The same people getting hyped about every little thing MS mentions are the same Xbox fans that were going to allow Microsoft to implement the DRM policy and the same ones that let MS walk all over them during the RROD fiasco. Please everyone disregard their opinions. True gamers know the truth. Anything implemented software wise can be done for both consoles. Only thing that can't change is the hardware, which the PS4 wins easily.

Don't care much about power but I care a lot about games, good fluid multiplat and exclusives. I'll tell you when the division comes out, who's who. I have both machines right now and so far I like the box ( I can feel the hate brewing) but so far it's my opinion . Have you played them both ?

I sometimes wonder if anyone actually believes this shit, other than the usual trolls obviously, because it's obviously complete BS.

Yup with the power of the cloud, secret sauce, dx12, Unicorn Tears, and Tinkerbell's fairy dust it will become twice as powerful as a GTX Titan Black too.

Another blind fanboy statement.
When developers such as the one he listed say things like that it Means something!
These companies know what the hell they are talking about...
Just as all system gamer you sound like a biased troll...

up to 25% performance in some games is the most I'll give "some" games.

whats wrong with these people ,its fact ps4s gpu is much stronger than x1s. it doesnt matter what "magical firmware update" they do wont change that fact.

From a Dev look him up on Twitter also. Brad Wardell

http://www.neowin.net/news/...

It's impossible to double the strength of the Xbox One and make it superior to the PS4.
Hardware can't be changed, and since both uses the same type of CPU and GPU, the PS4 can optimize as well.
Hopefully the consoles can become better overtime.

You can only have blind faith with Sony products. No matter what is not shown.

If you look at RD site and the rest of the vidoes on his channel you'll see he's a big Xbox fanboy. I really don't know what's happening to N4G lately but it seems like they're allowing just about anything to be posted here including personal blogs posts and amateur created vids like this.

https://www.youtube.com/use...

Click your ruby covered heels together Dorthy and repeat after me, "there is no place like home, there is no place like home, there is no place like home.?"

I mean seriously, this again?

On topic:
Some ask when is all the resolution gate going to stop and than yet those same people are here believing this nonsense. 2x more performance? SERIOUSLY!?

The bottom line. No matter what improvements can be made through dev tool kits, cloud, driver or software updates or familiarity with devs over time with said hardware. You can't make hardware less capable on the same level as hardware that is more capable with software. Especially when you have to realize the more capable hardware will not be hiding in a corner sitting still. It to will have updates and refinements that will improve it's overall performance as well.

I really wish these secret sauce articles would be fewer and further between and the continual we have learned from our mistakes and are now more focused on games. Seriously just stop.

Show us. Don't talk about it.
All I care about is the games.
E3 is right around the corner. All will be known then.

All i see in this thread is a bunch of ps4 fans trying to discredit this news. Are you guys that insecure... If it makes you feel better ps4 will stay the most powerful but with dx12 xbox one could close the gap and that is a win for all gamers. Please leave your insecurities at the door, PS4 will be fine.

What if it does improve performance and still lags behind the PS4 as physics and mathematics assures us will be the case. What then, DirectX 13? Let this go. Its a lost cause... if you buy an Xbox One do so because its the package you want, not because of hidden secret sauce.

@u got owned

"Closing the gap"

And 'doubling' the performance

Is not the same though.

Was all demo at Microsoft Build,check it out on Channel 9 website...

I bet Xkeletons' fav genre is fantasy.

but ..but... the dragon is white

@kreate

Even doubling the performance that would put the xbox on par (which I doubt) of the ps4, not in front . In any case good for gamers. Like i said all i see here is a bunch of insecure people trying to discredit something they dont even understand how it works. I will wait and see maybe they are telling the truth and im willing to give the benefit of the doubt.

First of all, PS4 has 8 cores too and have identical CPU as Xbox One.

Distributing work across all 8 cores is same as Xbox One and PS4, meaning PS4 will do this soon or later too.

Hardware architecture is same. If X1 gets software optimization, PS4 gets it too.

THey both have SAME CPU and GPU. PS4 literally just have more of it.

Seeing a lot of people here talking about how any software changes made to the xbox one can be made to the ps4, which will still be on top because you can't change hardware... Unfortunately for you, you're wrong because of the reason you think you're right... Ps4 is a raw power machine with its more advanced ram, however the hardware of the xbox one is different, the esram is split into 8 cores, Microsoft did this because they knew that they were going to put dx12 in it and are convinced that tiled resources are the future of gaming. Essentially, Xbox One was built for dx 12 (for goodness sake, the X in xbox comes from DirectX), thinking that the ps4 will be able to benefit from dx12 as much as the xbox one will is wishful thinking.
Someone said that Xbox would still be behind due to inferior physics and computation, but if Microsoft can pull off Cloud Compute anywhere near to the ability that it's advertising, then PS4 will be the one to fall behind in that department...The demonstration from build shows that it's in the works...
I'm not really sure why people are so interested in putting these down... people should be hopefull for Microsoft... The closer the two are in performance the better games and gaming will be in general, and the competition will make both companies strive to due even better. Microsoft knows its getting it's butt handed to it right now, and that's why they're trying so hard to do better.

Should be called "Amd, nvidia and Intel say dx12 will increase performance on pc , xbone fans now wrongly believe 2 times more performance on xbone"

So now the xbone will be what ? 20 times more powerful ? The cloud making it 10 times more powerful then dx12 doubling it lmao , you guys and your false hope.

Don't even bother making pcs anymore companies you would need 8 titans in sli and a 48 core Cpu to keep up with the xbone <-----if you think that statements silly and unbelievable then you would also realise the article is stupid too.

@Balcrist

You really have no clue what you are talking about. From the words of Bill Gates himself:

"Software can always be optimized, hardware is permanent."

You cannot out optimize the hardware, the PS4 will always be able to be more powerful. It is physically impossible to say otherwise. But if you care so much about hardware, get a PC.

http://www.videogamer.com/n...

@GameNameFame

If I am not mistaken the PS4 already does that, meaning they already have the software optimization. What DX12 does is it brings close to the metal development which is already present in OpenGL and has been for years. In reality, MS was behind the curveball with this announcement. Now that both have similar optimization you are going to see improvements with the XBO games. The only problem is that everyone leaves out the GPU and RAM used in these equations. People forget that they play a huge role in these developmental infrastructure.

When all of these theories about the bone being more powerful than the PS4 flunk, will fans stop believing in MS. Cause you know it's being like this since E3.
There was the Cloud, the balance, the stacked CPU or GPU and now DX12...
Until today every theory has been revoked and proven false. Yet, people still believe in MS.
Isn't time for the MS'fans to start believing after seeing real and day to day proofs of what MS says? Cause this is getting really tiring.

Plus, how the hell did so of the comments here got an "Well said" bubble when they have so many disagrees?

they using all of Edward Bernay's tactics.

If that's what they predict for X1, just imagine PC performance with DX12... With that said, I'll believe it when I see it.

I think it will improve def but 2X is a bit much imo

This is classic PR 101. Find your weak point and tell everyone it is going to be your strong point.

MS knows they are behind the 8 ball badly with Xone and need to lie to keep it in the game. The sad part is that all the sheep believe the BS time and time again.

Its strange that this articles get approved,the moderation sucks!Even Microsoft said during GDC that from dx12 for the Xboxone they are expecting a 20% increase in efficiency!And its obvious for any gamer that the same can be expected for the PS4 with update tools on the PS4 library.

^ Shhh, no need for logic as you might break the state of n4g. Remember, the article is for hits to rile all the PS4 fans up, and it does so spectacularly.

Isn't that just like the Cell processor?

I know, it's hilarious isn't it? First there's all this talk about the cloud, then the hidden components(secret sauce), and now it's dx12. All smoke and mirrors to entice developers and gamers. It's quite funny, ms starts spouting unconfirmed or nonsense about power, and now suddenly, graphics and power matter to the Xbox fanboys. It's priceless.

@Dubaman

No, completely no. Two separate resources.The Cell itself is hardware, where the potential still has not been reached but at the same time very difficult to tap it. This (DX12) is in regards to software improving hardware, which is possible but within the limit of the hardware. The PS4 already has this technology with the use of OpenGL and MS is just reaching this style of programming with DX12.

@Saigon
Im aware of the differences between hardware and resources used on those hardware's. I didn't mean it to be so literal it, it was a reply to "Lol yea ok. All this talk and no demonstration"
Which is akin to the Cell Processor. It was praised as a powerhouse and capable of doing so much more. Yet most multi plats were inferior on PS3 when compared to the X360 versions.
Basically, some people are quick to dismiss this news as there's no proof or "demonstration". Yet the Cell had a good few years before people admitted it was a bust, i.e. not as great as stated.

@u got owned

"Like i said all i see here is a bunch of insecure people trying to discredit something they dont even understand how it works"

while i'll give u the benefit of the doubt and say there are some insecure ppl trying to discredit something they dont understand.

u urself also seems like a insecure person trying to give credit to something u dont even understand urself though.

Soooo...is thereddragon the new hiphopgamer?

@kreate

insecure me? nah... Im not the one taking trash and where in my post did i gave credit to anything.

If its true that DX12 can increase the performance of the bone great if not well I also own a PS4 so no big deal.

Most of the guys here talking trash will probably never own a Xbox, yet they go into every Xbox news to bash it, that to me shows a lot of insecurity, hopefully you are not one of them ;)

So we will see Double 720P games :P

@whatiswrongwithyou13,
You're bonkers if you think hardware can't be optimized. Sure it's set once its in the console, but the optimization comes before that when choosing what parts to put in. PS4 was optimized for high power at a low monetary cost to make it competitive, where as Xbox one was optimized to make the best use of dx12. No one is saying that dx12 will make the hardware better or any different, but the structure of the xbox one is better suited to dx12, its called synergy.

@Dubaman

Wrong again, sorry dude. But the problem with your statement, which has some truth to it, is that that issues between the PS3 and 360 were early on due to the difficulty of the Cell. As we moved forward that gab decrease. The best example is to look at GTA5. Pretty much identical on both platforms. In time things improve and I see why you are making this statement regarding the XBO. The problem is that they are not equal in comparison. The main reason why your comment truly holds no value is because both systems (XBO and PS4) used the same hardware; the only difference is that one is a little more stronger than the other and one specifically uses DX11 (soon to be DX12) and the other uses OpenGL. From the technical standpoint it is impossible to make low end hardware more capable than high end hardware regardless the software used for development. As I stated before, OpenGL already does what DX12 is trying to do. So really there are no advantages at the moment for DX12.

@allsystemgamer

http://xboxonedaily.com/201...

theres a game dev that actually works with the tech saying the results are spectacular

This claim is so fucking unbelievable unrealistic retarded. Microsoft is so fucking dumb that they can easily double the performance with a simple system update, why would it not have already been integrated before launch?

Hahaha also they comment a 25% boost, I thought this would "Double" performance, on only "some" games. If this is a system upgrade why would only some games and not all games...

The original API would have had to have been the most inefficient API on the planet for this to be true.

@u got owned

What's ur psn and Xbox live id?
I'll add u. Or u can add me.

This is to see if u or me are "one" of them.

Typically when you see such a performance gain in software it means the first version was complete crap, and I doubt that dx11 on the xb1 is complete crap.

"it effectively gives every Xbox One owner a new GPU that is twice as fast as the old one."

I cannot believe people would actually think this was true.

Every week there is this new thing that will make Xbox One this enormous powerhouse, with absolutely no evidence of it happening, and the claims get more and more farfetched.

It's so damn easy to throw rhetoric like this around when it wouldn't be called out for 18 months.

File this under the ones were Penello and Major Nelson said there would be no real difference between PS4 and Xbox One performance.

Let's not make assumptions, Dewitt. It has a tendency of making people look like fools. Badlypackedkeebab explained the skepticism quite well.

I completely understand what you are saying but since it operates at a shared load it takes strain off of the APU as a whole because it is technically a SoC, which means if you lower the load that CPU handle it parities the idle time with GPU which would not require a graphical downgrade. This was explained in the conference which is why the skepticism was so low. DX12 was built for lower level APUs but scalable, it was also built for ARM compatible devices so they took into account the added strain on GPU by using tile rendering down to the faster RAM of the XB1.

