shit yeah! *active reload*

"You can call Microsoft, you can call Sony hell you can call companies like EA, Activision, Capcom and even Square Enix but when it comes to Nintendo it's totally off limits most of the times."

Say something negative about Sony or one of their games on this site, i dare you lol.

I agree, but i do have to agree with the others moreso. Me and you have gone back and forth SO many times on this site and i always find you generalizing an entire fanbase based on this stupid, fanboy ridden site. If you own a Wii U and you go on Miiverse you will see a majority of paying customers (that is, not the kids and trolls) feeling the way i do about Nintendo, namely, that they need to set up a successful plan to save their system. And that is totally false about there only being defensive fanboys on Nintendo articles, i can say all day that im sick of HD remasters making my 60 dollar copy of a game i bought last year obsolete and irrelevant from a collector's standpoint, but i will have endless replies from TLOU and Sony fans. And either way, that's my opinion, and i'm likely in the minority. Like when you said the whole Tomodachi Life scandal which i, and most including non-nintendo fans like DragonKnight found completely ridiculous, was only receiving the defense it did because the game was made by Nintendo.
I just find your responses to be overly hostile and extreme, and you'll cherry pick evidence (like comparing early build photos of DKCTF to retail, upscaled versions of DKCR and mention the lack of graphical difference) and say contradictory things (you'll say you don't care about diagrees then complain about diagrees). It really makes you come across as someone who WANTS to dislike something.
I hope you don't get the idea that i actively go out of my way to refute every point you make, because sometimes i DO agree with you. But when you post as often as you do, there's bound to be a lot of times i have something "au contraire."
Whenever you get a Wii U and MK8, feel free to add me. I'll kick your butt online :P

I completely disagree with you. Nintendo isn't perfect and should be held accountable and critized for the bad mistakes they have made but when you make that your only aim and priority, that's when people start thinking that your hater especially when people will most of the time find you in a negative Nintendo article than a positive one.

It's like you have plenty to say when Nintendo does something wrong but when they do something right then your no where to be seen, you struggle to give credit when it's due and seem to be just as upset when Nintendo does something right as much as you are when they do something wrong because when they do something right it robs you of the chance to moan and criticize.

The Nintendo fans are well aware of Nintendo's short comings but unlike you they are also aware of the positive to and don't feel the need to only focus on the negative as there are enough "haters" doing that already.

"All people are doing is giving harsh criticism so Nintendo will improve, we don't them to go down and out, nobody wants that. It's tough love at the end of the day."

I don't think the people who want Nintendo to go third party are offering harsh criticism at all. Just unrealistic and hypocritical passive aggressive lust to play Nintendo games on a Sony/Microsoft console. You're really over glorifying the criticism that is thrown toward Nintendo using the same tired rhetoric I've been seeing since the Wii U was first unveiled.

Yes, the Wii U was botched. The marketing was crap. No third party support and Nintendo's release schedule was ludicrous up until the second half of last year. Let's see some new debate for a change. This opinion piece was very late to the party to begin with if you ask me.

edit: And if we're going to bother talking about separating criticism from hatred, why don't the people who criticize Nintendo ever have anything positive to say? Their performance with Wii U isn't perfect but I NEVER hear any sort of positive critique either. Don't try to make it out like its one sided and all the Nintendo fans are against you if most of your comments are filled with negativity.

i agree

that's all i get here. called a troll and a hater when i am in fact a nintendo fan.

some people just cant handle any criticism leveled at nintendo, no matter how fair or justified they are.

it is well documented that nintendo have disappointed year after year at e3 for some time now. last year was an all time low with them barely even being there.

so personally, im not expecting much from them at e3 this year. people are expecting big title announcements like starfox but i think what we will actually see is nintendo pushing more casual games like wiiu music.

the wiiu was suppose to be a console for core gamers, and nintendo did at first make an attempt to make that happen. but since the wiiu has proven to be a failure, i can definitely see nintendo pushing for the casual market now, in an attempt to capture some of that wii glory from last generation.

"Unlike Nintendo they have third party support to keep us happy".

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that smaller third parties and indie developers[who are themselves the smallest but still count as third party] are not only giving Nintendo plenty of support and growing, but are actually out-doing some of the AAA releases with their ideas?
Being multiplatform in some cases doesn't dismiss the fact that they count as support, and good support at that in many cases.

Nintendo's third party selection can't be counted as weak so long as anything other than AAA releases still count.

