story, so we at least get to play him a little more with Ellie. Abby didn’t need to be this Hulk looking woman, but more like the show Abby which is a beater idea in my opinion.

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InUrFoxHole74d ago

The only ND game that was so disappointing to me I couldn't finish it.

pwnmaster300074d ago

Honestly as much as I loved the game, they could have just not killed him off.
I get it creator vision and all but killing a character that made you millions is just wrong imo. At least have him go down fighting.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot74d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle74d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7774d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments