PS3 Multiplayer Games
Mag
Killzone 1-3
Uncharted 1-3
Gran Turismo 5-6
Resistance 2-3
Little Big Planet 1&2
Little Big Planet Carting
PlayStation All-star Battle Royal
The Last Of Us
Mod nation Racers
Haze
DC Universe Online
Tekken Revolution
Dust 514
Free Realms

Oh your right truefan Sony really abandoned mp gaming. You Xbox fanboysddon't search hard enough when laying down your claims. Like when you guys claim Halo is the best selling console exclusice, I think to myself "Does Gran Turismo and every other Nintendo Exclusive not exist?"

Georgenoob is the perfect example of you guys' skewed reality, smfh you guys are such dumbasses.

@Truefan

Of course you agree with Yusuf, as a microsoft employee you are not allowed to disagree. You are probably one of those guys clapping in the background at tje reveal last year :)

@The above people

No need to take that guy serious, everybody who writes MSFT is a tool either because they work for MS or because they are just too far up the butt of their suits overlords.

@Truefan again
The joke of the day is you saying that you had been excited tp get a PS4 at launch. Surely you where as excited to get a PS4 as I was to get a X1 at launch.

And just for the fun. If Sony is just doing the same with the PS4 as with the PS3. I can only say awesome the PS4 owners are in.for a treat for the full console life cycle. The PS3 had a lot more and more frequently GTOY worthy games compared to the 360 when they got obligatory Halo and Gears of War nominations and not really anything bised of that. *drops mic*

@Ace

Most of the games you named were single player games with a crap multiplayer slapped onto it.
Uncharted and The Last of Us are the main two. Xbox will always be the better multiplayer console. The PS4 will definitely need to step up its multiplayer exclusives, because Killzone doesn't cut it

Just to play devil's advocate, if you guys think the PS3 was such a great console, why do you think Sony lost so much market share last gen?

The PS4 is doing just about everything right this gen. Sony hasn't deviated from their plan and the system is selling extremely well. Paid multiplayer is giving the division a much needed shot in the arm as far as revenue goes and the hardware is very solid. The only thing they have done that worries me is split their focus between Morpheus, PSNow and the PS4. Balancing the three will be tricky.

Microsoft has been extremely consistant in being inconsistant. In the past year they have completely abandoned their intitial vision of the Xbox One by listening to everyone other than their core userbase. Dropping Kinect all but abandons support for the device leaving them with a weaker console than the competition and very little that makes them different or gives them an identity. It would be one thing if they had the weaker platform and the stronger first party development house, but they don't. A weaker platform and smaller first party studio sounds like a bad combination.

@Aceblazer13

You forgot...

Resistance 1
Warhawk
Starhawk
Metal Gear Online
Socom
...and probably still more.

Did someone really say the PS3 didn't have exclusive multiplayer games?

@Death
They lost that much marketshare for many reasons.

#1 The PS2 set an almost impossible standard to replicate.

#2 They lost the marketshare early because the 360 came out a year before, and the Wii had Wii Sports and a 1996 instead of 2006 price.

#3 As the generation wore on, they steadily were gaining back market share. They caught Microsoft with a year less on sale, and odds are, since Sony tends to keep their consoles on sale for much longer then Microsoft, it wouldn't surprise me to see it end up selling 10-15 million more consoles then the Xbox 360, seeing how you'll probably still be able to buy a PS3 in 2020. Xbox 360? Most likely not. Afterall they kept making PS2's until December 2012.

#4 They acted a fool similar to what Microsoft just did (and as Yusuf showcases STILL IS), except only 1/500th of the screwups. If such a small number of screwups helped lead to the situation the PS3 was in, how bad can it get for Xbox One with all these screwups? It's like comparing a hang nail (Sony PS3 screwups...get a 2nd job) to being Beatrix Kiddo'ed by a Hattori Hanzo sword.

#5 The price. Consistently higher then the competitors.

#6 Plenty of in-house exclusives, but far less number of total exclusives since most games went multiplatform, along with a period of time where many mid-level developers went belly up.

@death
Reasons for 360 early success:
Year head start
Way lower price point
More support from 3rd party since it was easier to develop for
First HD console on the market
More support (game wise) from first party (which we all know all but vanished as the generation continued)

Is your IQ like 6 or something? Do you actually believe a word you just said?

@ death

while I understand what you are saying, the whole lost market share is bs, every new gen is a reset not a continuation.

