Microsoft "Absolutely Will" Improve Xbox One's Resolution Issues: RedLynx

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Godmars2904382d ago

No, it doesn't.

Or rather, it matters as much, or less, as when it was an issue with the PS3 and 360. Which was generally promoted as a deal breaker when it was in the 360's favor.

pyramidshead4382d ago

Very well said, especially on the dealbreaker part.

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Concertoine4382d ago

If it didnt matter then, why does it matter now?

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Boody-Bandit4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

@Godmars

I agree.

On topic:
Karri from RedLynx is claiming that both versions are locked at 60fps and the only difference is resolution. That and you really can't tell the difference between the two version? To that I say bullocks.

I have this Trials Fusion for both the X1 and PS4 (PSN & XBL = BoodyBandit). Right out of the gate I notice the PS4 looked sharper and more defined. But more importantly certain tracks on the X1 stutter / judder. Now it's only a small percentage of tracks that have pretty noticeable issues but I have seen quite a few hiccups on other tracks as well. So he is not being altogether honest or has not thoroughly played his own product and is merely doing PR. Because if the X1 version is locked @60fps why the juddering / stuttering?

This game is about precision timing and those performance issues do effect the game play to an extent. PR interviews like this are a farce to those of us that have played the game. I don't have a dog in this fight and am honest and without bias to a fault. Nor am I a fanboy or troll. I love Trials so much that's why I bought it for both consoles. So to Karri I say, "Be honest or don't speak."

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Eonjay4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

It matters because they are to products competing in the same space. It matters because people keep saying that the Xbox will get better. It matters because a consumer has the right to use whatever criteria they chose to decide what product to purchase.

Take AMD and Nvidia for instance. There are only three real selling points: price, compatibility and specs. Which one is most important? Whatever I say is most important to me.

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Concertoine4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

@Eonjay
I agree. I'm just asking him, as i couldnt tell what his opinion was. Also anyone who bashed the ps3 for games running worse than 360, then changing their minds when their console of choice ran worse. And vice versa.
I was a 360 gamer last gen and probably a ps4 this gen, so to me it obviously matters. Better running multiplats are a huge plus for me, and they were a huge plus last gen. The same can't be said for a lot of flip floppers.

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hamburgerhill4382d ago

I remember things being different such as people claiming the ps3 version always looked better even when it didn't. Then I remember the answer was to make games on ps3 first and then both versions would be equal or the ps3 better. Last but not least I remember hearing developers were lazy years into the console cycle and eventually ps3 would look better.

Now the thing that gets me is why are the same people who made these claims not applying these same rules to x1? We are only 6 months in with no real visual masterpiece to show off which console is superior yet none of the same complaints or rules apply when it comes to x1.

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Godmars2904382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

It was all stupid PR. Where the 360 supposedly had an advantage in regards to multiplatform titles, despite that the PS3 had better looking exclusives, this time around the XB1 is graphically under performing with its own titles whereas the PS4 is doing well with both it exclusives and multis.

It really shouldn't matter, it should just be about whatever preference you have if you're only going to buy one system, but then there's the BS. The articles coming to the XB1's defense. "Fans" buying both then letting one collect dust and saying so with relish. Then there's MS doing whatever they can just so they can say "1080p" and "60fps" regardless if the actual game is worth playing. Talking up "da cloud" even though it may not even begin to be useful - as advertised - 3-5 years down the line.

But yeah, let's all just focus on graphics and system performance as games become more bland.

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GoGoGadge74382d ago

For 8 years this is all the Xbox fanboy camp bitched about in regards to what PS3 lacked.

It matters. Why? Because Microsoft made it matter last gen. They can't just come out inferior and say this gen "meh... it doesn't matter too much."

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GameNameFame4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

By the time MS improves resolution(if it is even possible), PS4 will improve its lighting, texture, AA and etc.

There are massive hardware power gap. The difference will show whether it shows in resolution, lighting or etc.

Funny thing about this vs last gen is that, last gen, differences were so small. Now we have massive difference compared to last gen and xbox fanboys claim it doesnt matter.

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Hercules1894382d ago

What do you mean the Xbox one is underperforming, Sunset Overdrive is going to look like a Pixar movie when it comes out, Quantum Break will look like cgi also. And these titles aren't even using the whole Dx12. Just wait till we see the inengine Halo 5 trailer this e3 that will represent what the whole Dx12 will provide.

Its not as simple as whos winning and whos losing. As long as both consoles are capable of looking like the infiltrator demo, both sides should be happy.

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AngelicIceDiamond4382d ago

@Mars Here's some MW2 comparisons.

MW2 http://www.lensoftruth.com/...

BF4 PS4 and X1.

http://www.lensoftruth.com/...

I couldn't find the analysis for the BF4 PS4 and X1 comparison. But we know PS4 looks and runs better when compared to X1. But according to these shots the differences are smaller in the BF comparison than the ones seen in the MW2 back then.

The differences are more noticeable last gen then next gen.

PS4 is still better but by a whole lot.

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Godmars2904382d ago

@Hercules189:
My exact point is that if Sunset comes in at anything other than 1080p and 60fps, regardless of anything else about the game, that's going to be a major issue. That Halo 5 and any other major XB1 title has to be a graphical showcase rather than being something entertaining or fun.

No, its not as simple as who's winning or losing. But since by all accounts, from on paper to demos, since MS's efforts lean towards the "losing end" their fanboys are saying such factors don't matter while at the same time propping up and making excuses for instances when they come up.

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ramiuk14382d ago

exactly,when ps3 was struggling last genm,its all we heard and then it was xbox in front by about 30p

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scott1824382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

The differences were MUCH smaller last gen for multiplats. But it was made into a big deal.

I personally do not even care that much, I am currently playing chrono trigger and graphics/resolution are the furthest thing from my mind.

I just think it's funny that people are calling foul now on the exact thing that was so important last gen apparently.

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ALLWRONG4382d ago

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thereapersson4382d ago

Lol @ Xbox guys who now deflect resolution and frame rate disparity from a superior competitor. Looks like some nervous laughter from you, ALL WRONG.

