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Xbox One's eSRAM Is 'Cumbersome, Bottlenecking Memory' - Developer

"It's no secret that Xbox One's eSRAM is the culprit behind the console's inability to output 1080p [with full effects on] on certain multiplatform games."

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megazero124471d ago

not sure why this being posted, when the insider(famousmort) himself said the source he got it from has been wrong in the past.

gameseveryday4471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

"Same guy who told me that parties were a mess before the launch" He is saying his source has been correct in the past.

lolCHILLbro4471d ago

Maybe Xbox One was designed to be online and to be more dependant on the cloud? maybe?

FlunkinMonkey4471d ago

The Xbone One is much more dependent on ill-informed consumers, and a gullible fan base.

pedrof934471d ago

This is a nice comment on Esram though a devs eyes ( a bit biased i have to say) :

http://thecrazyfanboy.blogs...

MysticStrummer4471d ago

"Maybe Xbox One was designed to be online and to be more dependant on the cloud? maybe?"

That would make the design even more ill conceived, given the realities of the world's average internet connection, so as a MS fan you should hope not.

mcstorm4471d ago

We all know the Xbox one is not as powerful or as easy to develop for as the ps4 and we knew it was the same the other way round last gen but what dose my head in is the excuses developers etc keep coming out any saying x is harder to develop for than y. Its your job to create games software etc and are given the tools to develop your games. If you are finding it hard EDT then try and find a better way to do it or stop developing games for that console and find a different job.

We all come across issues in our jobs and all find ways around them we don't sit there moaning or the people that do are the ones in the wrong job.

ProjectVulcan4471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

Fact is faster system memory is the better solution.

eSRAM only exists inside Xbox One because it doesn't have faster main memory.

eSRAM is a patch fix for a problem Microsoft created by choosing DDR3 memory, NOT the initial ideal engineering solution- which was always just using the fastest memory you could.

eSRAM was only ever going to be a point of limitation, not a strength of the machine when it's competitor uses a much better engineering solution- fast GDDR5.

eSRAM takes up massive amounts of valuable space on the APU die, which explains why Xbox One has a smaller, slower GPU.

Sony/AMD basically nailed the design for the die size budget, all by going with faster memory. PS4's APU is actually SMALLER and cheaper than Xbox One's, but the system is still quite a ways faster.

This is a major illustration of the impact of early design choices by Microsoft to focus on building an all in one box.

badz1494471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

@mcstorm

"We all know the Xbox one is not as powerful or as easy to develop for as the ps4 and we knew it was the same the other way round last gen..."

you're way off on that! the XbOne is NOT hard to develop for as its just like the PS4, has the x86 design, which makes it basically a pc but locked down. devs are already able to do what they want on the thing BUT the thing is, it's hard to make it perform ON PAR with the PS4! it has a weaker GPU and to make things worst a slower RAM not catered towards graphics.

eSRAM is there to THEORETICALLY boost the performance a bit by providing a little amount of high bandwidth to speed things up BUT 32MB is waaay too small to make up for the difference between DDR3 and GDDR5! had MS put more like double or quadruple of what it has now, the XbOne might be performing better but how much more will it cost?

DDR3 is excellent for general purpose use and multitasking thus the XbOne has the snap feature, which I heard works great and are running 3 different OS. it's just that it's no where near as good for gaming compared to GDDR5 which is already a standard in modern GPU nowadays. that's why for pc or laptop, integrated GPU provided by the CPU is never gonna run games as good as having a dedicated GPU.

"Its your job to create games software etc and are given the tools to develop your games. If you are finding it hard EDT then try and find a better way to do it or stop developing games for that console and find a different job."

WOW, not so long ago PS3 gamers were lambasted for saying similar things while devs were proven greatly ignoring the true potential of the CELL unlike how Sony's 1st parties were doing it. but now, you're blaming the devs for an inferior hardware? no amount of effort can be done to suddenly make the XbOne more powerful than the PS4, you know!

Pogmathoin4471d ago

The Xbone One is much more dependent on ill-informed consumers, and a gullible fan base.

Yes, the best of Fanboyism..... It has nothing to do with games and simple personal preference... You like Civic, I like Corolla, does that make the other half stupid dumb people?

FlunkinMonkey4471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

"Yes, the best of Fanboyism..... It has nothing to do with games and simple personal preference... You like Civic, I like Corolla, does that make the other half stupid dumb people?"

Well, what can I say, Mr One Bubble.... I'm sorry if my opinion of a businesses mode of conduct offends your sensitive soul.. get over it.

Many companies have good products (which funnily enough, I don't think MS have with the XBone), but it doesn't mean i respect their business practice.

Bad product (inferior hardware, gimmicky).
Bad consumer treatment.
Bad history of faulty hardware (360).
Bad history of longevity within their product (360)
Bad pricing.
Bad PR.

If this makes me a 'fanboy' then so be it. Maybe you should look at things a little more objectively.

wooferine4471d ago

@vulcanproject. Well said!

bennissimo4470d ago

@FlunkinMonkey:

I'd say that his "one bubble" opinion has less of a chance to be biased by the pro-Sony trollfest that this site has become.

Thus, is his opinion better than yours.

assdan4470d ago

@lolchillbro. That couldn't possibly be right, because cloud technology like that DOESN'T WORK YET! Nvidia has spoke about it, and said how unusable cloud processing is at this point in time.

cozomel4470d ago

@benissimo

his opinion puts your pathetic fanboy opinion to shame

UltimateMaster4470d ago

They placed that part at the very last minute.
They saw how much more powerful the GDDR5 was on the PS4 so they decided to add this chip to compensate the slower speed to the RAM.
With little time (4 months) between E3 and the production, they didn't do proper testing. Or at least that's my theory.
It was added at the last minute.

u got owned4470d ago

So many programers and Engineer in N4g. Im impressed.

frostypants4470d ago (Edited 4470d ago )

@pogmathoin: "It has nothing to do with games and simple personal preference... You like Civic, I like Corolla,"

Fair enough, but in this case it's more like you have a Corolla and the other guy has a Tesla Model S. Only you're trying to convince people that the Corolla is comparable. And for some reason, in this twisted reality, the Corolla costs 25% more.

jden284470d ago

This whole PS4 > Xbox One argument is going to look rather silly a year from now and the longer this generation goes on. This is because we all do the same thing every time a new batch of consoles come out. We run out get the consoles and rush to compare whole systems based on a few bullet point numbers. Last generation we ran out and compared the PS3 to X360 that first year and declared the PS3 inferior to the X360 because the x360 had a better gfx chip and a good enough cpu that it didn't matter...Even after John Carmack warned us and said it wasn't inferior it was just a pain in the arse and most developers wouldn't take the time to utilize it's power...We all know how that turned out....Those developers willing to be inconvenienced and do the hard cumbersome work and figure out the cell cpu made games like the last of us, uncharted, killzone...etc So he once again came out this generation and said that the xbox one is NOT inferior to the PS4, but here we go again... as if we didn't learn the first time...How many of us on here really know what goes into programming a game or building custom soc chips...? Who on here knew that the audio in your game uses 7-13% of your system resources? Who knew that 8 of the 15 co-processors on the xbox one were dedicated to audio so the cpu never takes a hit. Who on here paid attention to the break downs and comparisons of the cpu and knows that the Xbox One cpu is HIGHLY customized with more cache, faster clock setting and dual access to both main ram and esram simultaneously, who on here paid attention to the move engine co-processors and the fact that NO games so far have used them...Who here knew that there functions are similar to the spu's on the PS3 except each move engine is capable of doing 4 times the work load of a single spu... so effectively the XBOX One has the equivalent of 16 spu's that have never been used to this point...and before we say it's all about the gpu....Sony already proved that wrong last time with the cell... I'm more likely to trust John Carmack on this one I think in a year or so this resolution gate won't be the discussion we'll be having.

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Eonjay4471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

With all due respect, many different developers have corroborated the same thing, including the developers of Sniper Elite 3 as this article states. I think its safe to suggest even though developers are familar with ESRam, they are having problems optimizing its advantages because of its fairly small size.

