I knew someone was going to bring the hypocrisy card.

People have selective memory I swear.

One company spent nearly an entire event on TV features during their "gaming console reveal" while the other one didn't. Simple and short.

It was never the fact that the features merely existed. The issue clearly was on the *focus* of the tv features which MS brought upon themselves as that was the main take away from the XB1 reveal event. It's no different from where people are saying that Sony is putting too much *focus* on indies (despite Sony saying that all of their 1st party devs are working on next-gen titles) due to them giving significant time at their events for indie devs to showoff their games.

That's the impression people got from watching the events plain and simple. You can twist it into fanboys saying and doing whatever, but it's not going to change the fact that TV features was what was presented initially and it should be no surprise that gamers would take issue with that.

Microsoft assumed that people would know the Xbox One was a game console. It's like every new smart phone announcement, when was the last time you seen the fact they make calls featured in the reveal? It's what sets them apart that makes the difference. Microsoft focused on the new features at the reveal.

Sony fans twisted this into a shift of focus instead of an added feature. Sony has been much more aggressive with their non-gaming content and features, but they marketed the machine as games first while doing it.

Microsoft was much more truthful with their approach while Sony said one thing and did another.

As for all of Sony's first parties working on next gen content, wouldn't that mean they are no longer supporting the PS3? What about the Vita?

You are right. Ever since the PS1 was able to play Audio CDs the system was able to do more than play games. And the reason why Microsoft got smashed was because at their reveal, there was such a huge focus on TV. Sony's reveal was all about creating the best machine for games.

In retrospect, they have similar goals (and I would argue that Sony is even more on track with a plan that effectively makes them a cable company), but they set out to brand their console as a games machine first and foremost.

This can be denied. Its about branding. Its not hypocrisy. Its smart and it shows that you are putting your core constituency first.

If you want a system just for games you aren't paying for anything else in the box. No cable box hookups and no gimmicks. However, if you want to make your system your living room entertainment portal, you are free to do that as well.

In reference to the question posed at the video, I think we forget that Sony is also a production studio. SCE would not be the ones investing in programming. I assume they would be coming up with content for a Sony TV channel that would be packed in with their TVoIP service. If the price is reasonable I would gladly take it over what I am paying for now.

So what you are saying is talk about the obvious first.... Then talk about what the console can do that previous consoles can't do..

My god you ppl are a bunch of drama queens..

Bu bu but they didn't talk about the games first! You children are beyond ridiculous!

This new gen is just an extension of last gen. I have been saying that sony got blindsided by MS and their xblive as well as adding all these media features to a games console.

Sony added their online system after the fact. Sony added in their media services after the fact. Sony created their subscription based system after the fact. this was all last gen.

Not wanting to be caught off guard again, sony is being more aggressive this time and putting MS in that awkward position. Sony has the content, resources and the means to make the PS4 do the same things as the xb1 in regards to media functionality.

Come on supe, you know Sony did a 180 post XB1 reveal..camera included. I will quite enjoy the broader scope of PS4 DRM being introduced.

@Outside and Superman

I'm going to have to disagree with you both. The majority of fanboys on this site were truly against anything having to do with TV and MS's Xbox console. You can make excuses that it was because of the reveal but even that is hard to believe. It was already stated by MS before the reveal that they would focus on their new console's features. And after said that E3 would be all about the games, as it should have been and was.

Still, even during the event Phil Spencer made announcements that MS invested billions in dedicated servers and games for the Xbox One. And if you truly believe that because of MS's reveal that the X1 would be less of a gaming machine and Sony's would be more just because Sony "said so" is truly blinded by marketing and PR dazzle.

It's hilarious that their were truly some fanboys who actually thought that Sony wouldn't do the exact same thing MS said during the reveal. That is where the hypocrisy comes from. They bashed MS for presenting their living room plans and features at the reveal but praise Sony (or say nothing) for slowly introducing and implementing what MS planned all along.

Make no mistake, both companies want control of the center of the household living room. Just because one was more obvious doesn't make their console any less of a gaming machine.

Have people really forgotten the focus of the PS3 and what it tried to do?

Did that make it a lesser game console?

I don't think many people would say yes to that, yet somehow Xbox One is a lesser gaming console, because it broadened its market.

If you look at Xbox One, it has arguably the best launch lineup of any console released in recent time (verified with metacritic).

It also has a stellar exclusive game line up, has proper cloud (read dedicated server on all multiplayer games), and had the entire of E3 last year dedicated to games, back to back. On top of that, MS is planning the same this year!

It really is just a small selection of group of fangirls making a lot of noise. The rest just enjoyes the Xbox One has to offer.

Sony isn't more game focused, they are just telling you they are and you are all eating it!!!

Too much hate from fans on both sides.

Edit: it sucks that actions of a few vocal people allow the other vocal people to be a..-hats.

@maniac

It's all about the main take away people get from watching the events.

People weren't calling for MS to remove the hmdi pass-through feature from XB1. People were upset that the majority of the reveal was spent on non-gaming related stuff. Sure MS said that E3 was going to be the place for games, but nobody expected nearly nothing gaming related to be shown at the reveal. The only memorable thing about games I remember from the reveal was CoD which the main take away from that was the dog and "advanced" A.I. fish. On the flip side nobody expected E3 to be what it was either. Again, sure MS said E3 was going to be about the games, but nobody expected it to be game after game trailer after trailer either. I think that was the first time an E3 was ever done like that(Though, I think their E3 wasn't originally going to be constructed this way, but they decided to do it this way in an attempt to win people over due to DRM). My point being that the fact that they warned ahead of time still doesn't excuse their reveal because even with that warning nobody expected the games to absent to that extent(and on the E3 side, for games to be that exuberant).

I don't know anyone who thought that Sony wouldn't have tv features/functionality and other non-gaming related features considering that the PS3 was filled with them. People just don't want those to appear as an emphasis/focus especially watching these events. I'll bring up the indie example again. Nobody watches E3 or Gamescom to see indies, so when a huge chunk of time is spent on it, you get the "indie console" and "i don't pay $400 just to play indies" comments. Same applies to the non-gaming stuff. If you want argue about fanboys then whatever. Fanboys are hypocrites period doesn't matter the platform. I just don't think it's hypocritical to take issue with MS's foucs on tv at their reveal, but yet be okay with Sony improving/rolling out their features overtime as opposed to spending a good amount of an event time talking about it.

@maniacmayhem

Trust you to try and spin this.....why do you seem so bitter

The fact is MS cares more about TV, Kinect and Sports and would rather have that as their main focus....when a company is like that how can you not call there plans.

Sony is "Games/Gamers first, TV/Sports/Gimmicks second"

@Foxtrot

Is this your hilarious way of trying to get back at me for calling you out on so many past posts. With all your bubbles THIS is the thread you want to reply to me on?

Please explain how I'm "spinning" and how I'm bitter?

"Sony is "Games/Gamers first, TV/Sports/Gimmicks second""

Lol, because that's what Sony told you so that's what you believe. But in other articles you accuse MS of telling people what THEY want you to hear. And yet here you are doing exactly what you accuse others of, falling for PR or marketing hype.

@Outside

"...because even with that warning nobody expected the games to absent to that extent.."

How does it not excuse them when they literally told everyone what it was going to be about? If someone tells you or gives you warning ahead of time shouldn't you go in knowing full well what you are going to expect?

What else would you expecting, when MS told you exactly what they were going to show.

Even if MS's reveal was focused on features was there any doubt that it also wouldn't play games? If Honda (or any car company) revealed a new car and focused on its features would there be doubt from anyone that the car still wouldn't be able to drive?

The problem lies with this forum and the few posters who speak the loudest as they took it too far. I'm sure you saw many on here who kept posting "TV,TV,TV,TV" and criticized MS for being a cable box only.

You even have Foxtrot right below you who truly believes Sony is games first and everything else second, as if all those features, designs and functions they implemented doesn't go hand in hand with their other plans for TV, Music and Movies.