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GearsOfWar4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

I think a lot of Xbox fans, including myself, were tired of the constant "Omfg Cell" and "PS3 is superior" cries from Sony fanboys. When multiplatform games did not perform as good as 360 versions, it was easy to want to point out to them that no, it was not superior in every way.

With that being said, where are the Xbox One owners claiming Xbox One is superior? The closest I've seen to that is them expressing their preference to Xbox Live over PSN or their preference in exclusives so far.

No one is going around saying OMFG Cloud, except Playstation owners.

And that, I think, is why this whole resolution issue is pointless. It's just the same mentality from Playstation fanboys that they have to feel the need to be superior. It's immature at best.

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Pogmathoin4382d ago

Honestly, being on both consoles, I buy multiplats based on how it is with controller..... It can look beautiful, but if it does not feel seamless on controller, it means nothing..... And that goes both way..... Some games just seem to suit either controller better....

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scott1824382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

@GearsOfWar

Cloud will make x1 4X more powerful, DX12 will make X1 2X more powerful, once devs learn the ESRAM the X1 will be more powerful, the hidden GPU will give X1 the advantage, new dev tools will give X1 the advantage, the X1's architecture is that of a super computer...

No, no outrageous claims about superior performance and power from Xbox fans ever.

But yes, resolution is pointless now and we should conveniently forget it this gen...

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mikeslemonade4382d ago

how much is gonna take to tell you guys its not about the resolution but its the fact theres a peformance gap in favor of the ps4 which also cheaper. Theres more power to spread in textures, lighting, particles etc.

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TheFrag4382d ago

Part of the reason we have such rapid fanboy debates about resolution and frame rate is from the way 360 supporters talked down Sony fans for have slightly interior ports. Now that the shoes on the other foot it's not OK? And it's not a slightly inferior port this time is it? No, expect things to get much worse xbox fans and when they do remember karma is a bitch.

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Death4382d ago

The PS3 was supposed to crush the 360 with it's super computer Cell processor and Blu-ray drive. The BS 360 owners had to hear before the PS3 even launched was unbelievable. When the system finally hit shelves and the initial batch of games were inferior to the 360, a lot of people that ran their mouths looked pretty silly. If we all knew they were holding their nerd rage for close to a decade waiting for the smallest chance to unleash it, we would have approached the entire thing with a little more care to prevent PPSD from culminating the way it did. Instead we are all stuck with another decade of Playstation fans waving the superiority flag in front of us while we try to play games.

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Future_20154382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

lol all this resolution talk is annoying me on the N4G main page, just buy yourself a GTX 750TI for £120 and it will do any game at 1080p and you can change the graphic settings on pc to suite to what framerate you want but the 750ti can do high/ultra settings on most games and its vastly more powerful than the ps4 gpu which is rumoured to be some modified 7870 which is already a 2 year old architectural GPU and it is underclocked compared to the original desktop version.

Before you hit disagree please look up the 750ti and then reply, @deathofthefanboy emmm both consoles GPUs are inferior and are exclusive to those respective consoles so what are you on about?

DeathOfTheFanBoy4382d ago

It wont do Forza 5 or second son at 1080 though...

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AsimLeonheart4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

Can it do Metal Gear, Infamous, Forza, Ryse, Sunset Overdrive, Order 1886, Final Fantasy, Uncharted and The Last of Us in 1080p?? Guess not, so keep PCs out of the discussion. Power is meaningless without desireable games to play. Furthermore, the GPU maybe 120 pounds but what about the rest of the PC? A good mobo, a decent CPU, 8 GB RAM, 1 TB HDD, 700W power supply, a GPU cooling system if you live in hot climate, Genuine Windows OS, minimum 21" LED Display, disc drive, gaming mouse, gaming keyboard and decent sound system. Oh and finally that electricity bill for all that powerful and power-hungry hardware at the end of the month. How much all of that will cost? The last time I built a decent PC with(core i5, 1TB HDD, 4 GB RAM) even without a GPU, it cost me $600. Sorry, but I am happy with my $400/$500 console and my good old HDTV.

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Magicite4382d ago

everyone has pc or laptop, by far not everybody got a console.

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Future_20154382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

@AsimLeanheart all those games you just mentioned run at 720p and are specificity made for those consoles, I am talking about games that are on consoles and pcs not exclusives, plus for a 750ti you only need a 450W powersupply, I dont know why your mentioning monitors or tvs as a price included because i dont see a tv or monitor included in the price of a console and you can play pc games on a tv and the sound system is the same as the monitor/tv argument.

You can get 12gb memory, motherboard, windows os, keyboard/mouse, CPU with the 750ti for around 500 pounds which blows the water out of the xbox or playstation. Plus you dont need a discdrive anymore on pc because all games are digitaly download via steam or origin or cheap keys online compared to the crazy prices of consoles which are 60 bucks even for remakes that are just over a year old

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MysticStrummer4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

I'll hit disagree for the simple reason that yours is simply another "PC rules comment" when the article is about consoles.

These discussion aren't happening because more power = better games. They're happening because the cheaper console is performing better than the more expensive one. Same as last gen, when 360 multi plats usually got the better of the PS3 version.

It's great that you have a SuperXK Red27 graphics card that can do 10k resolution and 4k fps, but no one here really cares.

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Imalwaysright4382d ago

If you guys really cared about resolution you would follow Future's advice instead of hitting the disagree button. This resolution talk is nothing but ammo to fuel your idiotic and childish fanboys war and you know it.

"Oh but 360 fanboys did it last gen". And now is your turn. You're all the same.

@ Mystic

bullshit. We all know why the X1 is more expensive. Its because unlike the PS4 it comes with an expensive camera. Kinect 1.0 last gen cost € 150 and there is no reason to believe that Kinect 2.0 being more advanced isn't in the same price range or even more expensive. The only people that fall for that weak argument are 5 year olds and of course, N4g idiotic fanboys.

Also no more power doesn't equal better games. That is an outright lie. Do yourself a favor and ask FF fans if FF13 is better than FF6, FF7, FF9 or even FF10. You would be surprised.