It is a reset every gen, how can it be a continuation?, thats like saying sega still has a console market share, you know cause they had so many million sold, bs man, each gen is a reset on market share, yes there is a core fanbase but its not 150 million is it? Like it or not the reasons you have been given to your question is bang on, price, time on market and games.

Each new gen is not a "reset". Sony has a core user base, Nintendo has one and so does Microsoft. If you have 150 million happy PS2 customers, as a company you expect them to become 150 million happy PS3 customers. Sony owning 75% of the marketshaore in gaming expected to do the same with the PS3. It's naive to say things start over.

As for the year headstart, Nintendo launched the Wii at the same time as Sony launched the PS3. Nintendo went on to sell over 100 million units.

@death

Stop picking and choosing your argument points. You bring up the Wii selling the same time as PS3 but fail to mention the starting price point of each.

Picking and choosing would be saying it sold more because of the selling point.

You can make exclusions and excuses all day. None are relevant to what happened. Sony lost marketshare to both of their competitors. Sony chose to launch later and at a higher price point. That was the strategy they ran with. As a result they lost marketshare. For some reason people here feel Sony would have "dominated" had they released the same day as the Xbox 360. That is nothing more than an excuse, not a valid arguement and can't change the past.

Death they still had that ps2 market share, that never went anywhere, you are adding two different gens together to try and make your point. We could look at it another way, micro had 100 percent of the market to themselfs for a year in us and a year and a half in europe, they were leading by what? Like 10 mill? So who really lost market share for that gen?

I just want to say. I find it amazing how people put so much effort into replying to your comments. You do help to make N4G entertaining though.

Marketshare for 1 year? That would be more picking and choosing.

With each hardware generation, each manufacturer is looking to not only replicate their current marketshare, but also to expand on it. When Sony sold 100+ million Playstation's, the goal with the PS2 was to carry that user base to the next generation and maintain their revenue stream. No manufacturer is looking to lose marketshare and investors don't care that a new generation started, they simply want to get a return on their investment. It's naive to think with the PS3 Sony's goal was anything other than maintaining their 75% marketshare while increasing revenue and profit.

Argue all you want that the system was late, overpriced, had a bad start due to subpar software the first year etc. As this generation winds down we have sales and profit history we can look at. Sony not only lost marketshare, but the division has failed to maintain a profit since the PS3 launched. On the flip side we can see Microsoft has made a profit with their console and increased sales/marketshare. Nintendo did the same until they launched the WiiU.

@Death: your argument fails for multiple reasons.

One is that market share does not carry over. If it did, Microsoft and Nintendo would have put up generation 7 numbers in the eighth generation. That obviously did not happen.

Price point, marketing, actual market presence and many other things contribute to market share each generation.

And there's the fact that the market, itself, grew. At the start of the eighth gen, there was something less than 200 million consoles sold. Here, at the start of the ninth, there were closer to 300 million sold. Surely the growth of the market, in general, would account for some of that change?

Surely, any of a dozen reasonable arguments can be made. But surely, they don't need to be, as I'm certain you fully understand the reason behind said arguments.

For whatever reason, though, you're choosing to ignore good sense. Which is a fairly weak way to present a argument.

Market share doesn't carry over on it's own, but the goal of each company is to not only maintain their presence, but also grow. All three sell hardware as a means to sell software and services. Microsoft and Nintendo not only carried over their 7th gen numbers, they gained more market share in the 8th gen. Sony is the only company that not only failed to maintain market share, they also sold less consoles then the previous gen. All three companies revenue and profits reflect this.

I do find it impressive that so many here on N4G feel that Playstation owners completely forget about brand loyalty and software preference every gen and select a new console based on price and when the consoles are released. I'm not sure what that says about the fanbase.

Death you do realise that you kind of just agreed with what I said earlier dont you? I never mentioned what the company expected or anything else other than you cant carry market share from one gen to the next, you are changing your original argument as a way of not having to agree with what I said, oh and as far as im aware both microsoft and sony have only really started making profit off hardware in the last couple of years and neither company made back what they put in.

Oh yeah and how am I picking and choosing? The xbox 360 had a year in the us and a year and a half in europe all to itself before the other next gen console arrived, thats a fact, not picking and choosing.

Sony abandoned multiplayer?!

GOW Ascension, TLOU, Dragons Crown, GT6, Tekken Revolution, MLB13 The Show were all PS3 exclusives -last year- with multiplayer. Hell, even Beyond Two Souls and Puppeteer had couch co-op!

