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DX 12 Will Improve Xbox One Games' Performance, Reduces CPU Utilization By 50%

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Boltshocker4495d ago

XB1 seems to be getting alot better keep up the good work Microsoft listen to your fans

u got owned4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

excited, finally good news from MS camp, now give us that price drop

Gazondaily4495d ago

Yeah this is big. More Nandos sauce than secret sauce.

TI_214495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

MS had some good news for a while now. ;)
Though DX12 won't be such a huge jump on X1 since it already uses a custom D3D console API which doesn't have as much overhead to begin with.

Saigon4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

I am not trying to hate, but did we speak too soon regarding this. I mean it won't be available until late 2015. What was the point of showing it this soon, why not wait until next year when it is a little more reasonable or the end of 2014. But I do know why it done this early, lets see if anyone else can guess...

Highlife4495d ago Show
SmielmaN4495d ago

Price drop won't happen until holiday 2015. Btw, this isn't being released until holiday 2015?! By then we will be on second and third generation games for these consoles! Everything's going to look better.

PONTIAC08G8GT4495d ago

The news lately has actually been good for MS.

- New update rolled out
- Titanfall launched successfully
- Another update was announced for April
- Project Spark BETA is up and available for everyone
- DX12
- EA secured rights for Titanfall 2
- Twitch service
- X1 system sale increase

They are still behind PS4 but its nice to see they are making an attempt to right the ship.

UnholyLight4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

Yes, finally some good news.

Now hopefully both my consoles will get equal amounts of love. Currently playing the crap out of my PS4 compared to the X1.

See everyone? Why were you so quick to write off the X1? Don't you feel at least a bit idiotic right now?

DeathOfTheFanBoy4495d ago

@Saigon it's not meant for the public, this is for devs.

Evilsnuggle4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

I Posted a video that said the same thing . That yes DX 12 would improve tools for xbone. But it's seriously doubtful that the xbone would receive a substantial boost In performance. No super duper ultimate extra special secret sauce or No 5%-10 performance boost. The video also said it would not close the performance gap between PS4 AND xbone. The red dragon and a lot of xbone fanBoys Are so delusional By insisting that DX 12 would be some sort of secret sauce more disappointment For the xbone boys and girls.

SmielmaN
Michael Pachter has insiders at Microsoft that said that Microsoft will drop kinect in 2015. Michael Pachter also said that the reason that every xbone has a Kincet is because of tricky Don Juan Mattrick . Don Mattrick though kinect would change the world now Don Mattrick is gone so will kinect said Michael Pachter.
http://n4g.com/news/1471270...

jebabcock4495d ago

A release of Holiday 2015 is almost 2 years away... i sense vaporware.... another milo if you will...

The Great Melon4495d ago

@PONTIAC08G8GT

EA securing rights for Titanfall 2 isn't a good thing for Microsoft. It pretty much means that it is coming out for the PS4.

GameNameFame4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

So Xbox 1 gets mantle like features.

So PS4 will get the same thing or already has one working soon.

How does that close the gap? both gets same software?

benefit is mostly for PC really.

GameNameFame4495d ago

Just to be clear.

Xbox One can ALREADY "Code to Metal". So in reality, besides of easy porting, it offers no advantage, no change in gap size.

You still are limited by hardware. No power lock. No new special processing.

Just better access to hardware for programmer. Good for PC. For consoles, they had that already for looooong time.

ProjectVulcan4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

Well pretty much what I said. That it'll take ages to arrive and not matter to Xbox One. The figures thrown around for it aren't going to apply to console either.

It'll benefit PC most, Xbox One will just get gradual updates to improve it just as PS4 will.

The fact is they are largely CPU performance related also isn't a big deal for consoles which share the same CPU architecture, but have a large disparity in GPU performance....

It'll be a boon for PC developers though.

awi59514495d ago

@Evilsnuggle

Direct x9 to 10 was a huge boost too bad microsoft tried to force windows vista down our throats with it. Well games like crysis it was found out that you could force most of the lighting effects onto windows xp it was close but not as good as vista. But stalker has a huge boost with direct x 10 so it was a noticeable graphics upgrade.

waljaber4495d ago

2015 PS4 will be the leading console by then and plenty of games will look way better then X1, two n half year from lunch console :( come on.

UltimateMaster4494d ago

It reduces the CPU to offload the task onto the GPU instead. Like what the PS4 is currently doing.

ABizzel14494d ago

It's amazing what a fake headline can do. The XBO isn't getting 50% more CPU performance, that 50% increase in performance was directly aimed at low end PC CPU's. The XBO already has a low level API, so DX12 will be a modest improvement over what's being offered, but hopefully much better tools. Also the XBO's CPU isn't the problem, it's the GPU being under-clocked and having cores cut from it's original HD 7790 (which would be a good GPU, but turn it into a 7750 + 7770 hybrid / 7760), and the lack of graphics RAM (6GB DDR3 + 2GB GDDR5 would have been so much better).

The XBO needs GPU and RAM improvements, not a slight CPU boost, but every little bit helps. The last thing is that games won't be launching with DX12 support until late 2015.

DX12 is a nice boost for PC gaming, but a minor boost to XBO, but every little bit helps, in keeping these consoles current.

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GarrusVakarian4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

Ok...so what ive gathered so far is that DX12 will basically allow the X1's CPU and GPU to perform tasks more efficiently, right?

If im correct, then obviously, as a result of increased efficiency, you should get increased performance. But how much exactly? I think people are expecting way too much here without realising exactly how much DX12 will help. Can anyone with actual knowledge clue me/us in?

Edit: "DX 12 coming Holiday 2015"....wtf? Why so long?

Edit 2: So the Forza 5 demo they showed off at the DX12 conference was running on an NVIDIA PC....wtf?

creeping judas4495d ago

Not the technical reply you were hoping for, but at this point I think anything is better than nothing.

kingdip904495d ago

I agree it would be good to know how much of a technical bump this will offer.

consumers need to know which system is the most powerful and has more Bang for its buck. If xbox can definitively say it can out perform ps4 it may bump sales even if people are waiting forever for the update (I believe article says holiday 2015)

rdgneoz34495d ago

Probably similar to the hype of what the eSRAM could do for the system. Also, it has almost 2 years before it comes out and a little after that before it gets taken advantage of.

sinspirit4495d ago

Why so long? Because, Microsoft having all of that money doesn't mean they work hard. Windows has been nothing but minor updates for over a decade and neglect for problems consumers have repeatedly had, and they still charge ridiculous prices for an upgrade of decade old software, and still pull the 32-bit/64-bit crap to price the unrestricted models higher than the basic and 32-bit versions, that are the same software but they basically gimp it to drive the price of the higher models and to hopefully have people buy the basic and upgrade later on.

Charybdis4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

Some of the benefits will extend to the xb1. Though not as much as for pc's comparable to mantle it (directx12) tries to create a console like level api (efficiency) on pc's. The biggest thing shown for directx in the forza example is that it will be easier for developpers to port their games to pc's using directx 12.

u got owned4495d ago

@Lukas_Japonicus

you are trying to hard to downplay this... Dont worry PS4 will be just fine.

"If im correct, then obviously, as a result of increased efficiency, you should get increased performance. But how much exactly?"

the answer is in the title... "Reduces CPU Utilization By 50%"

ramiuk14495d ago

exactly holiday 2015 is way to far away.
while its great for pc as PC pretty solida with dx11 but in regard to consoles imo the PS4 Will be too far infront in terms of fidelity for it to help MS,as by then xbone will prob be £199 at retail.

GarrusVakarian4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

@ u got owned

Seriously...wtf are you even talking about? In absolutely no way am i trying to downplay this. I commented on my understanding of DX12 and asked if i was correct...that's it. How can i downplay something that im asking people to explain to me due to my lack of knowledge?

Seems that you are reading my comment with a hint of salty pre-judgement.

"the answer is in the title... "Reduces CPU Utilization By 50%""

Lol, no it's not. That doesn't tell me how *much* of a performance increase we will see in actual games. That just tells us that the CPU will be more efficient.

nypifisel4495d ago

You're correct being careful. Cause even though it surely will help the effects are way to overstated here. One have to realize that the performance of the silicon in the Xbox One as well as the PS4 is static! It can't change!

Also thinking like this is rather silly cause that assumes that the API for the PS4 won't improve at all, which of course is ludicrous. The Xbox One will NEVER be able to close the gap. And right now more than anything it's the small ESRAM which is the Xbox Ones biggest problem.

SniperControl4495d ago

@nypifisel

Bub up, you hit the nail on the head, I love how xboys think Sony are doing nothing to improve the PS4.

n4gsuxass4495d ago

Why do you ask for someone with technical knowledge to clue you in, yet in the same post you are already downplaying its possible impact.

Negative. Have an open mind.