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brainfart4382d ago

I agree with your comment for the most part, but a 750ti cant be a modified version of 7870 because one is made by nivida(750ti) and the other by amd (7870)

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BallsEye4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

no not really. Great AA in 900p will look much better than 1080p without AA. Funny how most of n4g community believes 1080p is some kind of magical aspect of computer graphics that makes everything next-gen and beautiful.

Go play minecraft in 1080p and tell me it looks better than 900p beautifuly AA'd Ryse. Or better, launch a 720p Movie let's say even Scarface and tell me it looks less realistic than any videogame you ever played. Some people just don't have common sense...

redcar1214382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

Well said but this is n4g 1080p master race psml

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rdgneoz34382d ago

"Great AA in 900p will look much better than 1080p without AA"

So 2 games that have the same AA and frame rate but different resolutions, will look the same?

Also, Minecraft was not made to be a graphics masterpiece...

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pyramidshead4382d ago

Not a magical aspect of computer graphics now, but at at least a standard set for this generation of console gaming. Last gen was 720p. Might as well keep up with the industry standard of TVs nowadays.

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Jazz41084382d ago

I have said over and over in my 8 years on here that most of the guys on here are pushing gaming backwards with the stupid petty bs. Its nothing more than schoolyard talk. Mine is bigger than yours and so on. I guess growing up is out of the question as most of these comments would have you believe these fans were on the board and had millions invested the way they defend a company In life this will get you no where but where you are now and if that makes you happy then troll on.

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christocolus4382d ago

So many devs have said this in the past few weeks.. glad MS is working really hard to make it easier for them to get the most out the box, however my attention is on E3. Cant wait to see what MS is bringing to the show.

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dantesparda4382d ago

"glad MS is working really hard to make it easier for them to get the most out the box"

Why should that even matter when every MS fanboy is telling me that resolution and graphics (except for when its Ryse or Forza) dont matter. So why worry about MS making games (and res) look better? You people are a walking contradiction.

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killzone6194382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

i find it funny how PS fans cry about 720p but dont cry about 30fps (which was a last gen standard)

ive never once had a problem playing a game at 720p native on PC. But i've always had a problem with games being 30fps because it usually led to choppy framerates when action gets hectic.

i would rather have 720p/60fps instead of 1080/30fps to ensure a smooth playthrough. Choppy framerates are just unacceptable

BitbyDeath4382d ago

When PS3 and 360 came out most people only had SD TV's. During that gen they upgraded to 1080p. This is why they want 1080p games now. As the hardware now supports it.

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Sh0ckWav34382d ago

I totally agree... to me its the controller and the IP..and I like MS IP better...don't get me wrong I like some of Sony IP..

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dantesparda4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

@killzone

So then i take it your fanboy behind has a serious issue with games like Ryse, DR3, and TR (doesnt run at 60fps on X1) that do or struggle to do 30fps. And how about TF which fluctuates like crazy between 30-60fps and is more like a 45fps game with a whole lotta tearing? You act like every game on the X1 is 60fps when they're not. So try again and come back with a issue which isnt even more true for the X1. PS4 has both higher res and better framerates too.

X1 cant even get this game right
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

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TheSaint4382d ago

All talk and no action so far, when will you PROVE it MS?

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hankmoody4382d ago

Raise your hand if you're sick of the resolution argument. If this is what people are leaning on in their reasoning that the PS4 is the better system, that's just sad. If the difference between the two were readily visible, then I'd get it but the difference as it stands is negligible. And more and more people are stepping up saying MS is taking care of it so maybe we'll be able to focus on actual games instead of meaningless specs.

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WeAreLegion4382d ago

I really am. It makes me angry that every time a new game is announced, developers have to defend it.

candy_mafia4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

@WeAreLegion >LOL "Well Said"

The whole 'Resolution Debate' is played out like an old Banjo ;/

MS/Developers will (in time) improve X1's Resolution. Just like PS3's Cell techniques & split memory management improved (universally) 6 or 7 years ago.

It takes approx 18 months - 2 years to filter down to development studios due to the (variable) nature of game development schedules. Intricacies take time to iron out.

We're only 6 months in. Patience people ;)

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Don't just Disagree, share your thoughts ....at least challenge me?

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cfc784382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

or hide it away like Watch Dogs.

@WeAreLegion

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rdgneoz34382d ago

"MS/Developers will (in time) improve X1's Resolution. Just like PS3's Cell techniques & split memory management improved (universally) 6 or 7 years ago."

The cell was difficult to develop with, while the xbone and esram are not new concepts. Hell, MS called esram an evolution of the 360's edram (which is over 8 years old)...

"This controversy is rather surprising to me, especially when you view as ESRAM as the evolution of eDRAM from the Xbox 360."

http://gearnuke.com/microso...

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ThanatosDMC4382d ago

Agreed. I want more info about Project Beast, Evolved, and Watchdogs.

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user14394144382d ago

Do not make the Sony fans angry this is N4G.

GodGinrai4382d ago

yeah but...I want to play pixels...screw the actual game. HIgh res textures are were the gameplay is at.

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hankmoody4382d ago

They can down vote me into oblivion, I don't care at this point. I'm just waiting for E3 for the smoke to clear and then we can start talking about actual titles coming to each system and who's got more to offer.

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ExPresident4382d ago

Nice trolling. Go somewhere else.

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MysticStrummer4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

This site used to be very MS friendly and very Sony unfriendly, so exactly what is your point?

Edit @below - Which is exactly what used to happen to Sony fans. The tide turned last gen. Maybe it will again this gen, but either way "Do not make the Sony fans angry this is N4G" is a worthless comment. I honestly don't remember this same amount of whining from Sony fans back then though.

And yes, you do see MS fans doing the same thing, but there are definitely more PS fans here now, unlike at the beginning of last gen.

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user14394144382d ago

My point is @MysticStrummer that if anyone posts anything positive towards the Xbox console it gets tons of dislikes by the Sony fans for no reason at all. You do not see Microsoft fans doing this towards the PS4 posts. #DoWhatThouWilt

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DanielGearSolid4382d ago

Why shouldnt ppl want better specs from more powerful consoles they paid $400-$500 for?

Specs are part of a game, how are we NOT focusing on Games?