One dimensional? Because Ni No Kuni was sooo much like Gears of War Judgment. You can't rewrite history that's still fresh in everybody's minds. This Yusuf guy is just as greasy

"...so in that respect people have less of a need to upgrade in the short term due to regular updates for the Xbox 360"

What updates Yusuf? You had no 360 exclusives last year to backlog people from upgrading to the One. If anything, XBone sales should be way more considering you starved your install base for 2 years.

@ truefan1

You are a joke. Seriously. The PS3 let you down last gen? But the 360 didn't? Really? Please elaborate on the MANY games, since 2010, that you could play on the 360 that was not available on the PS3. You can't, because there was about a handful of exclusives they offered you. Ask any PS3 gamer how many games were available to them, since 2010, that was not available on the 360. There aren't enough fingers and toes on the human body to count them. The 360 was a complete let down, especially looking back retrospectively. They started strong with great exclusives, then by about 2008 they slowed down, and by 2010 it's as if they completely gave up on the core gamer. That's the exact opposite of progress. The ps3 had a very rough start, but caught its stride around 2008 and started getting a lot of exclusive games, and are still getting exclusive games. Not to mention they have carried all their momentum over to the ps4, and not at the expense of the ps3 (unlike Microsoft).

Microsoft has rode the bandwagon of multiplatforms games for the past 4 years, and now that the competitor has superior multiplatforms they don't matter anymore. Now it's about launch exclusives, which were just games that 360 owners were robbed of so that Microsoft could fluff a mediocre xbox one launch line up. But what will it be when the ps4 has more multiplats with higher fidelity AND more exclusives with higher fidelity? The cloud (which is still unproven as anything more than dedicated servers)?

From around 2010 up until recently (around the time spencer was announce as the head of the xbox division), the xbox brand has been nothing but a let down. At least to me. The last time I turned on my 360 was to play gears of war 3, because after that pretty much every game (other than forza or halo, neither of which I really care for) I could play on the ps3. I'm hoping I can play sunset overdrive (I'm really feeling that game so far), if I can find an xbox one for what I feel is a good price.

Death, you're way too obsessed with marketshare blips. Like it shouldn't fluctuate. Look at how much Nintendo has been up and down, and up and down again over 30 years. 50 million here, 20 million there, 100 million here, 5 million there.

Following up a meager 25million debut with one year of no competition, Xbox darn well better have gained market share.

^^^^^^ this guy gets it ^^^^^^

Dude. Truefan. It's time to be quiet now.

@truefan

Absolute BS!

You gave never owned a Playstation product in your life, especially not a PS3 or PS4.

Stop defending PR BS from MS.

@truefan1: Of course you agree with Yusuf, no one would expect otherwise of you. I mean, you're only one of the biggest MS fanboys in the entire world.

As for the PS3, tell me how Yusuf can be right when with a higher price, later start, and the media bashing it left right and center, the PS3 still came out on top over the 360 and is still offering games while MS just dropped support of the 360 like a bad habit?

"The Order should have a 4-player coop, no excuses."

Says who? You? Who are you? You gonna fund the money for the development of the game? No? Then STFU. Here's a reason why it doesn't have 4 player co-op. Because Ready At Dawn didn't want to put it in the game. That isn't an excuse, it's a statement.

@Death: You never play devil's advocate. You're an MS fanboy and always have been.

So just go over what people have already told you.

Yes, each generation is a clean slate, market share of the past gen is irrelevant. We've seen this time and again.

The 360 had a year free of competition, but more importantly a year for developers to get used to developing on the console. This means that, in terms of development, the 360 was 2 years ahead of the PS3 in terms of developer comfort. So the reason the PS3 initially lost a lot of marketshare was due to the PS2's impossibly high standards, the 360's year of no competition, and the 360's 2 years of development knowledge over the PS3 making it easier to make better games on the 360.

You're trying to suggest that people didn't want a PS3 and that's why the marketshare was lost. You couldn't be more wrong as you, and every Xbox fanboy there is, know but are unwilling to admit that when the PS3 launched, it outsold the 360 globally every.single.year.

i'd say the same thing applies to VR

The Hololens is simply augmented reality attached to your face. Almost every console from PS3 to 3DS has tried to implement a gaming experience into augmented reality and failed. If Nintendo, of all people, could not succeed, Microsoft likely won't either.

MS gotta lie to pump sales. dont see anyone but diehard x1's gamers buying this.

@nX

You don't see yourself gaming with it because you can't judging by all your anti Xbox One MS comment history.

NX you just gave a woody, saying Fallout and Elder scolls with VR OMG

The fact that for a single person, or even someone that is not single, the ability to not having to or wanting to upgrade your t.v every couple of years this is a winner right there.