I literally have no idea what all that technical information that you speak of means but I just wanted to say thank you for adding intelligence to this otherwise obvious grab at attention from lovers and haters of X1. I own a PS4, but if any of what they are saying is true when it comes to this whole "cloud" and "DX12" stuff, I say, bravo to MS for figuring out a way to make your fans happier. After all, that's all I want from Sony too...for them to attempt to make me as a fan and a gamer happier today than I was yesterday. If MS can actually make true on what they're claiming, that would be pretty cool for all gamers as it would most likely spurn Sony to respond in some way, making for a better gaming experience for all. If it turns out to not be true, well, then MS may have to adopt the old saying "actions speak louder than words" and shut up for a while.

Dewitt, your second response sounds like textbook PR drivel. All conjecture and zero substance. Id ask if you work for MS but from such a juvenile response i think it's clear you don't.

Let me put it this way then to anyone that believes the doubling power comment, if it is THAT significant, and it is THAT important, why on earth are they not rushing it onto the machine as fast as possible instead of taking 18 months to do it?

It's just absolute madness. I am quite sure that DirectX 12 will be an improvement over the current API on the machine, but it'll never be anything like as dramatic as that. To suggest the machine will suddenly be so much faster overnight would also suggest that DirectX 11.2 that already runs on it is incredibly poor, and basically not worth anyone's time. That those 'world class coders' totally messed up with DX11.2 so badly and that the next iteration will be so much better.

That when asked about Mantle, AMD said it isn't necessary for the consoles because the existing APIs are already low level and pretty good.

I always say, that the API of these consoles and the tools evolve, they always evolve. But where do you ever remember a console suddenly becoming twice as powerful overnight? When have you ever seen anything other than continual, but gradual improvement so games looked a bit better every year incrementally.

That is actually what is going to happen. Don't give the time of day to this sort of wild claims.

@Dewitt

Are you implying that the Xbox One games are currently only using one core?

I understand what this means for PC but I doubt that Xbox One is really that unoptomized.

If so you are correct that framerates should be increased. Remember when Microsoft said that Direct X had been 100% optimized? It just never ends.

I took a look at Matio Kart 8 this week and it looks really good without sauce. Its all about optimizing what you have.

@Dewitt, you are talking out of your butt.

Sorry but anyone questioning my knowledge on dx12 please go watch the conference, just because it is good news for MS doesn't mean it is not true or PR drivel. Currently all APUs use very low optimization because a real option for multi treading has never existed due to the difference in idle time. If your idle isn't equal then the GPU or CPU is waiting for the other to catch up. When this happens you lose frame and that's when you get skips or framedrop. With DX12 they can keep the load low while keeping the idle very minimal.

@BadlyPackedKeebab

"You cannot double the fps with the same graphical bang just with CPU performance."

You may want to reword this because you can do just this.

http://static.techspot.com/...

This has nothing to do with an APU. All it really means is, that even though some of the games are CPU bound they starve the GPU simply because the API cannot push enough data to the GPU (draw calls, mainly) because up till now, DX ran through a single pipe. DX12 tries to address this and (transparently?) feeds the GPU using multiple cores. Wow, finally! We might as well see an advantage for Indie games because it is in the API (OS/Driver) not the application level.

But what makes you think the "other" console can't do that (already)? That is and was a limitation of DirectX. The "other" one doesn't run DirectX to begin with, Sony's graphics libraries have lower overhead all together. Multi threading was never an issue there - even though the low level API isn't as big as DirectX. Also, it won't compensate for the GPU deficits this One machine already has. 50% lower GPU throughput remains.

@player002

Those companies didnt confirm anything about the xbone being 2 times as powerful, all they did was talk about PC, people like you and frigid are the ones that believe crap like misterx thats why you always end up looking silly in the end.

What would they say?

"uh, we've built our console for tech that is still not in use yet, so out of the gate you are going to see games performing better on our competitors console. But don't worry it'll be twice as good in the future, we just have to rush to market now so Sony doesn't get too big of a jump on us in initial install base"