If the difference is negligible, why are so many devs saying MS is working to fix the 1080p issue? Generally, you don't fix NON-issues

Why is it sad that a person would think Ps4 is better if games look and run better on it?

I get you yourself are tired of the resolution debate. But that doesn't make it meaningless...

hankmoody4382d ago

Here's my issue. There's a certain number within the Sony/PS community that want the PS4 to trounce the XB1 so bad that they're grasping at straws to justify any claims supporting this. Even if I avoid articles that specifically talk about resolution disparities, it's almost a guarantee that it will be brought up regardless by some genius with an axe to grind. It's just crazy to me that this is still even an issue, especially with the whole Killzone: SF debacle and DriveClub coming in at an incredibly unacceptable 1080p/30fps (hope you got your sarcasm detector on). I know I should know better than to play into these arguments but to tell you the truth, I type out these answers just to vent my frustration at the lack of logic regarding this subject.

Besides, the only reason that the PS4 wasn't more expensive and closer to the cost of the XB1 was because they wisely left out their inferior camera out of the package at launch. The PS4 really needs to show more games, that way resolution isn't the main argument for claiming the system blows away the XB1.

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retro_4382d ago

>> If the difference is negligible, why are so many devs saying MS is working to fix the 1080p issue? Generally, you don't fix NON-issues

Exactly. but MS would never actually admit the PS4 has the power advantage. It is so much better for them to say they are going to constantly improve the XB1. This way many people will think it'll improve beyond the PS4 when in reality they are just trying to catch up to PS4 ignoring the fact that PS4 must also improve thus moving the goal posts always out of reach.

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Why o why4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

Sorry hank but some of the 360 x1 community brought this on themselves. It's unfortunate that the fans who didn't care about minor differences last gen are embroiled in the retaliation crossfire due to the greater differences this gen.

Despite that I don't have a problem with hypocrites being called out and exposed as viewing it is entertaining. You know, the ones who now scream resolution doesn't matter yet clamour to every secret sauce or gap closing rhetoric. You check their history and you have to wonder where this new found morality came from because it wasn't evident in the numerous digital foundry or lens of truth face offs of yesteryear. They should take their medicine and cut the flip flopping.

In regards to price, well it's nobody's fault ms released an inferior console from a hardware perspective but their own. Some, all now, still contest this fact. Even if the camera wasn't mandatory I'd doubt it would of made too much of a difference. I say that because the x1 is pretty much the same price as the ps4 already. There are other factors at play obviously. .

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pyramidshead4382d ago

@hank
I'm sorry but some of what you said was nonsense. I cannot believe you are reserving that way of thinking just on the minds of the PS community when all are guilty of said straw grasping. Why do you think anything PS gets put under a microscope now that it has already been proven to be the more powerful machine? It's Xbox fanboys grasping at straws too. This faux-superiority people unsubtlely like to imply on anyone who's not a psfanboy is nonsense.

There are MS/Xbox community members who would also like the the PS4 to fail as well, hell even further, Sony to finally become bankrupt and buried. If you don't see similar quotes then you don't visit the right places, hell Xbox community even goes down the racism route sometimes which is pathetic.

-Digression...sarcasm or not, the only issue you brought up there was Killzone's MP, which was definitely disappointing, not sure why DC was mentioned.
-The cameras have different goals, weaknesses and strengths, not to mention Sony's console wasn't built solely around the camera for voice controls but more vitally for VR instead. Therefore unbundling it was probably a wise decision as the console it self functioned without the need to say anything to get anywhere around the OS
-Context is everything.
-There are also currently more playable titles on PS4 than there are Xbone, it's up to your own tastes to figure out how much relates to your gaming needs.

You also must be a narcissist if you insist you are sick of these discussions by entering an article about it and consequently venting your frustration via the comment section, thus becoming a part of the discussion. Vent onto a word document next time.

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pyramidshead4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

Suck it up and get used to it is all I can say. Maybe stop visiting certain articles that include it the discussion.

It may not even come down to whether someone wants to buy the console based on that specific reason, it's talked about because it exists. Disparity between PS360 was talked about all the way up until last gen ended, and these were minor in comparison to this gen's disparity. Not sure why this gen should be any different just because the shoe is on the other foot.

shivvy244382d ago

yep completely sick of it

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Eonjay4382d ago

Actually, if you think for one second that the PS4's success is based on resolution, I encourage you to review this current year's sales of last gen consoles. Also, if the Xbox One plans to be competitive against the PS4, it needs to do so on all fronts. This means delivering the best value in terms of content and fidelity as the competition.

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MysticStrummer4382d ago

There were Lens of Truth articles all last gen that chronicled much smaller differences, and MS fans couldn't get enough of those because 360 was usually the winner. Now suddenly these bigger differences don't matter. Purely by coincidence I'm sure, sales and market share don't matter anymore either. This generation is just getting started, so expect these articles to continue until there actually is parity, which there probably never will be. There will most likely always be at least small differences.

parentsbasement4382d ago

(Raises hand , has both systems)

christocolus4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

@hankmoody

Im raising my hands but i doubt you can see me. So ill just click agree instead.i dont see why devs have to keep defending their games, insomniac with their great looking sunset overdrive almost got dragged into it too. There is no doubt MS will fix the issues holding back devs but honestly i cant be bothered about that.. e3 is just 4weeks away..im so excited. After the show i can bet we will have a lot more to talk about.

Edit: be careful dude, we dont want you to get downvoted/loose bubbles cos we definitly need more guys like you up here.

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MysticStrummer4382d ago

Looking forward to E3, or any other industry show, is the right attitude. Last gen PS3 got the short end of the stick with multi plats many times, but those small differences didn't matter to PS fans because they had great looking exclusives to look forward to. XB1 fans should follow that same pattern, especially if these larger multi plat differences truly don't matter to them. Both MS and Sony will have a lot to show at E3. I expect a great show from both.

Complaining about comparison articles isn't going to make them stop, as PS fans found out last gen. It's early days in this gen, and these articles are likely to go on for quite a while.

I do think it's funny that some of the same people who loved this type of article when it was about PS3 coming up short are now crying foul, but that's just human nature at work.

