I agree completely. I'm sure the experience is really good, but for $30 it better be holding me over for a lot longer than an hour or two. I've played $5 - $10 games that are longer than that.

Every single person who buys it is directly telling game companies, "Yes, it is okay to do this." Unless you're a raging devoted MGS fan, fuck you, we need to show them that this isn't okay.

Depends on what your definition of a rip off is. For instance, I payed nearly 20 euro for gone home, which I hated and finished in 2 hours. I had no problem with this really.

Ok buddy, I don't think that running around doing nothing and falling asleep at the controller would exactly count as being 15 legitimate hours spent ACTUALLY playing the game. It's just a demo. Seriously.

Ok i'm not complaining about the price since i got it for $20 and love the game, but you are only 15% with 15 hours? You're doing something wrong man, I have less time than that and have done 41% and S ranked 3 missions all without alerting or killing except for the mission where you are in a chopper for the most part.

Im with you Grave. I have put in plenty of hours into the game even though people seem to think it's just a "two hour glorified demo" which it is clearly not. The gameplay,animations,graphics and lighting are all amazing and are of the highest quality and that is enough to justify its price. 30 dollars is not a rip off for this quality game. Screw the whiners and all the other brats who think they are entitled to more. Skyrim was easily a 300 hour game and The Last of Us was about 15 to 20 hours but does that mean that Skyrim is better quality or a better deal? I think not.

So instead of just not buying the game you want "ground rules"? That's a terrible idea and one that limits creative control. Yeah, let's make some quota of game time just because of this. Let's put more regulations on game development. Let's force multiplayer into games that don't have or need it. Let's expand single-player with meaningless filler. Let's push budgets more and make more development houses close.

Seriously, if Ground Zeroes is too short for the price to you, don't buy it, but I don't think there should be some industry standard to limit developers even more than they already are. There's barely enough innovation as it is, so let's not make it any worse, okay?

@TheWow

Trust me, I understand what you're saying, and don't worry, I'm of the camp who believes Ground Zeroes isn't worth its current asking price, even though it's a great game in terms of quality. And really, it's not so much "innovation" as it is that I don't want developers to have to pad their game just to meet a "length quota" if you will.

It's bad enough that games are getting meaningless multiplayer like in Tomb Raider, so I think having "ground rules" would just lead to the industry becoming even more stagnant.

I'm surprised it's still the old site. I thought he said starting today?

Insert the Ferris Bueller end scene... "You're still here? It's over.."

Never say die

They for sure chose the worst way to deal with it

Funny considering Bruce left half way through development and now we get told there was an internal conflict with the story direction.

Makes you think…

It was ironic because people complained heavily about the story in the Uncharted games not having sufficient stakes because all the key characters always survived, despite the dangerous situations they were always in. Then ND killed a character in a more serious series and everyone lost their minds. Just shows that people don't always really want the thing they say they want.

Didn't have to kill him. Just have them part ways or Joel can "retire," whatever.

I don't think he would necessarily need to become a mascot (and besides, technically, I'd say Ellie is... So regardless, someone was going to be).

From a narrative perspective, I do think it has a similar effect to Ricky dying in Boyz N Da Hood: very likeable character, and you're really motivated to see the get back—in this case, it's more intense because it's an interactive experience. Most people hated Abby, but I get what they were after with portraying the cycle of violence and revenge—unfortunately, the game appears to want to take the side of the bad people.

But I will say that if Joel survived, it does become harder to tell an interesting story. What COULD have happened is an exploration into the rift between Joel and Ellie after the trolley dilemma events of the first game. It could have been interesting to see Abby out for revenge at the same time Ellie hated Joel.

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments