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Does Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes take it too far?

Patrick Kulikowski writes, "Leading up to the last week’s release of Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes, both Konami and series creator Hideo Kojima stressed that it would ruffle a few feathers with its grittier style of storytelling.

After playing through Ground Zeroes, it dawned on me that he really wasn’t kidding."

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ArchangelMike4457d ago

Nope! Are you new to gaming? Do you know how many games have much more gorier grittier content.

Trevor. GTA V.

...nuff said.

MrSwankSinatra4457d ago

Obviously you didn't play the game and/or didn't listen to all of Chicos tapes. Skull Face is one sick bastard, if Kojima wanted me to hate Skull Face he succeeded.

xBigxBossx4457d ago

Most games miss the way to present a good villian. After listening to some of those cassette tapes the content blew my mind. He really makes you hate that sick bastard. It literally makes you feel uncomfortable listening to it. But that's how I should be. That's what villains do.

ArchangelMike4457d ago

I do have the game and play it practically everyday. But don't act as if Ground Zeroes is the first game to have gritty gory content. Manhunt for example had all kinds of sick stuff, in it. SO did Silent Hill etc.

But the thing is, please allow gaming to grow up and mature. We're not kids anymore... we'll most of us aren't anyway.

Derekvinyard134457d ago

Just read the article, great read but the author has to realize something. Controversy is not common with the metal gear series, your never gonna see something in the news cause of metal gear. Games that are synonymous with controversy such as GTA, Manhunt (most games by rockstar) are brought to people's attention by the news. Which makes us question if what we are doing is wrong. If it's not in the news people don't care, which is why you don't see other articles like this about ground zeros being so gritty.

Good read

TheOneWhoIsTornApart4457d ago (Edited 4457d ago )

Actually we may just find that Metal Gear Solid V will be in the news. It will have child soldiers that are front in center in the game instead of just talked about and suggested in past MGS games. It will also have rape, torture , genocide, racism and other atrocities so I think you are incorrect.

kayoss4457d ago

@archangelmike
You're right. I've seen worst things in a video game before and one prime example you mention is man hunt. Man hunt was a graphical where as in Mgs it was audio description. I don't know, to me seeing the graphical gore is worst then hearing it.

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MrGunny944457d ago (Edited 4457d ago )

I never understood what's the Issue with Ground Zeroes? It's about time we break the barriers of torture, raping and etc.. in Gaming

It exists in real life, deal with it.

Censoring this or not exploring this in story telling is the worst that you can do.

UPDATE: Personally liked how we're supposed to hate Skull Face, he's not a Villain just because "MONEY AND CONTROL THE WORLD" he's just a sick bastard... and more on that later in Phantom Pain.

_FantasmA_4457d ago

LOL. I'm still waiting for Cannibal Holocaust The Game and A Serbian Game.

ThichQuangDuck4457d ago

It is interesting because villains of past MGS games committed atrocities, war crimes, genocide etc. When it is simply for power and money no one cares. Skull Face seems to be a great villain. Making me wish I had a PS3 still or a PS4 so I could play Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain. PC life. The controversy is not really warranted. I think it just comes from the surprise that the villains in games are advancing.

Omar914457d ago

you can play it on 360 ya know

Bimkoblerutso4457d ago

No one said anything about censoring anything, but if the goal is to ham-fist some heavy issues into the game simply to be taken seriously as an adult medium, then he's tackling those themes with the wrong mindset.

Torture and sexual abuse are just very, very tricky subjects to cover in ANY medium. Though it disturbed me in a good way to begin with, I thought Kojima pushed it to the point of near parody by the conclusion, which is a very common problem amongst artists that attempt to cover these topics.

ThichQuangDuck4457d ago

It is a prologue for the full game.Introduction for what is to come. It tackled the idea of Guantanamo Bay lightly. There is more to come. Judge Kojima at conclusion of MGS V not just for what the prologue does

Aleithian4457d ago

Holy crap, glad I just skimmed the comments. I really need to listen to those Chico tapes.

il-JumperMT4457d ago

Does the author even know that Skullface forced Chico to rape Paz?

NukaColaClassic4457d ago

Did you actually read the article?

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The Metal Gear series has sold over 59.8 million copies

300,000 Metal Gear games were sold during the first quarter of 2023, Konami has announced, bringing the total number to 59.8 million.

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FallenAngel19841117d ago

Still waiting on Konami to put the MGS Collection back on digital stores

Nyxus1117d ago

I know right? And rerelease the games for current gen systems while they're at it.

just_looken1116d ago

Do not worry they will give use those pichincko remakes for top dollar soon.

Metal gear solid 3 in the fox engine looked/ran amazing but was sealed away :(

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Sarcasm1116d ago

I know re-makes and stuff have been played to death this generation.

But damn I wouldn't mind an MGS4 remake

gold_drake1116d ago

i played it quite recently and it holds up very well

CantThinkOfAUsername1116d ago

It does, but a remake will be available on platforms other than PS3.

itsmebryan1116d ago

I thought the series would have sold more over all these years and different releases.

Ready4nxtgen1116d ago

Yeah I would have thought over 150 Mil. Something.missing here

Nyxus1116d ago

Metal Gear isn't that big, and there hasn't been a new release in years. Also MGS2 and 3 are still missing from digital storefronts.

shinoff21831116d ago

5 mgs games in total if I'm not mistaken. 59 60 million seems about right. Mgs is dope to some of us but it would be hard for a lot of regulars to understand

ChasterMies1116d ago

I would love to buy MGS4 but it’s still a PS3 exclusive.

JEECE1116d ago

Although there are notable exceptions (GTA, certain first-party Nintendo games, Gran Turismo), as a rule games didn't sell as much in earlier generations as they have in the past few generations. So a lot of PS1-PS2 era titles that are viewed as seminal games didn't actually sell all that much by today's standards (yes, despite the large install bases of those systems lol). I remember a similar surprised reaction happening a few months ago when Square announced the total overall sales of Final Fantasy VII.

Deathdeliverer1116d ago

Some of the best fun you can have online was the first metal gear online and to a lesser, but still fun to an extent, MGO2. The magazine, CQC, stealth, and tactical play Vs real players is just a blast. Not to mention playing Snake vs everyone? Amazing. The game will never be the same without Hideo, but Konami can definitely update what’s already there and take my money.

ceyoga1116d ago

You wouldn't be talking about the OG MGO that was included with MGS3:S would you? It's rare running into another former player. Those were some of the best memories of any online game I had.

Deathdeliverer1116d ago

Yes my man!! That seems like the BEST game that nobody played! Tranquilizer pistol, drag the body to a corner and lay a girly mag right by their head so they wake up and instantly get caught by the mag. You could get real toxic if you wanted at that point, but man that game was incredible! The only thing annoying was that damn Konami ID

P_Bomb1116d ago

Did my part!

“You’re pretty good” 🫡

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Kojima looks back on Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes on its 9th anniversary

Hideo Kojima: "After the launch, many people seemed to expect GZ to be a full game."

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-Foxtrot1175d ago

People would have gotten “your intention” if you stated it from the beginning but people didn’t want smaller episode like MGS games.

He should have just focused on MGSV and work Ground Zeroes into that game instead

I_am_Batman1175d ago

I don't remember there being confusion over Ground Zeroes being a full game. But then again I was just starting to catch up on the MGS series as a whole at that point so I might've not paid enough attention or simply have forgotten that there was confusion about it. I bet the whole Moby Dick Studios thing didn't help the casual observer understand what the hell was going on though.

I only got both MGSV games when Phantom Pain was already out and I kinda agree that it probably would've sucked if I had to wait one and a half years to pay The Phantom Pain after Ground Zeroes.

jambola1175d ago

I'm sorry what now?
Who expected that?
If it was meant to be episodic or an experiment for that, the price should / would have reflected that

MadLad1175d ago (Edited 1175d ago )

To be fair, there really wasn't enough content to actually justify even the smaller price tag. It was still half the cost of a full game, yet a 20th of the content.

I can't stand these paid glorified demos.

CrimsonWing691174d ago

Honestly, it was basically similar to the FF15 Duscae demo. My theory is he was taking too damn long to make a game and Konami was like, “Sell what you got!” It just has kind of a scummy corporate “let’s sell this demo for half the price of a full game,” feel to it.

That’s just my take on it. I love Kojima and I love the MGS series, but this and 5 were the biggest let downs, ever. Clearly unfinished work forced out because, in Konami’s defense, Kojima was going over budget and taking forever on the project.

MIDGETonSTILTS171175d ago

Lol, I loved Ground Zeroes, but releasing that level at $40 during a dryspell for games at the onset of the new gen was an obvious cash grab.

I handed over my money happily, but plenty of non-diehard fans were understandably letdown by the scale of what $40 bought them.

Chocoburger1174d ago

The price was originally $40 for the physical PS4 and XBO versions, but due to controversy it dropped down to $30 before launch. And as much as I love GZ, and even bought it twice, I do agree that $30 was too much. It should have launched at $20.

https://kotaku.com/konami-c...

staticall1174d ago

I don't know how about anyone else. But i've bought it for $20 1 week after release (or $15, don't remember the exact exchange rate) and spent 24 hours beating every mission and getting all the steam achievements. I was 100% aware what the game was about beforehand though and i did enjoy every second of it. I knew it was a work in progress and it was probably the best and less restrictive game i've played in a long time (and controls were just perfect).

