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PS4's Project Morpheus Could Validate The Xbox One Kinect

GBM "With sales of its PS4 gaming console proceeding at a steady pace, this week Sony did what I didn’t think they ever could: it introduced something innovative with Project Morpheus."

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RaidensRising4439d ago

Not sure about kinect and VR as gamers really need tactile feedback. Its what we're all used to since day one. If kinect is used in conjunction with a controller then there are possibilities.

DeadRabbits4439d ago

Morpheus negates Kinect and relegates it to a technological curiosity gathering dust as the TV it sits upon buckles under its weight!

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Paulie_gualtieri4439d ago

@edonus

What has kinect done..? There is literally not a single game that justifies it's existence.There's no reason for it at all.What, voice commands? Camera isn't needed for that.

Just the Mic.Like using the UI on PS4 with a $5 mic.

"Kinect gives MS a serious advantage if this VR stuff takes off because kinect is already included and it detection and interaction is the best you can get in natural input or motion gaming."

By all accounts Morpheus will be bundled with a Camera rending the "advantage" null.Don't even get me started on the hilariously bad tracking of kinect..i'm serious.

You and i both know it's hit and miss, at BEST.Any of the hundreds of gameplay videos show it.Nothing compares to the 1:1 tracking of the PS eye and LED light tracking of move for example.Morpheus will use the same LED type tracking.

Sounds good to me.

Dir_en_grey4439d ago

I want this right now just for the reason of watching 3D movies. $300-$400 range is so much cheaper than the 3D headset and even has 1080p which is the reason I held out on buying the older head-sets.

If there are even VR games out for it then great cuz it'll just be a bonus.

$300-$400 for a dedicated 1080p big gaming screen + 3D is a steal.

DigitalRaptor4439d ago (Edited 4439d ago )

@ edonus

1) Kinect still needs validation cause it hasn't achieved what MS initially sold it to be and their message about its purpose in gaming has radically shifted for this generation. It has done very little to advance gaming as MS touted it to. If MS hadn't force bundled it into the Xbone package, it wouldn't have sold another 20 million units, that's for sure.

2) People (read: not only Sony fanboys) are continually questioning Kinect's place in the Xbone package that makes it $100 more expensive. That is the case whether you choost to accept it or not.

3) Kinect doesn't give MS a serious advantage. It gives them a hinderance in terms of competing with cheaper and better hardware, and when no games are justifying the extra cost, there is no advantage.

4) If VR takes off, MS will be left behind to mindshare that Sony provided a solution first on consoles. People will associate VR with PS4 before MS can even get their experiences out into the public eye.

5) The fact PS4 has more hardware grunt means it can provide better VR experiences, even if Kinect itself can afford better full body motion. https://twitter.com/thuway/... However, we both know full body motion using only a camera reduces the immersion. No Kinect game has ever INCREASED the immersion other than voice commands, that can be done using a cheap mic.

6) Kinect only captures at 30fps (33.3ms added input delay), whilst PS4 camera can capture up to 120fps at a lower resolution which will lower performance overheads and provide less input delay for better VR experiences. Combine that with the Move controller and navigation which provide haptic feedback for superior levels of immersion, especially in games like Elder Scrolls and Fallout http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

7) You have one bubble cause you are a fraud. Pretending to be a balanced gamer, when we all know that you are an Xbot. A fanboy lying to others and justifying their double standards.

Kingthrash3604439d ago

xbox, on...xbox on, XBOX ON!...>.<..----xbox....o n.

*uses controller...unplugs kinect

^^ the majority of x1 users i know.
if the kinect worked flawlessly i'd say its worth it. but it dosent and its easier and quicker to just use the controller.
so unless your skyping or twitching or just like to yell at your tv then its useless.
same maybe for morpheus, more may need to be seen. what games will work. hows it feel sitting on my head...possible eye cramps. thing like this need to be answered.
i will say its a great prospect and its possibilities to change gaming as we know it is great. but i need to demo it myself to see if its for me.
nothing negates nothing at this point.

Why o why4439d ago

Only a complete tool would think kinect has nothing to prove. We're still waiting to see the core games playable without the need of a controller like advertised. The same things labeled at the first kinect still haven't been proven by this new one yet. Time will tell but as it stands kinect is an add on and cannot play anything to core level without a pad. IF party type games and simple games are you're thing then enjoy and ignore what I'm saying but please don't pee on my leg and tell me it's rain. It's a simple device that hasn't proved any semblance of core status as of yet.