I think the best looking Xbox One games will be ones developed with engines that are built from the ground up with 32MB in mind.

1OddWorld4471d ago

Question here

Why doesn't Microsoft just increase the size of the esram?

Eonjay4471d ago

@1Oddworld

Because its a physical chip on the board (so it will always be 32Mb to be BC will other Xbox Ones) and its freaking enormous. Its only purpose is to be reduce the bottleneck of DDR3.

Infamous2984471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

Microsoft thought that the ESRAM will reduce the gap between the ps4 and xbox one but instead it bottlenecked the xbox one.

Kayant4471d ago

"I think its safe to suggest even though developers are familar with ESRam" - Exactly you only need to read this ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... and http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
to see that developers are already familiar with using embedded memory if they worked on X360. In fact MS said it themselves that it's an evloution of the concept from X360---> http://gearnuke.com/microso...

It will be interesting to see if any of the hearsay about titled resources will come to past because so far it hasn't but we shall see when MS shows off more excluvises ---> http://n4g.com/news/1461378...

FamilyGuy4471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

Whatever happened to tiled rendering?
I thought that was suppose to fix/alleviate this problem? They made such a big deal about it like it was going to make X1 better than PS4 somehow.

Where is it now?

Someone at MS had to of seen this bootleneck coming, the new upscaling tech they tossed in to the X1 is testament to that. Did they really just think that consumers wouldn't care or notice?

So much arrogance in the planning of this console.

adorie4471d ago

For the peeps who are interested in "tiled resources" https://www.opengl.org/disc...

jmac534471d ago

@familyguy You will notice that Microsoft uses a lot of buzz words to fool the populace. The Cloud being used to make game look better, Tiled Rendering, "always connected". The list goes on.

dantesparda4471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

People, tiled resources isnt anything special, its already been done in games. Rage uses megatextures, which is what tiled resources basically is. Its not new, its just MS is going to actually implement it into DX11.2, so they hyped it to make it sound like its something special, but its not. Its been around for a while, AMD processors been had an extension for it, and NV also has it implemented into CUDA (since 4.0). Only ignorant fanboys think its this special ability. Both can do it

Evilsnuggle4471d ago

I have similar question why did Microsoft put the 32MB of Esram on the APU. Microsoft could have Put the Esram anywhere on the motherboard also could have triple or quadruple the size of Esram. Why no the APU the x1 would be able to have more GPU cores.

jmc88884471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

The problem with building up from the ground an engine with 32mb's of ESRAM in mind is...it's not going to be deferred rendered, and forget about next-gen quality.

That's the biggest issue. Because 32 mb's isn't enough even now, when they start pushing out 60-90 mb's worth of framebuffer, the 32 mb limitation is only going to be far worse then what we see today.

I do see them as using tiled resources at some point to help, but it won't help as much as some people think, and when it's busy helping memory bandwidth, remember it is sucking up performance that could be used elsewhere.

So given the quality, if that quality of the graphics and resolution stays the same for the next year or two, the utilization of ESRAM will improve with tiled resources, perhaps so even some of these launch games could of maybe hit 900p instead of 720, and perhaps even 1080.

But again then comes the bigger, more complex stuff a year or two after that and the rest of the generation. Even tiled resources won't make 32mb's work fine with a 65 mb framebuffer or 95 mb's. At that point even with tiled resources working perfectly, such size would render the ESRAM back to being a big bottleneck. Not just a big bottleneck, but even BIGGER then it is currently now at launch.

Even with tiled resources, if Microsoft wants to maintain an equal base level of graphics with Sony, then they will have to keep dropping the resolution, and we could easily see 600p XB1 vs 900p PS4 games towards the end of the generation.

Also this whole situation ESRAM/tiled resources all bring up new opportunities for bugs. I for one had an ATI 5850 when RAGE came out. That streaming texture bug was CRAP. You'd turn around with the right thumbstick and everything would be blurry, especially at the edges, until the graphics popped back in a second later. But this happened constantly, wherever you were, all the time. It really sucked. Luckily I later got a GTX 670 and went back and beat the game.

