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Price Drop or Drop Kinect? Which is Better for Xbox One? Maybe Both?

Microsoft needs to make some changes to the Xbox One or they will face a situation that could end with them being in a race that will take years to catch up. Not even a year into the latest generation of consoles, and they are already over 2 million consoles behind the PS4.

NYC_Gamer4405d ago

Xbox one needs a price drop to 399 with the Kinect

XiSasukeUchiha4405d ago

@NYC

Dude, unbundled it put as option and make it $350.00 bro!

RAWSTA4405d ago

That would beat out PS4 like nothing.

darthv724405d ago

Nah...keep the kinect and just lower the price. I like the $350 to $399 approach.

vitullo314405d ago

@rawsta... then you can go on living happily ever after.. YAY

PsylentKiller4405d ago

How would you record anything without kinect?

Kinect is is a big part of the User experience. Drop the price but keep Kinect. It's helps separate itself from the PS4.

truefan14405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

I always get a kick out of how the people that complain about Kinect have never used it and are don;t own an XB1.

I would say 97% of XB1 owners would not prefer the XB1 without Kinect, it's just part of the system. There are just so many uses for it.

Also why are people on this site so narrow minded, this gen just started. Kinect is being opened up to indie devs now and they will probably create some great games, and D4 looks pretty good, and KSR was really good.

Another point is that VR/AR is coming in the near future and ps4 fans will have to buy move/camera and VR, while XB1 only have to buy the VR/AR. We have no idea what else is in the works, for them to include it and up the price it definitely has a purpose.

I say all that to say stop acting like a cult, you guys need to learn to think for yourselves and actually try it before knocking it.

Docknoss4405d ago

Wrong keep Kinect but drop the price. Kinect is actually worth it anyway.

lelo4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

I agree. They should have a X1 sku without Kinect. Kinect is just a waste of money, gets old pretty fast.

Until now there is absolutely nothing that proves that Kinect is indispensable for the X1.

MetaReapre4405d ago

Lol at truefan, think for yourselves comment when so blinded himself being a fanboy.

Myself I think there should be an unbundled option and a lower priced bundled option. Hell if they make just the bundled to 399 that it will definitely catch up to the ps4 in sales if not exceed it.

dcbronco4404d ago

They will be in a position for a price drop in a few months anyway. Just wait a while and the price will drop with Kinect.

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AngelicIceDiamond4405d ago

@NYC I'm kind of surprised you said that actually.

OC_MurphysLaw4405d ago

@NYC fully agree. Drop the price and keep Kinect in. MS will have to eat some cost but I think that is the right call.

choujij4405d ago

I think there's a good chance that even at the $399 price-point with Kinect, it'll still see sluggish sales.

iamnsuperman4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

I agree but I don't know Microsoft wants to loose that much money on each system. I think it has to be an either or situation considering Microsoft spent half its budget on the Kinect (and the sensors are apparently really expensive)

Gazondaily4405d ago

Yeah a price drop is obviously better. If they could competitively price it so that you were essentially getting the Kinect for free, then that's a win. MS can swallow the hit. Beggars cant be choosers at this point and I'd seriously consider this if I worked at MS when taking into account the fact that the competition has a more powerful, cheaper console selling at far greater volumes that has been released in all territories and is winning at the MS' home turf.

This is an ultra competitive industry. MS made some colossal missteps so it should make greater strides in ensuring that it remains relevant.

Swallow the hit with the Kinect and MS has a chance of taking the fight to Sony instead of desperately trying to play catch up.

Retroman4405d ago

can't believe im saying this: much as i hate any MS product i rather MS stay in the gaming business ONLY to keep Sony legit, Sony alone head might blow up again.
so, competition is good.

said by Sony fanboy

gosh, did i say that?? let me splash some play beyond juice on my face.

Geoff9004405d ago

I believe there will be a new SKU around September, with a new sleeker Kinect/Xbox design.

tgunzz4405d ago

Go ahead and announce a $399.00 price adjust at E3 with kinect included, and get after it. They are already lining everything up according to gamer feedback. The price is the last module needed in order for the battle of the consoles material to shift to the front.

UltraNova4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

Yes definitely. Kinect is so integrated into the xbox1 it looks impossible to unbundle it, especially now that 4-5 million consoles are out there.

‘Unfortunately’ MS is in the business to make money and not lose any. Which means keeping the kinect and shaving off 150 to 349 (399 won’t cut it against the ps4's momentum don’t kid yourselves) i.e. selling at a 100 bucks loss is something I cant see MS doing, not yet at least.

Even then Sony could afford to drop 50-80 bucks and keep things as there are now, more or less.

Its a steep hill MS has to climb this time around.

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AngelicIceDiamond4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

Price drop with Kinect. I'm sure MS has some unique features coming to it and maybe some interesting optional Kinect controls in future games so keep it.

Realistically its WAY to early to ride off Kinect. The console's been out for 6 months its not fair to ditch Kinect that early in the game.

I said before that I don't I'm not a hardcore Kinect fan but I'll give it a chance to see what it can do at least.

GoGoGadge74405d ago

I'm still waiting for those "unique features" they promised 4 years ago. Its a device nobody wants.

If Microsoft drops the price, expect Sony to drop 50$ lower regardless of taking a hit or not. Sony has made it clear that this is their rodeo this time around.

My xbox one gets no love. My ps4... night and day.

OC_MurphysLaw4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

"Its a device nobody wants".. no it's a device you apparently don't want.