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hankmoody4382d ago

Much appreciated. Thanks for the words of caution.

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kenshiro1004382d ago

No Teh. MS fans are just as guilty for doing the same thing they accuse Sony fans of doing. Say anything positive about Sony, some fanboy brings up their financials.

Stop playing the victim.

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B1uBurneR4382d ago

Once this is done what would separate the two consoles other than price. oh never mind I know what it is. The option to buy the camera. Which supposedly is worth less than the kinect but also does less than the kinect. But doesn't change the fact the PS4 on is still more powerful. so when the resolution is fixed, it'll be Power vs a Complete Balance of hardware and software all in one? I'm in for improvements overall. Game On..

Snowblind154382d ago

Can someone sum up this article please. I'm on mobile and it won't load for me.

GodGinrai4382d ago

Long and short...It should be easier to achieve 1080P in future titles on X1.

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Snowblind154382d ago

Thank you

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Kakashi Hatake4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

1080p will be harder for both platforms to consistently pull off this gen, unless graphics become stagnant all for the sake of resolution. Regardless, Specs don't lie. PS4 will always be ahead. It's GPU and ram is a league above X1s. I don't understand why this is so hard to accept this gen.

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Volkama4382d ago

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In conversation with GamingBolt, Kiviluoma explains that it will be hard to notice the 900p resolution for Trials Fusion on the Xbox One compared to the PS4 version’s 1080p resolution. “The Xbox One and PS4 launch versions are very close to each other in visual quality, both games running at a locked 60 frames per second. It’s hardly something anyone will notice as the game in action looks amazing on whatever your platform of choice is. It’s more about having fun at 60fps than small differences between systems.”

Kiviluoma also said that the Xbox One’s resolution issue will “absolutely” and not only for their game. “They [Microsoft] absolutely will, and not just for our game. Microsoft will continue to improve performance and we will continue to optimize our game for it and the other platforms.”
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Snowblind154382d ago

Thanks

Saleem1014382d ago

Trials fusion is 800p on xbox one if you bought game in the store...

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incendy354382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

1. Developer says framerate is most important.
2. Says you can't tell the different between 900p and 1080p in their game.
3. Says resolution will go up on X1 over time.

Same old same old haha. So tired of talking about pixel count.

cfc784382d ago

Trials Fusion is 1 thing but we need better resolution across the board on xb1 it's gen 8 not gen 7.5 like were getting at the moment things will get better im sure it's just a waiting game.

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patrik234382d ago

why would they improve. ATM there is only 5 xbox one games with 720p resolution.

killer instinct 720p
dead rising 3 720p
cod 720p
battlefield 720p
MGS V 720p

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DVS-Zev4382d ago

And a bunch of 900p.

XiSasukeUchiha4382d ago

Ok, I will believe you so these arguments can stop!

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Einhert4382d ago

Well that is what happens when you skimp on the GPU for a motion sensor gimmick.

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mmj4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

Xbone: 16 ROPS
PS4: 32 ROPS

"The term fillrate usually refers to the number of pixels a video card can render and write to video memory in a second. In this case, fillrates are given in megapixels per second or in gigapixels per second (in the case of newer cards), and they are obtained by multiplying the number of raster operations (ROPs) by the clock frequency of the graphics processor unit (GPU) of a video card."

XBO: 16 ROPS x 850MHz GPU clock = 13,600 Megapixels per second
PS4: 32 ROPS x 800MHz GPU clock = 25,600 Megapixels per second

That sort of deficit in the physical hardware won't be resolved through software.

XStation4382d ago

Their CPU has 8 cores and not all 8 are unlocked.

bellome4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

Ok MS, give me your console now and i absolutely will pay for it later when you fix its issues.

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imt5584382d ago

Probably another N4G news for over 1000 degrees! :)

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rmw2hot874382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

Hopefully the xbox one resolution issues are resolved by the time that new GeOW come out. would love to see the new gears run in native 1080p

Kakashi Hatake4382d ago

It's not going to be 1080p unless the visuals is in the same league as launch titles. X1 games are 720p due to hardware limitations , not software. I don't understand why so many are having a hard time with this.

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Saleem1014382d ago

Yea resolution matters to me I didn't buy next gen system for sub HD graphics... The games look and run better on ps4 all my multiplats will be bought on ps4... I waisted money buying xbox one the games look shitty and speed of the system is slow...

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The_devils_chum4382d ago

After all it was supposed to be dubbed the xbox 720, just own that microsoft. You keep running from the truth 720p was the plan all along. Sony done took you off your game and your true vision of the xbox 720 will never surface. Now your going to spend the entire lifetime of the console trying to make it something its not.Just admit you thought 720p was the next console generation and sony had higher expectations.Dont give that oh it was sneaked in !! These films go through a ton of editing.

MasterCornholio4382d ago

OMG

I watched the movie and I never noticed that which is why I didn't believe you. So I went and watch the trailer and I saw Xbox 720.

Wow

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XStation4382d ago

Xbox 720 was the name people was calling it because, 360 + 360 = 720. Now you can leave, you Sony pet.

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aragon4382d ago

Seeing is believing, I do think it will improve but it's all about fun now especially a game like trials I don't look at visuals for that

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CEOSteveBallmer4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

I thought MS and the devs says Games matter. rather than graphics. If that's so, please do explain why they are Trying so hard to catch up with PS4's hardware performance? did PS2 did that? no, Did PS3 did that? no. Its just seem to me that MS and some of its employees can't "Accept" that for the first time, they had the inferior console. specs-wise. Not that PS3 is inferior. PS3 has the slightly better CPU but xbox 360 has the slightly better GPU. One word "Insecurity"

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Deadpool1014382d ago

They are "Trying so hard to catch up with PS4's hardware performance" because it must get tiring for games developers to be inundated with messages about the resolution. If they get it sorted maybe people will actually comment on a game itself for once. Just look at Sunset Overdrive. It looks gorgeous and a fun to play to but all anyone seems to talk about is "is it 1080p? It wont be 1080p, Its not 1080p". How depressing is that for a game delveloper. They show a brand new IP rather (than another cookie cutter sequel) and all their creativity is ignored for yet another resolution arguement.
Bottom line is if you really arent happy with the resolution of XboxOne games then cheer yourself up and sell your xboxone. If you dont have an xboxone they why do you even care what res a game is, as you arent going to play it?