So with tiled resources,you could end up with something like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

I wouldn't wish this on anyone...and yes this would be another massive reason to buy Microsoft's competitor.

ProjectVulcan4471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

Simple Evilsnuggle, cost.

If you place the eSRAM on a separate die, then it defeats the entire point of using an APU design.

APU design was chosen because it is cheaper and simpler as all the main processing components are integrated on one single chip. It reduces the cost of having multiple large processors, the motherboard design is simpler, the power consumption is lower, so cooling requirements are lower, simplifies the component supply chain and such.

If you are going to add another major chip to the design, you may as well just go with separate CPU/GPU dies.

But both PS4 and Xbox One had to focus on cost effectiveness, after Xbox 360 and PS3 hardware was very expensive for them to manufacture for so long, and lost them so much money.

Microsoft and Sony then were gonna build an SoC, everything on one chip because of the advantages outlined above.

The size of that chip was mostly defined by the cost, it could fit maybe 5bn transistors on it, that was the budget. Anything much bigger was just too difficult and expensive to manufacture on such a huge scale required to build millions of machines in just a few months.

Sony's design didn't require any eSRAM on the APU, Microsoft's choice of slow system memory forced it, so a large portion of their APU is taken up by eSRAM.

In PS4, that area was used for extra GPU components.

Wizard_King4470d ago

@jmc8888

To get Rage working properly all you needed to do was apply the update, you didn't need to upgrade your GPU just for Rage to work.

We all had the same thing regardless of the GPU used, Rage was just a poorly optimized mess at launch and AMD/nVidia took about a month to get on it.

frostypants4470d ago

@FamilyGuy: Tiled rendering is more of a means of limiting the effects of the bottleneck than a true solution.

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nukeitall4471d ago

when it comes down to it, everything is 'cumbersome' or limited in some way.

The GPU, CPU, the hard drive and everything about a computer is 'cumbersone', limited and bottlenecked in some way.

Eonjay4471d ago

Cumbersome, I believe in context to ESRam, refers to the memory management needed to maximize ESRam. They have to be creative about how they manage their assets in memory. Some believe that tiled resources will help alleviate this.

aerisbueller4471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

Not really. You can find something wrong with anything, true, but developers are repeatedly finding something wrong with it, without trying.

@EonJay, the only thing about tiled resources, though it might help, it would provide benefits on both platforms, so it would also increase the performance gap between the two as well.

Ginesis4471d ago

@aerisbueller although you're right that both can essentially do it, it's DirectX that makes it a big difference of what Microsoft can do compared to Sony.

dantesparda4470d ago (Edited 4470d ago )

@Ginesis

DirectX is not a plus for MS when it comes to the X1, its a minus, its slow and unoptimized, look it up, why do you think AMD just came out with Mantle and Valve with SteamOS? Becuase they'll tell you DX sucks for getting the most performance out of your hardware

frostypants4470d ago

Some have worse bottlenecks than others. Thus here we are...

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BallsEye4471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

an anonymous developer of unknown game tells an insider that's been wrong million times. Yep, that's n4g, rumors for the gamers straight out of horses ars. Whatever make the fanboys feel secure.

DoesUs4471d ago

I'll lay it out for you. Its cumbersome, it's not rocket science. Take your goggles off, the pudding is all around you. Its a horrible situation for devs to work through.

MysticStrummer4471d ago

A million times? Let's see some documentation, sir. Seeing the clear differences between multi plats is all fanboys need to feel secure.

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Hyper_Tension1404471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

@tiremfej

Fog....what fog I dont get what your saying?

Ive notice that all ps4 games look more closer to the pc version than anything else.(Go to eurogamer.net to see)

Xbox One versions always look darker to hide the inferior details, and is not how the game is supposed to look.

EDIT:I read your comment history, you sound like MisterX lol.

Prime1574471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

It's not rumors, it's technology and understanding the integration of software and hardware... ALL software and ALL hardware.

People like at digital foundry, Tom's hardware, and other non-affiliates to Microsoft who sit down and put calculated measurements in a controlled environment to find out if this stuff Is really working.