"People just don't want those to appear as an emphasis/focus especially watching these events."

Fair enough, but I feel it was the fanboys that made MS's reveal on features as some sort of "sole" focus of the console as not to many xbox fanboys and fans were as disappointed as N4G made it out to be.

"Fanboys harped about the X1 being less of a game console, branding the ps4 as a game console for gamers"

Gee, maybe because MS announced their system with a bunch of cable features and Sony announced their system with games? What did you expect the resulting perceptions to be?

Microsoft made that bed, not TEH SONI FANBOIS.

@maniac

***"How does it not excuse them when they literally told everyone what it was going to be about?"****
***"Even if MS's reveal was focused on features was there any doubt that it also wouldn't play games?"***

Obviously there was no doubt that it could play games it was a "gaming console reveal" after all. Like I said, yes they warned us, but I think most were not expecting it to be THAT literal to THAT extent, is what I'm saying. Seeing how packed their E3 was they definitely could have taken 2 or 3 trailers from that and show it at the reveal instead.

And yeah, people took it too far in the comments, but again, they were all based on the lasting impression/what stood out the most from the reveal which was the instant switching between TV and gaming with no need of a remote. If MS didn't put such heavy focus on it I doubt comments like "TV TV TV" would have been as abundant as it was. If the focus was less, then comments on it would have been less as well. Like that CoD dog for example. There were so many comments on the dog because there was a good amount of focus on it when CoD was shown. Had there been less focus on the dog there would have been less comments regarding it.

@Godsmar

"Likewise Sony shows that they care about gamers by having long term in-house developers."
Didn't Sony shut down a few studios lately like Liverpool and laying off staff at Santa Monica while MS invested over 1 billion in new games development for XB1 and opened new studios like 343, Black Tusk, and Team Osaka?

"What with only being necessary for online multiplayer on the PS4 while offering discounts and "free" games over two other platforms, its a better and far more optional option than XBL in the years its been offered."

If you have ever use XB Live you should know by now that they do offer discounts on free games right? Go to CAG and you will find a large thread that updates discounts on Live on a daily basis. If you really want to get technical, PSn does not give you free game, it is like Sony Ulimited music service where you rent the license for use as long as your PSN account is paid and remains active. On Live when they say free games, they literally mean free games and not tied to pay subscription license so when your Live paid account expire, the game is for you to keep, forever.

I don't really give a cr@p about these so called "freebies" to tell you the truth, I invested in Live because of the online play and the overall better ecosystem IMO.

Yes who would think MS is an evil corporation? I mean it's not like they tried to screw gamers or anything like that with their restrictive policies.... Oh wait.

Screw gamers with their restrictive policies? Grow up. They were allowing gamers to rip their games to their HDD and access them remotely without disc based verification which is also a form of DRM. The 24 hour check in was to verify you still owned the physical copy.

LOL @ godmars... Sony CARES about gamers!

That is typically how fangirls sound. Bottom line is, companies are out to make money. The people involved might be passionate about it, but it doesn't change the fact that profit is the game of investment!

If you think somehow, Sony cares more about the industry than MS, you are sadly mistaken. PS+ is now a requirement, to play online. If Sony really cared, they wouldn't force you to pay for PS+ to play online. You know, what used to be free and the type of thing people used to complain about that the extra features should be paid for on it's own, not bundled.

Yet that argument is now gone. The accusers, are no longer accusing, but an accomplice!!!

Sony supports indie gamers, but it was MS that really supported small developers with XBLA, AND a completely free market with Xbox Live Indie Games. Until this day, none of the console manufacturers offers a similar program, where anyone can publish with no requirement for dev kits. MS is doing it again with Xbox One.

We clearly see who is pushing the industry and who is reacting!

But I don't delude myself thinking that MS is doing it for the "good of the industry" or that they "care". They do it for the money, because frankly there aren't many people that work for FREE!

Yeah, no one is buying don't starve because everyone has the same interests as you right? /s