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BlackTar1874382d ago

Well i didn't see Devs caring this much about differences last gen enough to have to explain themselves on everything.

I also didn't see many Xbox fans last gen vent their disgust for graphic differences. In fact im pretty sure they had like 12 comparison websites started and maintained based on those differences.

Xbox fans are getting a piece of the pie they helped cook and now it tastes bad?

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Deadpool1014382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

To be honest BlackTar187 I dont remember anybody discussing resolution as much as they are this gen. I especially dont remember people being so vocal to the developers.
As for xbox owners getting a "piece of the pie", I would guess most of those xbox players (who were bothered enough about resolutions to talk trash last gen) have bought a ps4 this gen (as it does the higher resolutions that they care so much about). It's probably the same morons from last gen stirring it up again but now they've changed sides. The other people just need to make sure they dont caught up in all the pointless vitriol and become one of those same idiots they used to despise.

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candy_mafia4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

@Deadpool101

I think most people (regardless of the console they own), anticipated 1080p & 60fps gaming to be the norm this gen. It's called 'plausible expectation' when new technology is introduced.

It's simply denial to say it doesn't matter. I didn't pay over $600 for a Day 1 Xbox One only to discover my much less expensive other (PS4) console outperforms it! ...Please, save the $110 Kinect argument, I didn't even want that thing to begin with, it was a forced purchase to the loyal fans IMO.

Let's keep it real, resolution (especially) matters when the same game looks better running on PS4 & even better on PC. Most gamers have Full HD TV's, and rightly want to see that potential.

If MS doesn't come up with a tangible solution soon, I'm afraid it'll get worse as games become more visually demanding. If the launch games are mostly struggling on X1, what hope is there? ;/

Deadpool1014382d ago

@BlackTar187

I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree here.

I think most people honestly dont care about the resolution. The vocal minority do and thats fair enough but I'd say on average most next gen gamers would look at the graphics of Ryse or Sunset Overdrive (sub 1080p) and be happy that those games look next gen. Same with Infamous and Driveclub being locked at 30fps rather than 60fps. Most PS4 owners wont care as they still look gorgeous.

Regarding the price of the X1, you're right. I can see why some would be annoyed that the more expensive machine is struggling where the cheaper PS4 isnt. However the price is reflective of the inclusion of Kinect. Whether you like it or not the Kinect is a pricey bit if tech and it comes bundled with the system.

I think unhappy X1 owners would be best served trading in their X1's and getting a PS4 until next year when, hopefully, developers are able to squeeze more out tge system and give them the 1080p/60fps that they crave. There's no point in keeping a system that you think is disappointing you.

BlackTar1874381d ago

@ Deadpool

I think you meant @candy Mafia

I don't play resolution gate. I just find it funny how the line in the sand is constantly moved.

Sure maybe a majority doesn't care about resolution but that doesn't diminish it's importance and overall value to games. Of course good games are good no matter the graphics but as a consumer we can ask for both. It's our right this thought that they can't co-exist and it's a one or the other is ignorant.

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Nine_Thousaaandd4382d ago

Yeah, resolution does matter a lot to most people with nice HD screens. Both Sony and Microsoft had different visions for their new consoles. The issue here, is that Sony put more resources toward gaming, while Microsoft was focused more on Kinect and TV functions from the start. Now Microsoft is paying for it!

Trial Fusion looks great, but not heavy on graphics. A game like this (900p vs 1080p) shouldn't really matter. But take Ryse and inFAMOUS and compare resolutions at 900p vs 1080p...it becomes a bigger issue. These games are very intense on graphics, resolution matters again, not with Indie games and small projects like Trial Fusion!

Bottom line is, Microsoft is playing all their cards up front to play catch up to Sony...CPU boost, clouds, and now DX12...the Xbox won't have much growth left at the rate their going. A stronger GPU and unified GDDR5 ram...and the PS4 is already outpacing the Xbox in performance. Both systems will receive a performance boost in the software department, but not enough for Microsoft to close the gap in performance...games will continue to have issues like this with huge AAA projects from both sides.

choujij4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

They just need an update that will overclock that sucker to hell. This way they will:

A) Narrow this gen's performance gap and
B) Ship/sell millions of more consoles by bringing back incredibly high failure rates.

=P

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ebreda4382d ago

If there's a way to improve it, good. If not, it doesn't matter at all. Just ship great games and no one will care about the minuscule graphical differences between those systems.

So far, I've been playing Xbox One much more than PS4. Resogun only gets you so far, Knack is horrid and Second Son is just meh. on the other hand, I've been playing Forza, Crimson Dragon and Dead Rising for a looong time on the One, along with some multiplat like Fifa and Tomb Raider because of the better controller.

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jkendrick4382d ago

@eBreda

Crimson dragon on rails and you say infamous is meh? I call bullshit and yes you're a troll.

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johny54382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

Admittedly as much a good looking game as Ryse is, Infamous Second Son looks just as good "if not better at certain things" all the while rendering at a higher resolution while hitting an average frame rate over 30fps and can be locked for a consistent 30FPS!

Ryse "while beautiful" doesn't have that luxury...

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AutoCad4382d ago

Dont play resolution,play games.

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lfc_4eva4382d ago

Your wise statement I fear will fall on many deaf ears on n4g.

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Deadpool1014382d ago

I love that you've actually got disagrees.
Erm if you're one of the people playing resolutions and not games I suggest you sell your console as you're obviously not sure what it's for.

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Aussiebeachbabe4382d ago

Deadpool absolutely agree. I stated same thing on an earlier article. If these guys are so fixated on graphics and resolutions sell their console now and buy a pc. Personally I bought a great gaming pc but still prefer consoles.

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Deadpool1014382d ago

I have still yet to get a next gen console, im waiting to see what happens at E3. Rest assured that my choice will be based on the upcoming games library not pixels per inch :)

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DoesUs4382d ago

It only doesn't matter to XB1 diehards, in the same way it mattered in every DF face off last gen. Take a look at comments from 2006/2007. It mattered.

