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How Nintendo Does Backwards Compatibility Better Than Microsoft and Sony

Are console manufactures increasingly looking towards backwards compatibility to bulk out a thin selection of next-gen games?

While the focus to provide next-gen access to legacy games is on Microsoft and Sony, Nintendo, arguably the weakest of the three console manufacturers in terms of its future games line-up, has of course been pursuing a policy of backwards compatibility for years via its Virtual Console download service.

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NeverStopGaming4346d ago

It is the least they could do since there are no 3rd party games to play on the Wii U.

zero_gamer4346d ago

And plenty of first party games to play on the Wii U.

LOL_WUT4346d ago

Besides SSB i'm more interested in their 2015 lineup. They also need to release a better selection of VC games atba faster rate because dogeball, and tennis doesn't cut it. ;)

wonderfulmonkeyman4346d ago

I bet you're one of those people that drools over the indie title no man's sky, then conveniently forgets that Indies count as good third party support when someone mentions the selection on wii u.
If you can't find good third party title on the wii u, you aren't looking hard enough.

InTheLab4346d ago

You totally made up a point that has nothing to do with what was actually said...

Very defensive here.

wonderfulmonkeyman4346d ago

@ Lab
My point refers to his statement that there's no third party games on Wii U, so it's actually not made up at all.
Try reading next time.

deafdani4346d ago (Edited 4346d ago )

Yup, I personally don't see any indie game coming soon for Wii U that looks as impressive or interesting or ambitious as No Man's Sky.

And to be clear, I'm not shitting on indie games. I love some of them, like Runner 2, Trine 3, Super Meat Boy, VVVVVV, Mutant Mudds, Limbo and 'Splosion Man.

As for the upcoming Wii U indie games, I still haven't seen many that have truly gotten my attention, sadly, except for Guacamelee and maybe Shantae. Oh, and Shovel Knight!

And that's because I personally am already pretty fed up with 2D sidescrollers. That's a great gaming genre, but we're way too saturated with these kinds of games nowadays, and I want to take a break from them for a while.

randomass1714346d ago

@deafdani Well there's always A Hat in Time. A Wii U version isn't guaranteed, but the dev team is trying really hard to make it happen. Shantae looks really pretty and the Wii U is getting both of the Oddworld HD remakes as well. Sure they're all multiplat, but they're not bad games to own on Wii U, especially if they are expected to run just as well on Wii U as on any platform.

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darthv724346d ago

i have plenty of 3rd party games to play on the Wii-u. It just happens that they are wii games but they do play on the wii-u.

KakashiHotake4346d ago (Edited 4346d ago )

Backwards compatibility is a little overrated in my opinion. It only has value in a consoles launch cycle. If you want to play old games then just keep your old console. PS Now is also a viable source if you want to experience the past.

mikel10154346d ago

See why would I pay outrageously every month for a terrible excuse for the lack of BC when I can get BC when I get the console from the start?

Revolver_X_4346d ago

So the PS4 being a completely different architecture from PS3 is a terrible excuse? Do you even get that concept or are you just a mindless drone?

zero_gamer4346d ago (Edited 4346d ago )

Backward compatibility is dead. In its place comes $60 remasters and subscription services. BC was cheaper and better than the modern solutions.

KakashiHotake4346d ago

I agree that was better but as technology improves it's harder and more expensive to continue running old hardware on new hardware.

randomass1714346d ago

What? PCs do it just fine and Wii U is running games from several past generations on it and the list is only going to get higher.

LamerTamer4346d ago (Edited 4346d ago )

@randomass171

That is because PC architecture is BC by nature, they all use X86 and Windows with compatible libraries etc.

Nintendo can do it because they too use a similar architecture. The Wii U is a buffed up Wii which is a buffed up GameCube. They all use Power PC CPUs and ATI GPUs. Anything pre GC they just emulate in software.

With the X1 and PS4 it is different. It is not some big conspiracy by the Bilderburgs or Illuminati to rip you off. The architecture is just way too different. The new consoles use 1.6-1.7 GHz X86. The 360 uses a 3.2 GHz tri core PowerPC, the PS3 a 3.2 GHz PowerPC based cell CPU. To emulate a different CPU you need a CPU many times faster than the one you are emulating. As you see the current gen actually runs slower so emulation not possible. The reason they switched CPU types is because AMD could make a SoC with everything on one die, and because devs are more familiar with X86 and standard type GPUs.

Because the hardware is so different the only way to run older games would be to actually include PS3 hardware in the PS4. Of course that adds cost and people would complain about the extra $100, especially if they don't care about BC. PS1 is so old that software emulation is no problem. PS2 is harder but still it could be possible.

Concertoine4346d ago

It is a nice thing to have. The thought of having to keep this bigass 360 hooked up even after i get an xbone just to play the 40 games i have on 360 is a little disheartening.