The difference between people who follow the different technology (creating and experimenting in benchmarks) and YOU is that you just buy into the PR unquestioningly.

Another example is the cloud. As it stands the cloud is just dedicated servers. It has yet to prove itself outside of that.

I'm not saying there couldn't be growth in either the esram or the cloud, but that seems to not the case so far. And based off of benchmarking and the commonalities of the x86 architecture, we do assume it could be that way all generation.

God, this pr talk reminds me of the d3d campaign days.

dantesparda4470d ago

Guys dont waste your time woth these two, one is a bitter old MS fanboy (Ballsye)

And the other one a miserable phuck, who is just a insane fanboy (tiremfej)

Both bitter fanboys cuz they know their system is a let down

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rafaman4471d ago

I love graphics, but games are the most important thing to me. If I owned a play 4 now, I would be unhappy because of the lack of good games for my taste. I am a coop lover and Sony was never good at that.

But I admit that exclusive games are just a tiny fraction of the overall games on a console. So, in the future, if Microsoft don't find a solution, I am going for PlayStation. The problem is that my friends own a Xbox one too and Sony community, based on gaf and here, are too fanatics and that I dislike

zeee4471d ago

So because of some fanboys out there you'd rather game on an inferior machine ( that's also more expensive)? Yea that makes perfect sense. /s

MysticStrummer4471d ago

I'd say the combo of denial and cloud power fantasies from MS fans makes them seem more fanatical, and your statement that Sony was never good at co-op fits right in with that group. PS3 provided me and my friends with fantastic co-op for it's entire lifespan, starting with Resistance: Fall of Man.

Whiskeyjacked874471d ago

So your just a sheep following a flock? If you know the PS4 is stronger why not lead the flock to better grazing?

iceman064471d ago

To a co-op lover, I would say that either you haven't looked close enough or just don't know enough about what Playstation has to say it lacks those games. In fact, aside from the MS exclusives (which I can't find your co-op tastes in), Sony would now be offering a more optimized version of each and every multiplat.
As for the community, the internet is NOT the real world!!! If it was, there would be riots in the streets over the somewhat trivial and minute aspects of the games industry.

Prime1574471d ago

Not sure I agree with that. Coop can be pretty ambiguous, split screen? Offline multiplayer? Online coop campaign? Online stand alone campaign? Online multiplayer?

I like to play games with my friends too, sometimes coop campaigns, sometimes MMOs, sometimes BF4 or the likes.

Your generalization, however, is ignorant both about the games and the fact that the Sony playerbase is too fanatical. There are fanatics on both sides.

N4G doesn't stand for the trolls, so they have a few bubbles to spend, ON BOTH sides (Sony examples: Miku and UchihaSasuke - Xbox Examples: Truefan1, Ballseye). Some people get too caught up on disagrees and throw a fuss and lose bubbles then hate the whole community and brand it as out to get them. When you're a fanyboy, and a whole community is out to get you, that whole community becomes fanboys of which you don't like.

You can like Xbox, Wii, Playstation, or PC, or you can like any combination. Sometimes one's hatred for Microsoft gets them lumped in as a Sony Fanboy.

Personally, I primarily game on PC, then PS3/4, then Wii. I own a 360 and have played many exclusives on it, but I don't care much for Microsoft's practices, so I usually dance around that company when I can. Unfortunately, that makes xbox fanboys immediately jump on me for being a Sony Fanboy, and quite frankly, I find that to be more disgusting and rude than some of the Sony fanboys on this site who are just annoying.

DigitalRaptor4470d ago

The whole "Sony isn't good at co-op" holds about as much water as the unfounded "PSN is awful" that we STILL hear about.

Get educated or continue to be treated as an ignorant person does.

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mcarsehat4471d ago

I'm getting sick of going on this site to find the same news getting so much heat. I seen an article just like this calling the esram a bottleneck last week and the week before and the week before...

SourShoes4471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

It's not going to change anytime soon. If you're so sensitive, find another site.

Stop being a f**king choir boy. A CHOIR BOY!!!

mcarsehat4471d ago

The question that should be asked is: Why can't this site change itself for sensitive nellies like me?

tiremfej4471d ago

It should change. Delusion is a bad thing.

cozomel4470d ago

Then go to a MS fnaboy site, so you can feel better, and they can pump your head up with bs, like misterx site, sure you'll love it there

And to tiremfj, you're the delusional one here, but oh yeah, you wouldnt know that, cuz youre delusional, rabid fanboy.

mcarsehat4470d ago

i think the reaction to my comment is hilarious, not once did i say i was interested in the xbox one. i actually own both consoles and go on the ps4 more than the xbox because i have bf4 on it.

what part of my comment indicated that i didn't like the xbox abuse?

what part of my comment showed any hatred towards sony or the PlayStation community?

or are people looking for an argument out of nothing, simply because i don't like the same news stories published week after week. ESRAM is a bottleneck - THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN COVERED GET SOME ACTUAL NEW-S!! be it sony positive or xbox positive, i do not care as long as i haven't heard it before. everyone who disagreed to me and commented negatively back is a fanboy (you may not think so, but you are) and fanboys are bad for the industry.

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Visiblemarc4471d ago

This is really a case of it not mattering who said it.

This stuff is self-evident. No one, outside of casual observers, thinks the memory system of the One is ideal.

All this is, is a venting dev being quoted anonymously- what's being said is beyond believable.

This stuff isn't personal. It's just the way it is. Good games will still come out for it, but they will be irritating to develop...and probably sub 1080/900.

ITPython4470d ago

At this point MS should be seriously considering releasing an Xbox One Professional Edition.

They could drop the Kinect, the cable tuner, HDMI pass-through and anything else non-gaming related and then beef up the console as a gaming-centered platform (like the PS4).

They could make it backwards compatible to play XB1 games but at a higher res and frame-rate, either comparable to the PS4 or better. And with all the unneeded things gone they could offer it at $500 or less (if it was $500, they would need to make it more powerful than the PS4 to justify the price).

They need to do something drastic, otherwise in as little as a few years the Xbox brand could be done for.

Sy_Wolf4470d ago

That's not how it works.

DoubleM704470d ago

Nah dude I posted an article from Giantbomb explaining the Esram.

The Devs on here are a trip

http://www.giantbomb.com/xb...

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imt5584471d ago

Well, where is 100 MB of eSRAM according to MisterXmedia?

My_precious4471d ago

maybe da cloud? but seemlike MS still have a trouble to get the meat ball out of this mysterious thing

imt5584471d ago

Yes, i know that 100 MB of eSRAM is in da cloud.

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mkis0074471d ago

Guy has such an annoying vocabulary.

devwan4471d ago

Not sure which is scarier, the old posts or the blog.

wenaldy4471d ago

He's also under the name of elegantspock

http://n4g.com/user/home/el...

Just beware.

DoesUs4471d ago

He is also iMad on here.

DreadGara4471d ago

MisterX is a good example of a LIVE troll.

SourShoes4471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

Most recently, he uses ElegantSpock.

ElegantSpock's syntax is an exact match to his website.

I find his propaganda entertaining and encourage him to keep posting.

GribbleGrunger4471d ago

So imad is MisterX? Nice find, sir.

tiremfej4471d ago

The funny thing is, it is a great site with good conversation. You don't have to deal with this one sided bullshit. Only problem you have with it is it isn't a PS4 site.

Foxhound9224471d ago

Either this guy is the biggest idiot in the world, or a trolling hoax genius. Either way, he sounds like a 12 year old that needs some serious practice in spelling and grammar.

static52454471d ago

Might want to see if tiremfej is another MisterX profiles..

I go on MisterX's site here and there just to laugh. But the guy literally has no idea what he's talking about.

He even came out and said himself that his "insider" is just him making things up. And LiveJournal?? Really? Maybe it's a cult lol

Wizard_King4470d ago (Edited 4470d ago )

Does his computer not have spell check or something?

Seriously people, grammar and English is important if you want people to take you seriously.

No on takes kids seriously, learn to fucking spell and use appropriate punctuation.

