Are you saying that the E3 trailer has been downgraded to the best looking console game. Ever.

Here is a direct feed, 1080p screenshot from a cutscene of the most recent build shown to the public - http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-...

Here is your biased, compressed screenshot from a cutsecne in a youtube video- http://cdn2.dualshockers.co...

Lol. Doesn't look washed out/jaggy/low quality at all in the image i posted. Next time, make fair comparisons.

Although i do agree on the lighting, but im not sure if i would say "downgraded"...just looks like they changed the time of day/direct sunlight/saturation.

Watch this, E3 gameplay-
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Then watch this, most recent build gameplay -
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Downgrade? Where?

@Abriael
you should get your own source where you can confirm the quality of the material you have, you jumped the gun on this one.

sloppy reporting Abriael, you can do better.
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the difference here is the lighting, first obvious thing is that it's a different time of day

and the lighting is more subtle in the new shots, where in the old shots they are to strong, making object in the shadow hard to make out.

also notice the character textures in the new shots are actually better, and no change is apparent to the rest of the game world textures.

Watchdogs maybe downgraded because its multiplatform, but expect Infamous Second Son to be the standard for next gen graphics since its ps4 only exclusive not in pc or xbone, so believe me this game is going to something special and amazing.

You must really be dim brother.. It's a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TIME OF DAY!

I know how you guys just LOVE images using too much contrast and sharpness, but the new build is clearly better.

You also provide an inadequate comparison, with some images being compressed to fack.

This is a complete fail, revealing your true colours partner.

For the same morons who moan about PS4 owners spouting BS in MS articles, you, lifeisgameok, ArbitorChief are doing a fine job.

Hypocrites. Try harder, this looks miles ahead of anything on the XBone.

haha you fail!
the "new" Delsin clearly has a better defined face and your 2 pictures show that.
does it hurt your **** that this "downgraded" game looks better than anything out there? keep trolling but you will FAIL everytime :)

While some are feeding us garbage and CG graphics about their games and clearly downgrade it the day it releases, others like Sucker Punch step their game up and deliver.

oh dear ...oh dear,
the time of day is different ..so let's call it "Downgrade"

didn't expect this from you @Abriael
always liked your articles but not this time

@NewMonday: you say that I should get better sources , and then you proceed to say exactly the same thing I wrote? Double personality?

I wrote that there's a large difference, not that there's a large downgrade (or upgrade). And there is. The quality of the videos has nothing to do with it, as it doesn't change the lighting, doesn't add or remove elements of the environment, which are the differences here.

Only fanboys (either looking to flamebait or to be overly defensive) would read "difference" as "downgrade," because there surely isn't a single mention of a change in QUALITY in the whole article.

@Ezz2013: you didn't expect what? Me to show the evolution of a game in nine months of development? Weird, because it's not the first time I do it, and not the first time people completely misrepresent it in order to flame over it.

Next time don't put flamebait titles, so it won't be misinterpreted as such. Instead of radical differences put big lighting changes or infamous ss added some night and day details on previous footages, etc. You kind a get my drift, because this game is touted to be a system seller(I for one believe it is), so you cant blame gamers to be a little touchy on the subject matter.

Well, I played it last night. The cutscenes look outstanding, but the actual gameplay has suffered a bit. Characters don't really cast shadows any more, and the lighting appears quite flat (probably due to absence of self-shadowing or ambient occlusion). It still looks great, and even reaches ~60FPS at times, but to say that it hasn't been downgraded in any way is definitely a tad dishonest. The devs themselves even said they had to make some sacrifices, particularly with shadowing, so I don't know why everyone is getting so defensive. They figured the particle effects were more important to the game's aesthetic than most other elements. It still looks beautiful, just not AS beautiful as it might have with more time or slightly stronger hardware.

pffft "time of day is different" and dualshockers were being polite with "differences"= excuses for downgrade. Seriously Im sure infamous SS is still going to be a great game but looking at those pics compared to E3 it's an OBVIOUS downgrade in graphics. It is what it is and infamous SS still looks great, heck of alot better than DR3 which is my favorite next gen game but it has been downgraded without a doubt, ironicly some supposedly can see the minor differences in games like BF4 on X1 and ps4 but they can't see a obvious downgrade here, not to worry though infamous is still a beautiful open world game I just think it's BS that Watch Dogs was heavily criticized but this game get a pass.