GameSpawn4495d ago

@Lukas

I think you and I both want more information.

The purple elephant in the room:
"Reduces CPU Utilization By 50%"

In comparison to what, Microsoft? My bet is that the whole statement is:
"Reduces CPU Utilization By 50% [in comparison to DX 11]"
Because most performance comparisons are done with previous versions. This was completely omitted by either Microsoft or the article writer to "enhance" the truth and make the announcement seem more amazing than it really is -- all it really does is leave those looking for more technical information staring with question marks over their heads.

Now if this truly is the case...how many games use DX 11 as their sole API and not already using a custom API with lower overhead than DX 11?

MetaReapre4495d ago

@Lukes
In terms of graphical fidelity. It will be a small boost. In terms of computing capability it is quite big. Not 100 percent sure but I belive for the most part in games you should see improving fps in games that use it.

@u got owned
The 50% cpu power doesn't tell us much on the overall graphic processing power that improves stuff like resolution and texture qualities... For all we know it might not be even enough improvement to notice.

TruthfullySO4495d ago

! Just a heads up for you guys, DX12 isn't meant for current tech like XBONE/ or current apu,SoC type architecture not saying the xbone or other tech wont benefit. The changes to the program set are for memory allocation changes, and rendering commands particularly for spread spectrum on logical gpu/cpu sets with multiple cores. Allowing for greater throughput, efficiently and predictability in processing. This will affect any devices with programmable pipelines that support DX11.
The only thing about the xbone is the conflicts within the pipeline when throughput is already about maxed out, leaves little room for the cpu/gpu to dump/fetch instructions from the pipeline, my guess this is where it will benefit the xbone the most. Making it easier to dump/fetch data for new instructions. PS4 eliminated this problem with using a shared programmable pipeline, so CPU/GPU can dump/fetch accordingly, while also using the instruction set without having to duplicate it like in the classic cpu/gpu setup, that was the importance of DDR5 memory in the PS4 architecture.

PC's will benefit the most with the iteration of DDR4 next year. My guess is this is Microsoft preparation for implementing ddr4 into its server systems, which will benefit from the doubling of memory bandwidth and improved allocation tables.
DDR4 is the memory solution for single chip solutions in the future because they allow independent programming of individual DRAMS, which greatly improves individual program performance.

Sorry for typing so much just trying help people get a better understanding.

thehitman4495d ago

No amount of more CPU utilization will make up for bandwidth issues the XB1 has. Means still low resolution games and a 50% better utilization if true will only increase games about 3-5 fps on average. Not trying to be a hater but all MS did was give xbox fans another false hope and people will eat this up like see MS has a plan... Kind of pathetic. There is a saying though "Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me" so hope people keep that in mind.

BOLO4495d ago

"Edit: "DX 12 coming Holiday 2015"....wtf? Why so long?"

DirectX 12: Brought to you by Windows 9.

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mark3214uk4495d ago

2015 for x1 to do what ps4 is doing NOW wtf lol

Thunderhawkxbox4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

Can u tell me wat ps4 can do xbox one can't don't bring me that 1080p crap if they give u game I bet u can't even tell what resolution game is on if devs don't say anything about it

Flutterby4495d ago

Well at the moment thunder hawk the ps4 can run any game better by about 50% or more.

IAmSovereign4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

@Thunderhawk

"don't bring me that 1080p crap"

You need to stop with that argument. It has nothing to do with the resolution itself. It has to do with the fact that compared to the ps4 the xbox one blinks. Down the road the power gap will show in more than just resolution. AI processing, the ability to create scenarios, these will all come into play down the road. It may only be about resolution now. But what about when a game comes out that fully utilizes all of the PS4s juice, in beauty and in gameplay, and the XB1 just can't cut it?

LexHazard794495d ago

@ I am sovereign,

Fanboh comment dude! But whatever I actually agree that XB fans to wait and see just how exactly this is going to work! Also a ways off for early 2014 apartment.

IAmSovereign4495d ago

Bakpain, it isn't a fanboy comment. Its facts. There is a massive power gap. Whether you want to accept it or not. It's just the truth.

I don't even own a PS4 either.

OpieWinston4495d ago

HAHAHAHAHA
You think that Open GL is as good as DirectX?
That was pretty funny...If you read their blog.
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dir...

That's when it'll be released on PC. It'll be releasing on X1 later this year.