Everyone one of his accounts, blogs and sites are so very clearly miss informed lies to generate flame for the troll fire.

next...

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SourShoes4471d ago

It's stacked; layers of 32 Mb chips...not just one. He has proof!
http://misterxmedia.livejou...

What a douche bag!

LoydX-mas4471d ago

So please explain exactly what those photos show then. I looked at your link and it sure seems to me that there is another chip under the main SOC. One is labeled A12 40 and A12 41.

static52454471d ago

Yeah but he shows no proof that these pictures were taken from a Xbox1. All this guys is throw pictures and images and conspiracy theories with literally nothing to back it up

T24470d ago

The guys blog I'm convinced is actually a sony pr guy showing the world how clueless and fanatic fanboys can be.. That is really more reasonable than to believe there are people wandering around with that lack of intelligence. The blog does more harm to xbox image than outright bashing could ever do

LoydX-mas4470d ago (Edited 4470d ago )

@static
I checked and the photo is from Chipworks website. I guess they are part of a conspiracy too? I know it may be hard to believe, but that photo alone shows MORE than one layer to the Main SOC on the Xone.

http://www.chipworks.com/co...

http://www.chipworks.com/en...

Here is another example of chip stacking from the Kinect teardown on Chipworks site:

http://www.chipworks.com/co...

Tatsuya 4470d ago

@LoydX-mas:

So, you're the new MisterX huh? Stop being an idiot. Devs has spoken a lot about the GPU and the ESram inside the Xbone. It is shit. Stop dreaming about Xbone being more powerful. There is only one greatest console of this Gen and it's the PS4 :)

LoydX-mas4470d ago

@Valentinus,

Thankyou for that intellectual response. How typical.

I made no assertion that the Xbox one is more powerful in any way. All my comments on this were for someone here to explain what the photos were.

Please go enjoy the PS4 if you wish. I personally haven't purchased either of the new systems, but so many here make it hard to even have a conversation without resorting to insults.

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lolCHILLbro4471d ago

ESRAM will be better used by devs as time goes on, PS4 is a nice piece of hardware non the less but neither console will run games in 1080p 4 years from now as games get more complex, Xbox should get better though

Eonjay4471d ago

That could go either way. Both will hit 1080p. It will then be up to developers to keep pushing better simulations. Neither is close to their peak yet. GTA 5 and TLOU should give us all hope about what true potentials.

nukeitall4471d ago

that is because resolution isn't as important as artwork to "good" graphics.

right now it is just fangirls and people latching onto easy things to compare too. No amount of graphics will give you Titanfalls without MS and the cloud.

Point being, the most anticipated game so far and likely for the year says screw resolution, and so did CoD and went on to be the greatest game with CoD4: MW.

Utalkin2me4471d ago

Lay of the juice nuketail

chrisarsenalsavart4471d ago (Edited 4471d ago )

??????????????????

chrisarsenalsavart4471d ago

No amount of graphics give you titanfalls
What about the amount of cash?
U re the one living on a cloud NUKEITAll

thekhurg4471d ago

The cloud does jackshit for titanfall.

MysticStrummer4471d ago

Wow… still with the cloud fantasy.

See, this is exactly the kind of thing I referred to in my comment above.

They say PS fans are fanatical...

NeloAnjelo4471d ago

Keep dreaming... if it makes you feel better

Ol_Boy4471d ago

The cloud... that mythical place all X1 dudebro cult fanatics dream of one day attaining.

solidjun54470d ago

"right now it is just fangirls and people latching onto easy things to compare too. No amount of graphics will give you Titanfalls without MS and the cloud. "

LOL! Oh man, you're stuck in the cloud. Whatever you say man. You're the only person believing this.

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Qwagy UK4471d ago

on certain multiplatform games.... erm more like 99% of games!

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-Foxtrot22d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle22d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7722d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300027d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7227d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit27d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania27d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit27d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0726d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr27d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box27d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr27d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9527d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7227d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--27d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7227d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket27d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm27d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde27d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9226d ago (Edited 26d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_27d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted27d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit27d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9226d ago (Edited 26d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT27d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers27d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14927d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0726d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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