That said BC has been on the way out. Whereas Ps2 had almost flawless BC, PS3 has limited. Also the 360 had dodgy BC.

thereapersson4346d ago

Most rational comment I've read on this article. Though I will admit that I would keep my PS3 hooked up anyway due to the current lack of media functions on the PS4. My PS4 doesn't work with my amplifier due to it (the amplifier) only utilizing analog inputs. I have to get a D/A converter for my PS4, which is annoying.

Deadpoolio4346d ago

It wasn't almost flawless...It was perfect, PS2 had PS1 guts inside it...And the 20gb/60GB PS3s had PS2 guts inside of them, until people cried about the price and they needed to find a cheaper solution or remove it...MS didn't do any better with BC some Xbox games still barely work on 360 and their claim about making every original Xbox game BC was a lie since they dropped that 2 months later.....

I think some people have a difficult time grasping just what it takes to get a old game to play on a new console

mydyingparadiselost4346d ago (Edited 4346d ago )

Playing those old games is reliant on having the old console that will play those games. My Xbox died shortly before getting a 360, my PS2 died before getting a PS3. With the older cartridge based consoles it wasn't as big of a deal, I still easily find working SNES,NES and Genesis consoles but with all the intricate parts and focus on making things cheaper instead of quality oriented it's not realistic anymore to think my console is going to work that far into the next gen.
I don't want to have to track down another console every time my old one breaks because the industry wants to push buying their new games instead of letting me play the old ones.

Summons754346d ago

Psnow won't be a viable resource. They already said it will be 3-20/game you rent. Why do that when I can play Skyward Sword and Galaxy 2 on my WiiU anytime I want and not pay a dime? I still have my Ps3 for now (but you never know when it could die just like any system) but why should I leave my old library to collect dust when the PS4 CAN identify a PS3 game, They should honestly allow PSnow to let you play you're PS3 games for free ONLY if you have the disc in the system.

In 2014 there honestly isn't a reason we can have backward compatibility for physical AND digital purchases. We spend hundreds of dollars per generation for what just for them to tell us we need to dish out extra money for the games we already own plus all the new ones? BC doesn't affect price and it doesn't take away from software sales, so what is the real reason MS and Sony are afraid of it when Nintendo had no problem doing it?

hkgamer4346d ago

its a lot easier for nintendo to do bc since their hardware is similar to the older generations. wii was basically gc x2.... not sure if wii and wii u have similar architectures, but i guess wii components are cheap atm.

would be nice if sony released a complete playstation where we could play every single playstation game released.

randomass1714346d ago

Don't forget the latency issues that are currently plaguing game streaming. I truly do not feel that internet speeds are at a point where you can justify charging $4/hour to stream data instead of selling actual game downloads.

IonDestroy4346d ago (Edited 4346d ago )

@hkgamer

Wii U is capable of executing gamecube code however the lack of an actual way to play them is the problem. Of course, that's not to say that the Wii U killed GC backwards compatibility, as the Wii, after a few revisions, had the same problem: lack of interface.

The Wii's "Broadway" chip is based around the Gamecube's "Gekko" chip. In the same vein the Wii U's "Espresso" chip is based around Broadway; the three consoles all share quite a bit with one another. Given the limitations it's quite fun to see what Nintendo can do with the hardware in terms of compatibility, maybe we'll see Gamecube VC games soon.

LamerTamer4346d ago (Edited 4346d ago )

@hkgamer

Yes the Wii and Wii U are similar. The whole family are PowerPC CPUs with ATI GPUs. They are put together similar too.

@IonDestroy

Actually the reason the Wii U can't run GC games is kind of simple. The disk drive of the Wii U can't read the smaller GC discs! The tray style loader is gone. The software part to run GC could be done. That is basically it, and I guess Nintendo didn't want to invest in a special drive to accept the small format.

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hkgamer4346d ago

yeah, it varies depending on different people.

im pretty sure a lot of people prefer having one console in front of their console instead of a whole bunch.

i dont really mind not being able to play ps3 games. but its hard to not be annoyed about my digital psn games. i mean games such as sega classics or scott pilgrim.

what happened to ps2 emulation rumors for the ps4? got pretty excited about that.

MNGamer-N4346d ago

Nah backwards compatibility is great, because I can now get rid of my wii system and keep all mah games.

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MCTJim4346d ago (Edited 4346d ago )

lets call it what it is..a pay service. If I own the game, I slip it in the new console and I can play it. That is what backwards compatibility is. This PS Now and Virtual Console is not backwards compatibility.

I personally just keep the other systems hooked up and if I want to play older games on last gen, I just turn those on.

hkgamer4346d ago

yeah backwards compatibility should mean being able to play a game that works on the original console aswell as the new console. so vita is basically 50% bc .