100 inch t.v screen on any wall you like - priceless. No cables no drilling no brackets - nothing.

hololens could indeed have an incredible future.

@dboy

Or the opposite because it will not have much to do with gaming. Like Kinect had many applications outside of gaming, and ultimately failed to do anything as a result.

IT reminds me of Google Glass in the ways it could be effective

Indie games will fly to this device, how many indie games are on pc's tablet's and mobile phones, but I too am looking forward to the non-gaming options, movies for one.

Why couldn't Hololens also be VR? All it would take is an extra peice of plastic to block out the environment around you.

They already kinda did with Vita. The main difference being Vita doesn't strap to your face.

But otherwise it got quite a few uses in the AR world.

It still wouldn't really be a gaming peripherals, so nothing would change for me, I think the tech is really cool, but I'd have no use for it, I'm sure companies will though, and others.

Saying that I also don't really care for VR either, besides that multiplayer Mech game, non have really interested me.

Speak for your self fanboy. I would react the same way but the way you fanboys act like everything is against you and then act innocent is stupid and obvious, same goes for sony fanboys. These topics have an opinion aspect , not every sony fan will act the same.

I didn't like how sony supported the vita and i did talk against sony in the same year they released the vita and i got tons of disagrees, those that saw reality agreed with me but fanboys really proved themselfs at that point now the ones that disagreed are doing what i did. Many people who like sony products do the same as me. I don't care about sony , i care about what i will get.

I am still doubting VR which is focused on games let alone something that is not related to games. All i care about is a better but reasonable experience for gaming. VR sounds promising yet needs to prove it self before i support it or claim anything. As for AR , i am sure a billion% that if anyone bought it for gaming will be disappointed just like what happened to kinect. This is not a feature , this is an expensive device, gaming so far use it as an extra feature because it's hard to come up with something creative and practical in the same time.

+Forza Horizon 3

@Septic

they will be nice for those who already got an X1, but as a draw to the platform they will have an impossible job with games on other platforms dominating the hype like Zelda, Horizon, NMS, Uncharted4..etc and 2 big hardware launches for gamers to consider with the NX and PSVR.

2015 was Microsoft's big shot and it's gone

Xbox's 2015 "greatest lineup in Xbox history" consisted of only 2 NEW AAA exclusives.

Everything else was remake/port, timed, Free2Play & small budget/indie (Nothing wrong with these types of games...But I seem to remember a certain community bashing those exact type of games)

@Newmonday

"2015 was Microsoft's big shot and it's gone"

What a load of rubbish. Where did you get this expiration date from? Why should MS commit sepuku in 2016?

"They will be nice for those who already got an X1, but as a draw to the platform they will have an impossible job with games on other platforms dominating the hype like Zelda, Horizon, NMS, Uncharted4."

'Impossible to draw to the platform'? We're talking about great games lineups. What are you on about? Sales? Believe it or not, some people actually play consoles to play videogames and what we're talking about here is a variety of promising looking titles.

Spare me the badly drafted doom and gloom posts please.

according to my tastes and my expectations i don't think it's that hard to top 2015 in terms of releases. tbh i have no idea if an exclusive game came out to X1 this year between January and September.
2016 seems indeed to be the year of the variety on all platforms, and certainly a massive year for gaming.
Zelda Wii U
Uncharted
GT Sports
Horizon
Star Ocean
...

X1 owners will for sure have a blast in 2016, but the question is: Is any of these games a system seller? not sure though.

Great Lineup already. Nobody can argue against it.

Wow what a poor attempt at good PR from one of the most annoying guys at MS.
If 2015 was the best year in Xbox history I'm glad to have spent my money elsewhere but yes, 2016 looks more interesting in terms of variety.

@NewMonday
"they will be nice for those who already got an X1, but as a draw to the platform they will have an impossible job with games on other platforms dominating the hype like Zelda, Horizon, NMS, Uncharted4..etc and 2 big hardware launches for gamers to consider with the NX and PSVR."

this is about how the xbox one looks in 2016, why is it impossible for you to see that instead of always trying to downplay what the xbox one offers? nothing in that article talks about dominating in sales but you can't resist the need to counter any positive article about the xbox one can you?

"2015 was Microsoft's big shot and it's gone"

then why are you here?

The question I keep seeing is "are the games coming out for the X1 in 2016 system sellers". I guess I would reverse the question and ask "what PS4 games outside of UC4 are system sellers?" Because the games you list are games that are in the same class as what the X1 has coming out. Unknown quantities. The difference and only,difference is that if it's coming out on PS4 it's an instant system seller.