@arika: "difference" is a completely neutral term. It's not positive or negative. "radical" is also completely neutral.

I'm not exactly sure where you see the "flamebait."

The only correct thing you've said is that people are way too touchy.

@Abriael

here's the thing
any one would see your article and the first thing that come to their mind that this is either downgrade or upgrade article
and as you can see xbox fanboys wasted no time declare that the game is downgraded even though any one with a working brain would know it just a different time in the day
also those pics look really bad quality wise
are they taken from youtube video ?!

you should have picked a better headline than this

@Abriael
After the watchdogs fiasco about downgrade in graphics and after seeing your headline of your article what do you think people will say? See. And radical is kind of a strong word to use. Just say added night and day cycle or something.

@4Sh0w

Yh so obvious because it is indeed a different time of day with sun clearly not as visible due to the clouds.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

http://www.dailymotion.com/...

In the new video it is clear like they said with more direct lighting you will get your dynamic shadows which you can see from around 7:60. Look at the rocks shadows are present just like they were in E3.

So please show where this *MASSIVE DOWNGRADE* comes from when the only real differences is the shadows around their faces .

@Ezz2013: the quality of the picture doesn't change the lighting, which is the point of the comparison.

If people are looking with a lens for any chance to flamebait, warping a completely neutral article and headline into a negative one, joke's on them. Time to be less touchy, because it's getting ridiculous.

@arika: radical is a strong word, but it's not strongly negative or strongly positive. The change is radical, because the original lighting *was* radical. The new one isn't, which is probably on purpose because the original lighting effectively hid expressions, as the pictures clearly show.

As a matter of fact, I believe it's an artistic choice, and while it's aesthetics are subjective, I completely agree with it from a storytelling point of view.

If people can't understand that, I can't help them.

@Newmonday: so I should skip reporting on the facts because Trolls don't care about them?

@Arika Below: you know better than me that people that want to troll would have found the chance to whatever the headline was.

The matter isn't that the headline is a problem. The matter is that people are way too eager to jump on everything because nowadays they NEED a smoking gun against the other console, whatever that console is, and that's stifling.

Whoa, that is some major changes from last year to the final game. What is going on here?

@Abriael

i'm not talking about the lighting that's normal because it show different time in the day

i'm talking about the pics it self
is it coming from youtube video because it look really bad

@abriael
But you see because of your headline some trolling people are making it a negative issue. My point exactly. Just choose a better headline next time ok. Im sure downplaying or downgrading infamous ss wasnt your intention, but this is n4g and you know there is a lot of spinning happening here from both side of the camp. Ok.

@Abriael

I know the screenshots are from bad compressed sources so I knew to ignore the blur and bad resolution quality and talked about the constant which is lighting.

but the trolls don't care about facts, you see from some comments here they wasted no time.

Shadows took a bit of a hit but that's about it the rest looks about the same. And I didn't see any jaggies at all from last nights footage so...

for those that didn't get a chance to download the vid last night. enjoy. :)
http://thepiratebay.se/torr...

It almost looks like a time of day + filter is all that's changed. Shadows aren't as harsh (ToD), and there's a bit of an orange overlay (could be a filter or the light of the early morning sun). Doesn't look worse, that's for sure. This isn't another Watch Dogs fiasco, thank the Punch.

The difference is the time of day. Stop it your reaching.

lol

And once again, as usual, the PS4 is being treated like the red headed step child of the game industry. So eager to paint greatness with the same brush as the Bone and Wii U that we have to make these stupid articles, constantly, every f-ing time so that certain gamers can feel good about their purchase of inferior hardware at ridiculous prices. ENOUGH!