Edit: "If Microsoft drops the price, expect Sony to drop 50$ lower regardless of taking a hit or not. Sony has made it clear that this is their rodeo this time around." ... this just makes me laugh. This is how I see that notion playing out at Sony:

Andrew House: We need to drop the price of the PS4.
Kaz: We really need the revenue we are making from the success of the PS4. Why do you want to drop price?
Andrew House: Because MS just dropped their price.
Kaz: Did that impact our sales?
Adrew House: Not really sure yet but seems like we are still selling really well even when they price dropped before with their limited time offers.
Kaz: So we are good then?
Andrew House: But MS dropped price
Kaz: Just shut up.

ats19924405d ago

You're delusional if you think sony would drop the price of the ps4 just because micosoft drops the price of the xbox one. Sony can't afford to take that hit.

AngelicIceDiamond4405d ago

@@Go Sorry I can't take your comment seriously.

"I'm still waiting for those "unique features" they promised 4 years ago. Its a device nobody wants."

Nice generalization and trying to speak for everyone. How would you know who wants it or not?

"If Microsoft drops the price, expect Sony to drop 50$ lower regardless of taking a hit or not."

Huh? Sony doesn't need to drop the price they doing extremely well where they're at. And no Sony will absolutely not risk taking a hit by cutting the price on the PS4 Sony couldn't afford to.

"My xbox one gets no love. My ps4... night and day."

You mean you have no Xbox to get give love to in the first place.

Fixed.

RAWSTA4405d ago

I want it! so your dead wrong! I use my kinect to log me in and as my remote control for tv.

headblackman4405d ago

let me have your xbox one then. i'll give it all of the play time that you don't have the time to give it. :-)

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Geoff9004405d ago

Also MS has invested a lot of money in Kinect, not a good thing to just drop it after bundling it with the bone.

rainslacker4405d ago

I think we can all admit that there are many people that have absolutely no interest in Kinect. Saying nobody wants it is an extreme generalization, and completely untrue.

Because of this, I think the best thing MS can do is what Sony did. Make it an optional purchase. Find an app that makes the camera a must have. Then sell the system at a competitive price against Sony's PS4, and get extra revenue by selling the camera separately.

If MS can drop the price to be the same as PS4 with the camera, then great. But I think they would generate more revenue by having it an optional purchase. It will also give developers a better idea of just how many people are using the Kinect, so they aren't wasting time adding in features which go mostly unused.

In the end, it really comes down to just how badly MS wants people to have Kinect. I know there was a lot of hyperbole flung around before launch about why MS wanted it there, but MS really needs to consider if the Kinect is going to be financially viable in achieving whatever goal they have intended for it. In other words, what's more important to MS...selling the console, or making sure people have Kinect?

MysticStrummer4405d ago

Both would be best, but MS will try dropping the price and keeping Kinect first. They aren't big on losing money, so I don't know how soon that will happen or how low they'll go. I'd be shocked if they did it at E3, but they definitely could, depending on how worried they are with how things are going.

Blues Cowboy4405d ago

I used to staunchly defend keeping Kinect in the bundle - I love its voice commands/face recognition and detaching it from the console will effectively kill the peripheral stone dead. As it stands, developers know that there's a big install base and can create cool stuff for it...

... except, erm, where is that stuff? Rivals was mediocre, the Ubi fighting game was godawful and otherwise its gaming applications are gimmicky if not downright silly.

Give it a year, but if MS and third parties don't give us a good reason to use Kinect, I'd like to see a much cheaper, smaller and more basic sensor released in a cheaper bundle that's basically just a microphone with simple face recognition .

Megaplaynate4405d ago

I agree with you, the face and voice recognition are great but we need software to justify the extra $100.
If they do not release games that use the kinect in a unique way, then I don't see any need for it. But, the potential is there.

Ashby_JC4405d ago

I use my xbox one daily and use the Kinect and like it for voice recog and signing in.

Cant see using my X1 at this point without it.

BUT.......where are the games that are using it ...and using it in a meaningful way.

I was surprised they didnt at least release the X1 with a simple tech demo that showed off some simple mini games etc. Just something to show what its capable of.

At this time I think there is like 2 golf games and both DONT use kinect!!!

I dont want them to unbundle it. But at this point I feel MS has failed in the games use dept. They had Kinect 1.0 to build off of going into Kinect 2.0.

Its almost like they have no idea what to do with it.

Here is hoping that indies will use it. If they dont....then I would say the gaming use of it is a FAIL!!

I still like it, but for games...I havent seen anything that makes it better to use then my controller.

Clown_Syndr0me4405d ago

Do we really need another article like this, with the same comments we've read 100 times on other similar articles?
Aren't there any games to talk about?

Blues Cowboy4405d ago

It's the pre-E3 lull, so... no? Daresay there'll be a few leaks though.

Clown_Syndr0me4405d ago

I hope it changes a little bit round here after E3. Too much doom and gloom right now, not enough excitement!

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Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

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they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

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Outside_ofthe_Box36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300036d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7236d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit35d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania36d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit35d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0735d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr36d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box36d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr35d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit35d ago (Edited 35d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9536d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7236d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit35d ago (Edited 35d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--35d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box35d ago (Edited 35d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7235d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket35d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm35d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde35d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9235d ago (Edited 35d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_36d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted36d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit35d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9235d ago (Edited 35d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT36d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers36d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14935d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0735d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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