Let's use Horizon as an example it's a game we know little about by a studio who makes good but not amazing (which is what I'm guessing you guys think a game has to be to be a system seller) games. Yet here newmonday and others are sitting talking about how it and other unknown games will make it impossible to buy an X1.

On top of that Many of the games listed as X1 killers in 2016 have no release date! Come on guys. Both systems have what may shape up to be the best year in gaming.

P.s. Psvr is not going to sell well. My prediction because who in there right mind wants to cover your face for hours? I could be wrong but that's my opinion.

P.p.s now I'm off to play Tomb Raider because unlike newmonday and his mob I play games not systems or sales

P.p.p.s I don't care about any exclusives because when Mass Effect comes out I don't plan on leaving my house.

Both 2015 and 2016 are great years for Xbox (actually Xbox gamers). But neither are the best in their history in my opinion. That is reserved for 2007 when Halo 3, Forza 2, Lost Oddysey, Eternal Sonata, Mass Effect, and BioShock were exclsuives on the Xbox 360.

@Jack

Couldnt agree more.

2015 is the best 2015 for XBOX One in XBOX One history in 2015 for sales that we don't report because they don't matter except when we do report them when they do matter.

Well, I can certainly entertain that MS bolstered a major complaint about not having anything for the beginning of the year.

Recore, and Quantum Break as big titles are great.. they've got stuff for summer and fall as well so the XBO community has stuff to play all year.

However, the known quanties and the strongest of the entire line up is Quantum Break, we have no idea what Record is, it hasn't even gotten a gameplay trailer and it's pressumably 5 months out from launch spring being March-May.

Sea of Thieves is Rare's return to AAA since Nuts and Bolts, Gears 4 looked underwhelming, Crackdown looks promising but the beta is Summer, and could probably launch in early 2017 to nail the mechanics, Scalebound looks really promising, but the gamescon demo was rough, and last we heard, that game is a 2017 title.

As for Halo Wars, I've got nothing as I don't care for RTS...

I'm not gonna bother listing and comparing, but Just gonna say, What MS has lined up is ok! I'm intrigued in Record, and Quantum Break... Everything else

This year looks to best last year in my opinion, with all these new fresh IP's. Glad MS is doing more than the Halo, Gears, Forza rotation from the 360 gen. This will pay off tremendously for MS, just like this same Business strategy as Sony did with the PS3.

@ThePope

Pretty much all third party games are system sellers for the ps4 simply because they are all better with it, excluding a few poorly optimized ones.

@Septic- Sea Of Thieves, Gears, Cuphead etc and likely the rest of that line up will be released on PC, its hard to say how great an XONE line up is when I can play most of those titles on a PC....

I mean...I don't need to own a XONE to play lots of that line up so I question who much reasons to do I really need to own a XONE if I can on PC. I don't know how "beastly" that is for XONE, I mean...MS is getting bank, but I'm not seeing much incentive to actually buy an XONE vs buy a MS published title.

Also forgot about Halo Wars. I'm sorry but with MS push for PC as well, I'm not too sure how many will jump on XONE next year when many of its key titles are coming to PC or likely yet to be announced to be coming to PC as Phil stated they still have more games coming to PC, who knows what else they will release.

Multiplats play better on PS4 and I don't see that stopping and lots of MS titles are coming to PC...I again don't know how well that makes anyone want to buy a XONE next year any more then this year. Halo didn't move units but Gears will? Even though its lessor to Halo?

OH Forza will, even though it has no history of moving such units?

OH those new titles will even though XB has a history of not selling much units in regards to Japanese titles? I mean...I don't see much that will really help MS next year, its just as bad as this year.

You know what happened to the boy who cried wolf?!

"just like, "Greatness awaits" <-- Do I agree with this? Nope as I'm still waiting for greatness on that platform."

The thing is, you don't even own that platform, so how can you accurately judge its content? Sure you can twitch stream most of the games and get a feel for how they look, but I've personally passed on plenty of games only to go back and actually try them later & absolutely fall in love w/ new titles & genres. You can't pass judgment on a lineup you haven't played. I'm sure there are plenty of games on your XBO that you wouldn't typically enjoy only to actually try them and love them. Same goes for PS4. You can't judge what "greatness" is or isn't there because you haven't actually tried it out. Same goes for me & the XBO...right now the only 2 exclusives that really get me going are SSOD & QB, but when I finally do get one, I'm pretty sure I will try out many others and potentially dig them a lot...I wouldn't discount a system I don't own...perceptions are one thing but reality is another.