@irishguy
you chance to shine with one bubble and you jus made yourself look silly lmao. Sorry try again next time

Bad attempt at trolling irish. Try harder next time.

i dont see the problem with the title, cause apart from the time of the day i can see a "radical" change in environment and background.
the title fits well in this case, doesn't always have to be about graphics.
Remember Cole from Infamous 2 and the design change after? that's a radical change regardless of graphical quality.

@Abriael
"so I should skip reporting on the facts because Trolls don't care about them?"

you should make the FULL facts clear from the beginning, like how the bad video quality adds blur and makes the textures seem worse.

you usually do good work, don't take this as hate, it's constructive criticism.

just let it go this time, do a few other good articles and people will forget about this.

@Kayant

bro I'm not referring to lighting as Abriael said below:
"Abriael  +&am p;#1 60;  3h ago

Too bad all the pictures in the comparison come from Youtube. From the first to the last." 

The source of both the E3 2013 pics AND the recent build are BOTH Youtube. Look at the pics:

http://cdn.dualshockers.com...
http://cdn2.dualshockers.co...

There is is an obvious downgrade in the textures in his jacket and the overall quality of the environments. You know it's a downgrade when half the comments here are trying to blame it on YouTube compression, which is basicly an admission that it doesn't look as good as E3 and the other half are saying it's because of "time of day lighting", but how does any of that change texture detail, which is outstanding for a open world game in the E3 pics????

You know what I don't care the over analyzing games has become ridiculous, INFAMOUS SS STILL LOOKS LIKE AN AWESOME GAME and if the devs had to scale back a bit to make sure it PLAYS WELL then that's what's important, THE ONLY POINT I have is I think it's BS that just last week Watch Dogs got ripped apart for the exact same thing, now it's OK as long as you throw in a poor excuse.

@irish

A massive dive guy? really? Talk about exaggerating. Also, thee 1st shot is 1080p vs 720p on the 2nd shot from a compressed video. The biggest difference is the time of day lighting and some minor differences. You wanna talk about a massive difference, lets talk about how all the X1 games looked at E3 when they were all running at 1080p and the final products most of which are 720p. And now suddenly graphics matter again to the MS fanboys. Why?

@lifeisagame
"Radical difference"
They should have just said "downgrade"

You mean like with every X1 game thus far, but you dont have a problem with that, that you actually defend. Typical fanboy.

@4Sh0w
"it's an OBVIOUS downgrade in graphics"
No its not, its an obvious time of day lighting change. I'll admit that i like the old lighting better but I love how hard you fanboys are trying to put this down, shall i use some of the MS fanboys logic here, youse must be jealous, lol.

You are 100% correct Irishguy95, you have made the kids that worship at the alter of the single console cry. They really do not want to accept that we have all been sold a lie and that these consoles are underpower to say they need to last 5+ years.

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

Will watchdogs and Second son be good games, yes have they been downgraded absolutely.

o look, arguably the biggest xbot troll boy smashing a playstation exclusive to shreds. wow, i'm so so so so sooooooooooooo suprised. Listen here, no matter how much you rant, rave and bring this game down it's still going to be fantastic and the graphics will be stunning. You aren't even going to purchase this game, you don't have an interest in it AND you haven't played it

keep your troll comments to yourself

WOW what a downgrade. WTF is going on with this 'next gen'eration. I'm not liking this trend one bit.

At this rate, devs are going to get terrified to show us in-progress builds.

Yes, it does seem that some aspects are less detailed. However, what jumps out most is the lighting seems to be much less contrast-y.

At the end of the day, this is an extremely good looking early-in-the-gen game. What else matters? Should they have stood at the podium at E3 and explained that "these are target renders...depending how things go some details may or may not make it into the final build." What a showstopper!

Oh look its Irishguy spreading misinformation again. You just couldn't wait huh?

I normally could care less about PS4 news but I had to say that I can't believe folks think it's only the lighting. Looks like PS3 vs PS4. Textures, lighting, texture resolution, poly count, shadowing are surprisingly worse. Not surprised with Sony having a history of tricking gamers over the capability of their consoles. Being on youtube isn't hiding the current I.S.S true visuals, it's hiding how deep the difference really is between the E3 and current build.