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bumnut4382d ago

Does the PS4 version have screen tearing like the Xbox One version?

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MAULxx4382d ago

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lfc_4eva4382d ago

I expect both systems to improve as the cycle progresses. Its the way of the industry. Every little helps.

BlackTar1874382d ago

Both systems will for sure improve. They always have they always will.

That said once the devs find the 12 extra GPUs in the xbox one then it's game over for everyone.

Joking aside i love pretty games but i still am playing Dark SOuls 2 on ps3 for the last 2 months with no care for the newer systems outside of TitanFall with my friends. I'll probably be playing South park next until something comes out that i want to play on either system. Maybe Deep Down? I just want Project Beast, or Fallout, Or obilvion on Kingdom Hearts 3.

lfc_4eva4382d ago

I think I'll get both consoles eventually, but there isn't enough to make me want to buy them just yet. I'm more than happy building up my steam collection on my pc. Got loads of AAA and indie titles. There's quite a rich indie scene on pc which I'm getting really into.

ninjahunter4382d ago

Eh, in a console environment, such as on a couch, its virtually impossible to tell the difference between 1600x900 and 1080p, especially if theres even a hint of AA. But at a desk on a monitor, its much easier to tell, since its overall a crisper and more up close and personal experience.

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GeraltofRivia4382d ago

I guess you can just throw in a new video card. O wait.........

http://abload.de/img/spenci...

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russo1214382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

I don't understand the logic behind having two different resolutions - why not make the same resolution for xbone and ps4? - as the studio states "...that the difference in resolution between the PS4 and Xbox One versions of Trials Fusion is hard to notice...".
Why the trouble?

Bathyj4382d ago

What are you saying?

Drag down the PS4 rez to match the Xbone, or pump up the Xbone rez and then have framerate issues? Glad youre not in charge.

If they could have done 1080p@60fps for both they would have.

Kakashi Hatake4382d ago

The logic is that one console has more power under the hood. Therefore, it makes more sense to take advantage of it. Would it make sense to keep PS2 and Dreamcast multiplats at the same level in 2000?Despite the difference in power?

Predaking774382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

I personally like to have the best of both worlds so PS4 is the one for me. Why settle for gameplay only when I can have both gameplay and graphics?

On last gen when this problem was favoring the 360, many 360 owners said it was a deal-breaker and it was important to have the best system who delivered best visuals and gameplay.

But know that the situation is not favoring the x1 we see how many people has changed their argument in order to justify their situation and now they say resolution or visuals does not matter.

What changed? Why it mattered last gen and now all of the sudden it doesn't matter? The answer is simple: it doesn't matter because it doesn't favor their console of choice.

corvusmd4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

Oh no....someone is gonna get lynched posting an article like this.

In other news RedLynx was burnt to the ground by arsonists.

Side note: I see that there are some of you that every time this topic comes up, feels they need to troll/damage control and post the same numbers we've seen a million times about PS4 vs XB1 (this article has really nothing to do with PS4..yeah it says PS4 in it, but it's really just about MS improving compared to itself). We've all seen the numbers, we get it, but if anything that just shows ignorance. PS4 is not and will never perform at that level consistantly (neither will XB1), but the numbers actually mean very little in the final product. The systems work differently, it's very much an apples and oranges kind of comparison. If used correctly the XB1 architecture will negate many of those numbers that keep getting thrown around so carelessly. Yes PS4 will always be the more powerful hardware of the two, no one is arguing that. However, if the end result becomes the same...who really cares how they got there? Those numbers really won't mean anything except a potential to create more heat to do the same thing. Maybe just sit back and let it play out and see what happens instead of relying on numbers...in past gens that has always seemed to come back and bite people in the ass.

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jnemesh4382d ago

The end result will NEVER be the same! How do you magically give your console of choice 33% more GPU power with a SOFTWARE upgrade? You DONT! Will developers get games running at 1080p/60fps? Sure...by dumbing down the graphics, just like you do when you have a sub-par graphics card in your computer!

GamersHeaven4382d ago

PS4>Xbone in hardware differences you can tell your self the "numbers" don't mean anything if that makes you feel better about your purchase good for you please don't write wall of lies to conveniently make your self feel better about your console of choice.It's simple PS4 does not have to improve in order to compete with the Xbox One it has the advantage over it in almost every single area both will improve over time that just the natural progression of game development/Hardware clearly you don't understand that.

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jnemesh4382d ago

The only people who think resolution and frame rate are unimportant are Xbox fanbois (tm) that want to justify their poor decision in purchasing an Xbox One! Everyone else, including PC gamers, KNOW that both matter! The general public seems to think it matters as well, judging by overall sales of the Xbox vs. the PS4!

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bLueCrow4382d ago

Don't forget the PS3 fanboys of the olden days!

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jnemesh4382d ago

I had both consoles last generation...and most games looked ALMOST identical between the two...this gen, it's different. We have 2 consoles with almost the EXACT SAME configuration, but Microsoft's version has DDR3 RAM vs. GDDR5 (Xbox has ESRAM to TRY to make up for it, it doesn't)...and we have a more powerful GPU, with more shaders, on the PS4 than the Xbox 1. It's not a slight advantage, its a 33% difference in GPU power this time!

horndog4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

Right "the general public cares about resolution". Who the fk are you kidding? They went for the cheaper 100 dollar difference.

bLueCrow4382d ago

When it does, I'll get one :D

stragomccloud4382d ago

Once developers actually take advantage of the eSRAM, I think we'll see a lot less parity. Not that there is even so much parity to begin with.

larrysdirtydrawss4382d ago

than why arent they already,il tell ya,the size is too small to do anything significant with.....and the system itsely provides little horse-power because of the added kinect to drive price up instead of adding a real mans gpu

stragomccloud4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

Because it takes extra effort and attention. It's the same reason why PS3 suffered through so many god awful ports until 2009. By that time developers were taking advantage of the Cell's SPUs and finally making the PS3 sing.

By the way, eSRAM and eDRAM don't have to be very big to do alot. 32MB of either is a huge amount and really opens up the bandwidth of the CPU assuming developers actually use it.

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larrysdirtydrawss4382d ago

Hercules189 + 1h ago
What do you mean the Xbox one is underperforming, Sunset Overdrive is going to look like a Pixar movie when it comes out, Quantum Break will look like cgi also. And these titles aren't even using the whole Dx12. Just wait till we see the inengine Halo 5 trailer this e3 that will represent what the whole Dx12 will provide.

Its not as simple as whos winning and whos losing. As long as both consoles are capable of looking like the infiltrator demo, both sides should be happy.
#1.1.10

sunset overdrive isnt exactly wowing anyone on a tech side of things,especially as the graphics powerhouse king just released in second son.,dx12 isnt adding anything to the gpu, the texture units,alu's,cu's,still a very weak gpgpu, still a tiny amount of esram(ps2 amount 32mb) are all staying the same...

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spoonard4382d ago

Xbone: 3 million, PS4: 7 million.

PS4 has sold more than TWICE the number of Xbones. That is the Xbox underperforming.

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turkish414382d ago

lmao why this gamingbolt post same articles "xbox one become more powerfull" or "wait until power of the cloud"

iNathan4382d ago

Go Play Ryse and tell me what is the best looking console game ever...

yes Ryse makes Sony Exclusives and Mirosoft Games look like s*** lol

the game is not that good though

kingPoS4382d ago

Grand Theft Auto IV

Xbox 360 720p
PlayStation 3 640p

The fanboys would not... stop!!! On and on they went, better shading, resolution ect.

Call of Duty Ghosts

Xbox One 720p
PlayStation 1080p

Hmmm... There seems to be denial going on here. Many Xbox champions have become quiet. While others have manufactured reasons, claiming that the visual quality is much the same.

It's only been seven months of course, some things are bound to change given time and experience with each platform.

Gateway MT6706 2008

stragomccloud4381d ago

The point is. people need to shut up and play games. Console wars are absolutely stupid. Become a PC gamer and you'll see how ridiculous it all is.

kingPoS4381d ago (Edited 4381d ago )

I tried PC gaming before, and it was fun. But first, I had to I had to set it straight with my antivirus. [not fun] Seeing as I'm not K/M gamer by habit, [not my thing] I had to find and buy a compatible joypad. That wasn't too bad, but then I found my self scurrying to kill performance sucking processes. [really not fun]

The game in question - Portal 2

Game Consoles are simple/er... and fun.

Gateway MT6706 2008
..../\/\.... This!
My comp is old school, deal with it!

Julion07154382d ago

Why cant we jus wait until e3 is over all 3 system will lay everything out on the table then you guys can debate honestly I dnt care about res as long as the game looks good and fun why do all this extra stuff matters we play them for fun but I see more arguing than playing its jus a game at the end of the day

gigoran4382d ago

Wait wait wait... Hold up! For months and months I've seen articles about the poor resolution of the xbone games when compared to the high performances of ps4 games and 90% of the comments from xbone owners say "resolution means nothing."

But now it's important?

I don't get it. Ms and xbone owners were saying that their exclusive games and the gameplay o the games themselves were more important than something silly like "resolution". It's just very strange that all of a sudden they changed their minds.

Not trolling. Honestly xbone owners, which one is it? Do you still believe that resolution means nothing, or is it really important?

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Belasco4382d ago

For me it would be a nice to see a resolution bump, but it's not something that bothers me that much. It doesn't always have to be one thing or the other.

supercpu4382d ago

its going to hit 1080p this is fact .....

http://i.imgur.com/vEpY6OD....

this gif made me laugh hahahaha .

SITH4382d ago

Anyone who says resolution and frame rate does not matter is fooling themselves. And I only play xbox one, and PC. I want 1080p+, and high frame rate games. I am 100% confident the resolution issues will be resolved for xbox one. And issue they indeed are.

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Funky Town_TX4382d ago

This is one of the main reason I got a PS4 first this gen. I want the games that run the best. Most of the games will be multiplats so this is a big plus for the PS. This is far from a current gen game so it's sad that this game does not look better than what it does.

spoonard4382d ago

Laughable. The hardware cannot be made to do things beyond it's power capabilities. Think of it like a race car and it's driver. No matter the driver, the car cannot exceed it's mechanical limits. The driver may know some tricks to make the car go places it wouldn't normally go to get to the end destination a bit quicker, but that's all. Sorry folks, but it IS that cut & dry unfortunately.

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Belasco4382d ago

No, it is not "cut and dry", and using a lame car analogy doesn't prove it. Dev tools can make a huge difference, I don't know why people don't seem to comprehend that you can have less hardware do more through software.

5eriously4382d ago

Quote: "It’s more about having fun at 60fps than small differences between systems.”

Strange I never got the same impression during the previous gen or let me rather say I was not allowed my own opinionx as the eXBox fanbois would just not let it go. "The Lens of Truth" was their defacto bible of prove regularly quoted and adhered to, it's so strange how things changed now that the roles of the consoles changed, I never see reference to "The Lens of Truth" by a certain faction anymore. (wink)

oWOLFo4382d ago (Edited 4382d ago )

@Deadpool 101 "Just look at Sunset Overdrive. It looks gorgeous and a fun to play to but all anyone seems to talk about is "is it 1080p? It wont be 1080p, Its not 1080p". How depressing is that for a game delveloper. They show a brand new IP rather (than another cookie cutter sequel) and all their creativity is ignored for yet another resolution arguement."

You have just summed this up completely, years back people didnt really give two shark shits about resolution, the people that did moved onto PC. It was all about the game and what it had to offer, now this whole next gen is a disgrace and personally its disgusting. People have forgotten how to be gamers and more worried about the technical side. People tell me, do you get more satisfaction from playing a game has shite gameplay, but you would rather play it cause it is 1080p 60fps? If that's the case then you should question why you actually play games.

Also I call bullshit when it comes to this whole resolution, frame rate debate.
How many of you went out and bought GTA 5, even though reviews said the gameplay was choppy and its not "1080P". The game runs under 20 frames at times :O.