Having said that, AAA's have been screwing up their efforts with ports for the Wii U for ages now.
And that's only partially Nintendo's fault; Nintendo should be telling them not to do that, to go out and make games built from the ground up for the system until either #1 something catches on and sells big, or #2 there's so many unique exclusives that the system's AAA third party support is impossible to ignore even by comparison.

That's what Nintendo should be pushing for in regards to third parties.
Not ports of games like The Witcher 3.

Also, the reason you get so many disagrees is because a lot of people have logical reasons to do so, Fox.
You're not getting that many downvotes for no reason, and there are quite a few more logical fans amongst the diehard than you're giving credit to.[also, grouping diehard fans and fanboys together? Please don't]

I don't know a single person who can claim that Nintendo's advertisement efforts have been up to snuff outside of their recent Mario Kart campaign[which is unexpectedly massive and wide-spread in so short a time], for instance, and I've met quite a few diehard fans who care about the system's sales despite already owning one and WANT to see Nintendo do a lot of things differently.

The thing about releasing those games though is if they had released them they would have been unfinished, any mistake they made on that front they made years ago. Nintendo are in a catch 22 situation with this kind of thing. Look at what happens when even one element of one of their games isn't absolutely perfect, people jump on it. "x game is the worst of the series, nintendo is doomed, bla, bla bla". Imagine how much worse that would be if they released an actually bad or unfinished game. Seeing as right now they exist solely on their own IP and they've already had a lot of bad press, they can't afford to be in that situation, every game has to be perfect or the negative press will kill any chance of the wii u recovering. Nintendo knows this and so we get delays, but then these delays mean no games. So either way it's a bad situation but to be honest I'd rather have the delays than incomplete titles.

Oh foxtrot must be talking about fans that see a problem and yell out what nintendo needs to do and then confidently beat on their chest as they repeat their ill advised nonsense as if only their solutions are right. You know the dumb stuff like fire Iwata, drop the game pad, or release some games that don't really sell well historically. Basically those comments seem to come from the geico cave man no matter what your representation is they will always be wrong. You see people that have been gaming for a long time and or making money in the gaming industry see a larger picture and are not riding the hate wagon.

One point is gamers are not as cash strapped as the media let on way back in 2006. Plus the ressesion is still strangling most economy's. So cheap consoles are important.

The second point is armchair analysis are often wrong. Just because nintendo is doing it wrong does not mean you or sony or ms is doing it right.

The hype that the ps4 is incredibly high. Basically there is a fanbase so in love with sony or afraid of their rivals that they have "shown their support" with out any real reasons that are not based out of wishful thinking. That is a lot of good will and that is what any good investors would call a bubble. All it would take is one zeitgeist like expose on why sony is in bad shape and why they never truly because a "games" company. They just realized they could sell confusion to a younger generation full of followers rather than leaders.

I'm one of the biggest followers of what these companies are doing. It is sad to see sony believing that they had to sell the ps4 at a lost to stay relevant. That sales pitch worked to people that don't know how gddr5 works. The shrinking pc market also means less people understand the very tech they are hyping.

Sony could have easily produced titles to go head to head with Nintendo games. Instead they tried to bank on or convert gamers into movie gamers. To some extent this has worked. Yet sony can no longer afford to pursue that trend. That is sonys main problem. Every time sony has tried to out nintendo um mm nintendo, they failed. Then some fanboy or something else claims we just love nintendo. I really really hated the ngc and the n64... they game play was horrible on those systems. Factor 5 basically begged nintendo to release a wii instead of the ngc. I'm not sure what that cost would have been back then but maybe the tech was not ready.

Everything I can think of as being wrong for the wiiu can be fixed.
Nintendo land dlc and online hub option for miiverse needs to happen.
I've talked with Nintendo directly about 3rd parties actually making games that compete with Nintendo lost franchises. Easier said than done.
The account system nnid like steam needs to happen.
The 3ds refresh that is a gamepad. Obviously people want this, nintendo even wants this.
One os to rule all nintendo platforms. Then extention off that core os would be great. Tech has gotten to a point that we really don't want to find a different way to write the quake 3 engine which is open source now lol.

Nintendo needs to offer a contract option for buying their consoles also with the steam like account and maybe even mod support with lots of miiverse support and reactions.

Many big studio made huge returns and are going to down size their teams this gen. It seems nintendo and indies are ready for this.

I could go on with what nintendo needs to fix yet i could do the same with sony. Ms will be fine... you can not kill a zombie with x man like powers.