Between Tile resourcing and CPU utilization...You'll be seeing some damn good Exclusive X1 games and decent Third party games (Not a lot of good third party devs out there)

And all that talk about eSRAM being a major bottleneck will be laughable when the X1 is able to offload tasks off the GPU too MAJOR extremes. Cloud allows for Audio/Other tasks to be lifted off it. CPU being able to use MULTI THREADING...This is BIG news for gaming. Direct X eSRAM streaming is pretty advanced and with 16 MB of it they were able to get 6 GB of DDR3...So wait and see for first party.

Rhythmattic4495d ago

opiewinston

As for all the talk of the eSRAM being a major bottleneck ... I agree it's not...
It's actually MS's choice of DDR3 as it shared memory pool that is the "Bottleneck". ....
For this reason alone , the eSRAM is far from that.

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andrewsqual4495d ago

"When compared to previous iterations, this a big change in the way DX talks to the GPU. In short this will improve performance across the board for Xbox One games"
Lol "in short"? How about any kind of information how this works at all? How does DX12 allowing better talk to GPUs for the first time ever on Windows Operating Systems have anything to do with "improving performance across the board for Xbox One games"????

n4gsuxass4495d ago

What does it matter if you know how it delivers? Do you think you understanding bares any impact upon whether it works or not?

No quite simply. Although I also prefer information over ignorance, I'm not going to knock MS for keeping the details low. Remember the majority of people either don't care how it works or wouldn't understand most of the technical jargon.

Prime1574495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

No, some of us are tired of their amazing pr spinning it to be much better when in reality it's old technology their competition has had for awhile.

Edit: and if you hate n4g that much, why not do the logical thing and NOT type it into your browser, as the internet is much bigger.

GamingSinceThe80s4495d ago

Sounds nice but holiday 2015? 2 years is a long time to wait.I wish they could roll this out a little faster.Why not now?

jetlian4495d ago

more like 18 months and devs just getting it so
how could they use it in such a short amount of time?!

halo 5 ff15 and mgs5:pp should be coming out by then

Cueil4495d ago

It's already available for use internally.you will start to see a significant increase in overall performance in games

ramiuk14495d ago

yeah almost a\s insane as them trying to make people belive that eSRAM was mega powerful and would make it faster than ps4 lol.

and in 18 months ps4 will have widened the gap so far MS will need a new console to compete.
PC's will benefit but not xbone.

Gutted as I Want xbone to succeed but im stuggling to see anything good for it

thrust4495d ago

They have said xbox one supports dx12 so yes it will benefit from it.

valet_Smerdyakov4495d ago

Don't forget da cloudz! They will make xbox 3 times more powerful!

Kingnichendrix4495d ago

Its going to be like their incredible Titan Fall Cloud Ai they boasted about hahahaha

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Jumper094495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

Microsoft wasnt reacting to fans with DX12, its a reaction to AMDs Mantle lol

And it wont improve much on Xbone, because the DX12 features are already there on Xbone.

Convas4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

Is that why Intel's been working with Microsoft for years on development of DirectX 12? Why it will work with Haswell?

You guys need to beef up your attacks.

This isn't MS responding to Mantle, this is MS CRUSHING Mantle.

Nvidia confirmed that DX12 will work on Fermi, Kepler, Maxwell and forward. AMD confirmed they will support it with their GPUs as well.

You now have both GPU fabs flying the DX flag again ... and you think, that this was all in reaction to Mantle?

Ahaha! *wipes tears*

Jumper094495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

Yes it was a reaction to mantle... Why wait so long if its already 4 fucking years in development?

Im wiping my tears about your stupid fanboyism that believes everything what microsoft says...

Obscure_Observer4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

@Convas

I desagreed with you mistake (dam you IPad) :/

Gonna give you a bubble to make amends.

Cheers

Tempest3174495d ago

@Convas

HHardly CRUSHING mantle, as this isnt available for nearly another 2 years...mantle is available (granted its limited) today. It really makes more sense that this is a knee jerk response to mantle

starchild4495d ago

Yes, Mantle is available but only on a couple games, and while the gains are nice I get graphical artifacts in Thief and microstuttering, even though my average and minimum framerates improved a lot.

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AnimeFreak0134495d ago

Agreed I'm really happy MS is trying hard to improve the X1as I really think it needed a lot of improvements sense it's launch in November and so far they done an amazing job with updates on the system. Now I might just get the X1 as I'm seeing lots of fixes and updates MS is doing to the X1 that I before didn't want to get till my complainments r fixed plus I so want to play DR3 FM5 and KI. BTW yes I own my PS4 and luv it but in terms of features and updates sony has done so far are a little bare bone compared to X1.

troylazlow4495d ago

Moooooooooore Poooooooower!

RiPPn4495d ago

The fact that Xboners get excited about even the idea of a performance increase is a tell that deep down they know their system is weak sauce.

SourShoes4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

Yes, in terms of software. But where is this dGPU, the secret more powerful chip that a certain live journalist said would be revealed today? Oh no! The MS event is over. He's a liar. Stop believing his bs fanboys. You know who you are.

Edit: Hopefully this will destroy his website's last inkling of credibility to the aforementioned fanboys. Die MisterXmedia

PSVita4495d ago

That guy misterX has serious issues

nypifisel4495d ago

It wont, his followers are as insane and far away from reality as he is. He's been disproved hundreds of times yet these people still believe him, I honestly don't get it :S

Hawkinst5404495d ago

At the moment he is claiming that Albert Penello is lying/wrong about there being no stacked GPU haha

killzone6194495d ago

Nandos chicken burger. BRAP!

PSVita4495d ago

Update 2: Microsoft has confirmed that it will release DX 12 in Holiday 2015.

Holiday 2015!?

Magicite4495d ago

''Microsoft has confirmed that it will release DX 12 in Holiday 2015''.
Lots of things can happen meanwhile.

fr0sty4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

Good to see that XB1 won't be stuck using an inefficient API. Now it's API should be able to code closer to the metal much like PS4 and Mantle. This won't automatically mean you'll start seeing more 1080p games and that sort of thing, but you will see performance increases. More stable frame rates, more enemies on screen due to less CPU overhead, better physics, etc.

Shame it won't be here until almost 2016.

deadfrag4495d ago

Neither will the PS4!Really Fanboys are the worst thing for gaming,all this that Dx12 will probably add to the XBOXONE API will in some form end up in the PS4 API too,in case you fanboys wonder.First the xboxone is not going to run DX12 is going to use some features of DX12 on the Xboxone main API,Microsoft is not writting DX12 for Xboxone like some delusional fanboys are thinking!Second the Ps4 APi can use or be optimize to use various features of other known Api`s librarys like Opengl`s,and in case you people dont know Opengls is going to support all this new features of Dx12 its already confirmed!So go play games,and expect only what can actually be seen,2015 is not next month!

fr0sty4495d ago

The performance increases that this would add to Xbox's API are likely already included in PS4's. Direct X was notorious for having a lot of overhead, and that is what Xbox's API is based on. Hence the name, (Direct)Xbox. However, PS4's was always one similar to mantle/DX12, it offers good low level access already. Not to say both APIs can't and won't improve.

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Eddie201014495d ago

If Directx12 doesn't release until holiday 2015, then its going to be a long time before you see any difference in games for PC and Xbox One, at least 2 years into Xbox One being on the market.

Seems like a premature announcement.

webeblazing4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

is the new nvidia gpu going to be dx12. this says dx12 not coming out for 2yrs

ITPython4495d ago

Wow, it's releasing Holiday of 2015? I thought it was going to be sometime soon, as in 2014.

That's quite a long time before the XB1 gets this boost. I mean crap, the US will already have voted for a new president by Holiday 2015, and it seems like that is a REALLY long time from now.

Makes you wonder if MS was initially planning on launching the XB1 in 2015, as that seems to be when a lot of their AAA exclusive games are releasing as well.

cell9894494d ago

And when it does come out you ain't really getting that 50% boost just like you ain't getting a x10 boost from the cloud. No amount of software magic can cure bad hardware specs

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ArbitorChief4495d ago

Fantastic news, DX12 is sounding promising!

christocolus4495d ago

This is great news. I think MS has been planning this all along. The xbx one imo was to be released this year. Great news...i expect Ms 1st and 2nd party would have been working with early versions of DX12 for some time now ..so im guessing we will see some amazing xbx one games at E3..

PSVita4495d ago

Here's go MS with it "Wait for it!..." tag line again...and once again everyone's happy about it and praises MS because they must have planned it all along smh Holiday 2015 lol

I'd say just remember Milo and the kinect promises..

fr0sty4495d ago

It will lead to performance increases, though not like many would like to think. It won't lead to parity with other consoles, for instance. It will lead to fanboys using it as a bullet point in their endless efforts to justify their purchase.

Eddie201014495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

Microsoft planned on having next gen games in 2015, two years after release of the Xbox One console. Even then it will not be better than PS4. PS4 will have improved their Programming API and games will be much better than they can be now.

christocolus4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

@psvita and Eddie

Whats with you guys and the insecurity? Did i mention the ps4 once in my comment? And what does milo and kate have to do with Ms Dx12? I am referring to the xbx one as the article is obviously about it..so whats with the ps4 will be better talk about?...damn. Did i even mention the PS4?..and so you know eddie if by 2015 xbx one games look way better than Quantum break then that would be a huge step up one that i believe every xbx fan will be very happy about.....you guys are a very weird bunch though...you do the weirdest things.

PSVita4494d ago

"And what does milo and kate have to do with Ms Dx12?"

It's one of the small examples of how they baited their Xbox audience again and again with false promises of things that would get better over time. Are people really excited to wait until late 2015 for something that it should have been released with?

And the PS4 is relevant because even with DX12 on the Xbox it'll still have more power and that's not including the improvements the are sure to come on the software side.

If all else fail maybe MS will just make everyone's XB1 600% more powerful with the cloud..

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Eddie201014494d ago

@Christoculus

Not Insecure at all, Just stating common sense.

infectedaztec4495d ago

NO WAY! SERIOUSLY NO WAY!......really?

I'm no tech head so this seems like black magic to me.

If its true then its massive news.....groundbreaking....gam e changing....

Eonjay4495d ago

It basically means that framerates can be boosted.

4logpc4495d ago

That is not what it means at all.

Eonjay4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

@4logpc

Yes it does. People think that its the GPU that holds back the Xbox One. They are wrong. They Xbox GPU is more than capable of doing 1080p @60Hz. The problem is a bottlenecked CPU that can't keep up with the GPU. With DX12, the GPU wont spend time idling while it waits for the CPU. This will boost framerates.

What did Mantle boost on AMD chips? Framerates.

4logpc4495d ago

@eonjay

Sorry but you are so wrong it hurts.

GarrusVakarian4495d ago

The CPU bottlenecks the GPU? Huh? That's the first time ive ever heard that. I thought the ESRAM was the bottleneck?

The way ive had it explained to me before is that the GPU with the ESRAM band-aid is the bottleneck.

Eonjay4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

@4logpc.

I'm not trolling or trying to downplay anything. This is great news but people want to know what it means and I actually understand it. Can you tell me what you think it mean? Maybe I am missing something but I do know that if you boost the efficiency of a CPU, it increase framerates because you spend less time waiting on the CPU to complete a frame.

@Lukas_Japonicus

The CPU bottlenecks framerates.
The ESram bottlenecks resolution.

Dewitt4495d ago

Eonjay is correct, the ESRAM is there to improve the throughput to the CPU which reduces idle. If you can get them closer to same level with less idle it will indeed increase the performance across the board. By their numbers it looked like between 20-30% boost for lower level APUs.

CoLD FiRE4495d ago

Eonjay is right about the CPU bottlenecking the GPU yet everyone disagrees with him and agrees with Lukas who apparently has never heard of a CPU bottlenecking a GPU.

A CPU bottleneck is a known issue when it comes to balancing a system. Imagine running a Titan with a Celeron then run the same GPU with an i7-4770k. Do you honestly think it's gonna perform the same in both situations?

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Drewidian4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

You have to understand that part of the reason the Xbox one is having performance issues is the architecture of the operating systems. There's a virtualization/hardware abstraction layer and then on top of that there's the OS for the games and the Windows 8 styled OS interface for apps. Part of the problem (I believe) with this model is that the games have to essentially process through an emulator/translator to talk to the hardware. Direct X12 seems to have allowed a more direct/efficient/optimized method of talking to the graphics and CPU hardware. It could prove to be very promising for future games.

Kenshin_BATT0USAI4495d ago

As a tech head I'll tell you this is more of a boon to PCs than the X1. regardless of how good Dx12 is, it won't sufficiently boon the X1 to make up for it's hardware being extremely average.

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Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle73d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7772d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Relientk7777d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box78d ago (Edited 78d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300078d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7278d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit77d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania78d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit77d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0777d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr78d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box78d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr77d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit77d ago (Edited 77d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9578d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7278d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit77d ago (Edited 77d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--78d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box77d ago (Edited 77d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7277d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket77d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm77d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde77d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9277d ago (Edited 77d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_78d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted78d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania78d ago (Edited 78d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit77d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9277d ago (Edited 77d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT78d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers78d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14978d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0777d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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