What a waste of air you are.

I bet you thought after reading the addendum at the bottom, thats the bit in pink, you thought I know I will still act like a little boy and put something really baby like.

Wow I bet you even p*ssed yourself a little as you typed away that trash.

what a waste

Nice try kiddo with 2 set of resolution image and called it a massive dive in graphics, who's you trying to fool here lol

Have you seen the game now? It's streaming online and does not look downgraded at all.

He does look better with the lower quality. he doesn't body as mean.

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O_O

This site is PRO SONY

LMAO!

"Lied" would seem like the perfect word to use, especially since Guerrilla actually owned up to admitting the trailer was bs around KZ3's release.

http://www.destructoid.com/...

Edit: Wasn't that close to KZ3's release. Sorry.

Are you saying downgrades are acceptable. When I am shown a product, I expect it to be exactly the same.

To be perfectly honest, it seems like you knew exactly what you were doing, and the outcome that would accompany, when you wrote that headline. My viewpoint is only solidified in regards to how defensive YOU'VE been in here.

If you want to be treated like a professional author, be professional about it. You went on the attack because the "fanboys" when to town with the headline (and with posters like IrishGuy being someone who generally does just what he did in a Sony topic, it's no surprise you're getting the backlash that you are).

I'd suggest in the future, try conducting yourself with a little more humility.

Well at least it's nice to see people finally noticing the difference between 1080p and 720p... thought "you couldn't tell"

and then there is the fact that it is compressed 720p.

@mkis
Only idiots and fanboys can't tell the difference beteween 1080 and 720.

What's much more pathetic are the people who think it makes or breaks a game.

the creator of this article is to be blamed for all this confusion. He's just getting a boat load of hits to his article by comparing direct feed high res images to badly compressed youtube feeds. those of you who haven't seen check out the video from which the screenshots were captured. the bloody thing was full of compression artifacts.

Abriel is right, he meant the lightining and enviroments only.

You obviously don't know how YouTube looks.

Of course the one from Sony looks better, the video file was most like 10GB, it looks better than 50MB being compressed.

*sigh*

Abriael
You Have just drop The ball with your Clearly Flamebait article. Even noobs know that youtube video quality is unreliable. You can watch a video on one YouTube channel . They watch the same video on a different youtube channel and the video can look completely different in quality. I routinely look for the best Quality of resolution of the same video on YouTube Have you not done the same. Your argument that they both come from YouTube is irrelevant and don't hold water. Because video quality varies from channel to channel on YouTube. The video could be duplicated or copy many times Before it was put on YouTube or human era in recording the video can also damage the quality of the video. We all remember Digital foundry fiasco With the youtube video quality of Battlefield 4 . The x1 Battlefield 4 youtube look better than the PS4's Battlefield 4 youtube . Because of human era made by Digital foundry. When the Direct feed video was released by Digital Foundry The PS4 version was far superior to X1. The only way to receive reliable quality video is By downloading of direct feed video. You should know that youtube is compress video an unreliable.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Digital Foundry Admits To Botching Battlefield 4 PS4/XB1 Video ... http://m.neogaf.com/showthr...

compression makes everything blurry. therefore the shadows will appear blurry. Downscaling ALSO makes images blurry. Time of Day ALSO needs to be considered. SP has already stated it has a dynamic time of day. Shadows are fewer and less harsh during sunset which is CLEARlY what your shots are.

Why the heck you wouldnt use DIRECT FEED comparisons is absolute flamebait for those who know nothing about how compression and resolutions work.

in short?
YES compression and resolution will effect the differences.Same with TOD

Im in school for film and have done many videos for pay. I work with resolutions and seeing the differences compression has is astonishing. for example...Going from RAW video and converting it to h.264 for transferring causes massive loss in everything

@Abriael

I am usually a supporter of dualshockers (your not a bad website). But whatever your trying to compare here (which doesn't matter) using youtube shots is a terrible and very amateurish thing to do