In regards to vr validating kinect. . . Sorry. Different devices and vr will have to validate itself just like kinect had/has to depending on your expectations. If sony sell us an idea then fail to produce the goods then they're up for the same scrutiny ms faced.

redwin4439d ago

Wow. Wow . You need the ps move and the ps camera for morphious to work ? If MS comes out with something like this first you all would have called it dog pop. I see what MS us doing, they let Sony come out with the pop first and let you like it and then come out with their own pop. Genius !

theshonen88994438d ago

You do not need PS camera or PS move for Morpheus to work. Those were shown off in order to demo head tracking and motion controls. Morpheus will work fine with only a dualshock 4, just like Occulus. You are not giving up tacile feedback or whatever.

redwin4438d ago

@theshonen8899, not according to the article. It says you need them. They are not talking about bundles .

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Gozer4439d ago

Its like I said before, both VR and motion controls are hindered technologies. Meaning they both are limited in what can be accomplished in the game space. Kinect is great for non gaming uses such as the X1s U.I., but motion controls are limited because of the lack of a controller to move. That's why most motion control games are on rails. VR is limited in what you can do because you have to add a controller to move around, which could lead to headaches, motion sickness, and vertigo. I expect most VR games will be on rails as well. Take away the on rails gameplay and you essentially only have a head mounted tv, VR should be more than just a head mounted tv. Especially if the Morpheus is as expensive as what is rumored.

DigitalRaptor4439d ago (Edited 4439d ago )

You are correct about one thing. Kinect is limited in terms of providing long-lasting and immersive gameplay, and everything Microsoft attempted to sell it on initially ("you are the controller", "better with kinect") has not come to fruition, even with the new iteration. I would say that is all lies based on what we are seeing now, but it's not, cause MS and their die-hard supporters found out the hard way.

Their message about Kinect has radically shifted for this hardware generation. MS are never consistent with their messaging. Kinect is now best served for multimedia, but then again, voice commands are the #1 boasted about features of the Xbone and that is possible with a microphone, not a $100 camera.

Your opinion on VR is invalidated by user experience and feedback from Oculus Rift. You are just trying to downplay it cause Sony has announced their foray into it, and because MS hasn't. You have no real idea about the potential or what Sony plans to do as far as mass market penetration is concerned. But you hope it's all on-rails, because you're a known Sony/PS4 detractor.

Gozer4439d ago

VR has been around for decades in case you didn't know. Its a hindered technology and unless there has been something miraculous happen its still a hindered technology. I have read all about Oculus Rift and Morpheus and I don't see either one as anything more than a on rails tech demo. But you a known sony bot will trumpet this Project Morpheus as the future. $1 says Project Morpheus will end up just being a head mounted tv, just like VR has been for the past 20 years.

DigitalRaptor4439d ago (Edited 4439d ago )

So you've read all about Oculus and Morpheus and neglect to see that Oculus has been used in plenty of games that aren't on-rails demos.

I will trumpet whatever technology is poised as "the future" when it comes down to the fact that this opportunity the industry has with VR is the most immersive kind of experience gaming can offer. This has nothing to do with corporate allegiance, but it so happens that Sony have taken the step to bring the VR experiences (that I was going to invest into on PC), into the living room, and I'm still excited for both, as if that's a sin.

Do you think it's any coincidence that all the big players are putting their all into VR at this specific moment? Oculus beginning their VR tech and releasing a Kickstarter for it in 2012. Sony working on prototypes for VR since 2010, and announcing their official devkit in 2014. Valve working on R&D and probably bringing out a version slightly later.

These are no coincidences as far as this is concerned. The technology of yesteryear was the hinderance. The hardware is at a stage that it can achieve immersion like we've never before seen, and we've already seen immersive VR on Oculus.

And $1... nice bet, really shows how confident you are about your own predictions.

mark3214uk4439d ago

now we need a set of gloves with playstation move like sensors attatched to the fingers

kickstarter any1?

webeblazing4439d ago

People are alreadying doing it. Finger controls for OR. Sony could release and say its innovative tho.

MCTJim4439d ago (Edited 4439d ago )

Kinect would just be a piece of the puzzle on the X1....on the PS4, the Problem with project Morpheus is cost at $250+60(move controllers)+$60(eye)+$60(game )=$430 total, it just priced itself out of the ballpark for most people other than the have to have techies. I think the tech is awesome, but rather to expensive for most people. I think a console based around this tech is in the next 10 years..meaning after the PS4's and X1's life cycle.

SniperControl4439d ago

Urm, didn't you just fork out an extra £120 for the bundled kinect?
I would imagine Move would be a optional purchase anyway, you wouldn't expect to play games like Eve: Valkyire or Project CARS with move controllers would you.