Wni04346d ago

By releasing the same games with better graphics for 3+ generations yeah

zero_gamer4346d ago

Like Sony and MS are now doing?

Wni04346d ago

I didnt know Uncharted and Gears were from playstation 1 era

Gemmol4346d ago

People who say they do not care for backwards compatibility is liars, when Sony drop the ps2, everyone was happy they could play their ps1 games, but now that Sony and Microsoft drop it, they make up all types of reasons to say they do not like it either......its just like the article yesterday about Sony moving their focus off the vita to the ps4/playstation TV/Playstation Now......if you look at comments all over the internet, all the vita owners are saying well I only like indie games or I only like third party games anyway......this is funny to me.....its just too funny, these people are the true definition of brand loyalty...

Reeze4346d ago

Exactly... When something happens that you dislike, it's ok to voice your opinion. You shouldn't feel like you have to defend something simply because you like the company doing it.

randomass1714346d ago

Hear, hear. Sony's the best IMO, but I'm not for streaming games. I like owning the games I pay for and I don't like that my only option for PS4 backwards compatibility is only streaming and possibly only rentals at that.

plmkoh4346d ago

Who are these 'people' you speak about? I can tell you I don't give a rats ass about Bc and a happily still have my original 2006 60gb launch ps3 still plugged into my TV only having played 2 ps2 games in that 7 year period.

And 'vita owner's? Yeah as a Vita owner I can tell you I ain't one bit happy about the lack of big title games, haven't bought a single indie title on that since I bought mine launch 2011.

Revolver_X_4346d ago

Show me someone who said " I only like indies anyways." Link please. Your stealth trolling is ridiculous . Not everyone cares for BC. When I was a kid sure. I have very limited time to play games, let alone revisiting a 3 year old one. I play a game until platinum or 100% completion and then I move on. Honestly, if your favorite franchises were innovating to your satisfaction you shouldnt feel the need to replay its older rendition. Instead of me wanting to play GoW2 or Syphon Filter, I'd prefer a new one, a new experience. Just because you like playing 1 old ass game a million times, doesnt mean we should.

Gemmol4346d ago

read ign article about the same topic and look at the comments, you will be amazed at what they saying, it is beyond brand loyalty

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio14d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing14d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9214d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit14d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing14d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9214d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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(For Southeast Asia) New Price Changes for PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal remote player

For Southeast Asia, new price changes.

Prices effective starting May 1st, 2026.

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BeHunted16d ago

Looks like PlayStation took a hit with Marathon and is now quietly adjusting prices worldwide to recover the losses

andy8516d ago

Lets be honest raising prices doesn't do that when no one's buying it. I imagine the profit it greater selling 10 times more at a lower price

Pergele16d ago

Whatever you say buddy, let's all wear the tinfoil hats.

IceKoldKilla16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

LMFAO Your comment alone says a lot more about you than anything else. When has one game not selling 10 million copies made a company raise the prices of their console? Then Xbox would be costing $5000 by now lol. You remind of the crazy drug addicts on the street rambling on about conspiracies. xD You sure you don't need a hug, buddy?

ChunkyMonk16d ago

One game that Sony payed $200 million for. lol
Also, you sure were quick to get triggered. Maybe your the one who needs a hug?

Eonjay15d ago

If nothing else, we should be united against the real issue here. AI and unnecessary tariffs that are effecting all gamers.

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Athlon10116d ago (Edited 16d ago )

The price increases are due to the RAM demand associated with AI and the US-Iran war. You can look to any business news website and local news to see that. Heck, even the 2026 Asus Zenbook Duo I've been eyeing has faced delays and has had a price increase of $400; that laptop has two specs. Asus is doing a staggered release with per-orders for the lower spec now and shipping in May and pre-orders for the higher spec that I'm eyeing starting in June. Basically, all computer manufactures are affected. It'll most likely start affecting smart phones too if it hasn't already. I can't remember the last time any major console maker (Nintendo, Sony, Sega, etc) increased the price of their console mid cycle outside of Microsoft just to make more profit.

S2Killinit15d ago

Its not the war. Its the RAM issue.

jznrpg15d ago

War is causing gas prices to rise. Transport of everything requires gas so the prices of those items go up as well. So it does have an impact

Athlon10115d ago (Edited 15d ago )

The blockage of the Straight of Hormuz due to the US-Iran war has affected raw components used in semi-conductor manufacturing such as bromine, aluminum, and helium. Iran had attacked the liquified natural gas (LNG) plant in Qatar which is a large producer (1/3 globally) of helium which is used in semiconductor etching. So it's the both the war and the RAM crises.

badz14916d ago

Oh no...should I get the Pro now before the price increase?

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay16d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn216d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn215d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown16d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay16d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay16d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac15d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger16d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300016d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde16d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde15d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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