Even previous MGS games didn't gave me that much freedom as Ground Zeroes did.
Love stealth? Got you covered.
Want to speedrun? Here's the timer.
Wanna kill everyone? No problem, grab that AK then and let's party.
Wanna cause chaos? Just tell Pequod where to land.
Love to drive? Then go ahead.
Miss Raiden? Then play as him.

I wish they would continue MGSV, finish remaining chapters and add more missions as DLCs, there was SO many options... A poor man still can dream...

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Metal Gear Solid V Is The Greatest Stealth Game Ever Made

Hideo Kojima was dealing with a hostile publisher who was pulling his team’s game apart at the seams in order to launch in some form of finished state, and it’s still downright masterful. Everything about it is mechanically focused and aesthetically nuanced, and not a single thing feels out of place or without purpose. Big Boss moves about each environment with a pace that provides the perfect cadence to use all manner of gadgets in whatever ways you like.

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Mobis-New-Nest1346d ago

You are incorrect and I will be taking this time to correct you. The Legend of Zelda Wind Waker Forsaken Fortress is stealth that no game has yet to match. Having Link, crawl, sneak and hide under a barrel is innovative stealth that Metal Gear Solid, Splinter Cell, Thief and Tenchu wish they had achieved. I rest my case.

ChubbyBlade1346d ago

Cardboard box beats barrel

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got_dam1346d ago

Lol I see what you did there.

fr0sty1346d ago

So tired of opinion pieces... I come here for hot news, not hot takes.

-Foxtrot1346d ago

Shit Metal Gear Solid game though

It's boring, empty, repetitive

Great mechanics and gameplay but it's just so dull....

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Chard1347d ago

I played it long after the hype had settled, and I had a blast with it. Strip away the disappointment over what it could have been, and you're still left with a great game

porkChop1347d ago

The gameplay loop was phenomenal, no question. From a gameplay standpoint it's an incredible stealth game.

porkChop1347d ago

"Hideo Kojima was dealing with a hostile publisher who was pulling his team’s game apart at the seams in order to launch in some form of finished state, and it’s still downright masterful."

Let's not pretend Kojima was entirely innocent there. The game was 5+ years into development, way over budget, and wasn't even halfway done. That's why Chapter 2 is so unfinished and Chapter 3 was scrapped entirely. He was wasting time micromanaging and second-guessing everything his team was doing, and little to no progress was being made. The same thing happened with MGS: Rising. That's why the game got rebooted as MGR: Revengeance and was handed off to Platinum. That's the only way the game was going to get finished. And yet after wasting millions on a scrapped game, MGR only went on to sell a little over 1 million units. It was a failure no matter how you look at it.

That's why Kojima was "locked away" in his office for the final 6 months of development of MGSV. So the team could actually piece together and finish the game. Was Konami just supposed to let Kojima spend more than a decade with infinite funds to make one game? Kojima isn't Rockstar, his games don't sell 170+ million units. At some point the game has to come out.

I get that Konami are a garbage company but they aren't solely responsible for what happened with Kojima. As much as I love his games and will always be a fan, MGSV was almost entirely Kojima's fault and I'm tired of people pretending that it wasn't.

MIDGETonSTILTS171347d ago

Sounds like mismanagement by Konami.

generic-user-name1346d ago

Can you prove any of what you're claiming? Because I've seen Kojima build a studio and release a AAA game in 3 years with Death Stranding. All I'm seeing here are the same conspiracy theories that people like to believe to confirm their biases towards certain people, same with Neil Druckmann. For instance, MGSV may have been in development for a while but you leave out that he was also having the FOX Engine developed alongside it, an engine so good that MGSV ran at 60fps on a PS4.

He's gone on record disputing that he ever goes over budget on very rarely has to delay his titles.

"He was wasting time micromanaging and second-guessing everything his team was doing, and little to no progress was being made."

Where did you get this from?

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Workshyskiver1347d ago

Best gameplay of the series hand down, its not even close. Worst story in the series hand down, its not even close.

Ezio20481347d ago

But that ending though with amazing music. The Man who sold the world.

1Victor1346d ago

I can’t say it’s the best or the worse to me I stopped playing metal gear at the end of 4 the official end of the snakes saga and the best in my book was 3 snake eater excellent gameplay and excellent story telling giving us the reason for big boss to go and create his own country before the metal gear saga on the 4-8 bits consoles.

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