H0RSE4438d ago (Edited 4438d ago )

The difference between spending extra money on a bundled kinect vs spending money on the VR bundle, is that buying the kinect is unavoidable if you want an X1, thus you have to spend that extra cash and get the kinect, to get the console. Many have done just that, and accepted it - they wanted the console, so they had to get the kinect.

If you are buying the VR unit, you aren't doing it out of some "ends justify the means" mindset, to get your hands on the PS4 - the entire purchase is optional peripherals. So you are left with the case of buying a kinect because it came bundled with the X1, vs already having a PS4, and choosing to spend that extra money on peripherals.

Going by MCTJim's pricing, spending $430 on optional peripherals and a game to use them on, seems a bit less justified vs spending $500 on a an entire game console that comes bundled with a peripheral. Even if you drop the price of the move controllers, it's still $370 for items that still require the purchase of a console to play.

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AutoCad4439d ago

N4G doesnt want to hear this lol.

MasterCornholio4439d ago

Yeah that Kinect 2 works with the PS4.

:P

Anyways i dont see how Project Morpheus will validate Kinect 2 since Morpheus and Kinect 2 are not compatible with each other. For that you need the PlayStation Eye.

Hicken4439d ago

Who WOULD want to hear an incoherent, nonsense argument that actually disproves itself?

Jughead34164439d ago (Edited 4439d ago )

The main problem with the Kinect is, it's not optional, and no games for it so far. Everyone knows it's a good piece of technology, but Microsoft hasn't made it attractive enough for "gamers" to want it. Great example....PS4's camera isn't as capable as the Kinect, but it's sold out everywhere and everyone wants it. People respond to it better when they have a choice, and it's not forced on them.

SniperControl4439d ago

It's the main reason I haven't bought an X1 yet, I think kinect is unnecessary pushing the price up of the console.
I bought the 1st kinect for £150, with-in 6 months, I had unplugged it and thrown it in the cupboard, total waste of money, all those BS promises from MS, everyone remembers Milo right?
I am not prepared to spend £120 extra for it to control my TV with my voice (half the time, it does not work anyway, as witnessed on my mates X1)I have a perfectly good universal remote to do that.

Minato-Namikaze4439d ago

Kinect isn't VR. Not sure what the article is getting at.

Bigpappy4439d ago

It is hinting that maybe using you own movement in VR could be more immersive than holding on to a controller.

I think they could be room for both. I am just not sure my eyes would be ready for what would like to throw at them. I will start looking at what could make VR better after I experience it for myself

MorePowerOfGreen4439d ago (Edited 4439d ago )

Probably talking about the advanced full skeletal 3D motion tracking going hand and hand with VR. MSFT's solution will be more advanced and will be made for Kinect. MSFT will sit back and see if VR flops before they get more serious about it, doing something more than R&D.

The Sony solution is messy and expensive it will flop when it comes to the masses. Too many components is needed. Only MSFT can keep this tech from flopping. Looks like PS4 should have come with the camera after all.

"Project Morpheus Could Validate The Xbox One Kinect"

^^^ It's the other way around. Project Oculus will save its bacon by showing its capability with Kinect 2.0

sic_chops4439d ago

@green One bubble. I see why. I wouldn't trust M$ to make a VR headset. They will be better off using someone else's. We all know how horrible they are at making hardware. Zune, Xbox 360(rrod), xbox one huge like a vcr with a big hole in the top, power bricks in 2014. Sony console= half the size, no power brick, and more powerful. Less power of green. More size of green.

SniperControl4439d ago

Don't forget the extra secret gpu built right into the kinect and also the 6gb of ddr4 ram hidden inside the controller, all it needs is the coming of the messiah (DX12) to bring it to life.
But of course, that is all covered by a super secret NDA, which even the top people at MS don't know about.

Morpheus and Rift will do just fine on there own.

You comedian........ Lol

Subaruwrx4439d ago

Agree. Motion gaming should not be compared to VR gaming. Motion controlled gaming, imo, was a last generation fad. MS made a huge mistake by including the kinect 2.0 with the Xbox One console(voice and motion control of menus is not a killer app and MS has yet to release a game that justifies the existence of the kinect 2.0.) Even Nintendo, who pioneered motion gaming, has moved away from it with the Wii U. VR could turn out to be a fad for this generation as well however, it's not being forced upon anybody. Imo, for console gaming VR to succeed it has to be affordable and has to have good support from game developers to avoid being a fad. Personally, I will not pay much more than $200 for a console accessory.

Geekman4439d ago

That depends. If the Kinect becomes optional, you have to wonder what it will cost compared to the Morpheus.

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