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Has Microsoft purposely omitted game resolutions on Xbox One cases?

GameZone: Now in the age of next-gen, the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One are the poster boys for better graphics and (hopefully) better native resolutions, though that doesn't seem to be the case either. Save for a few titles, most Xbox One games run at a native 720p, or up to 900p while PlayStation 4 games run at a native 1080p. How can you tell if a PS4 game supports 1080p? Just turn the case around. But what about Xbox One games?

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Kayant4475d ago

This piece is spot on. Well written.

Pretty much when you consider they had it on X360 cases there's no logical reason to not have it on now expect as pointed out in the article when you're often at a disadvantage to your competitor.

Insomnia_844475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

No logical reason? What are you talking about??? There's always a reason for everything and in this case it is FEAR, WEAKNESS!

Why o why4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

Agreed, logical and calculated. Dat upscaler...lol

They dont want people holding both cases up and comparing. I make em right on this little trick, WE all know what time it is but many people wont so they're banking on the latter not to care.

amiga-man4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

M$, smoke and mirrors?

It's hard to believe /s

http://redstatements.co/wp-...

Eonjay4475d ago

The resolution fight started last generation and was started by Xbox fanboys in an attempt to assert superiority. Now, that has come back to bite them. Karma.

PoSTedUP4475d ago

thats stupid on MS's part.... MORE HATE INCOMMING. dirty tactics will be the death of MS this gen.

Letthewookiewin4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

It's funny a lot of people say well PS3 had all the inferior multi plats. While that was true at first they were never as far of as it is now with the X1 and PS4. Also debunking that statement is the fact that the last two years most multiplats turned out better or equal on PS3 compared to 360. Even Tomb Raider was better on PS3 look it up on Digital Foundry. It's bad this gen and no the gap will never be closed you can't help dated hardware and while the X1 SDK improves so will the PS4's. Of course MS is going to try and hide this fact.

abzdine4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

in 2-3 years games will require much more raw power and X1 games will be 480p.
this is ridiculous even old gen games aren't full HD on x1

H0RSE4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

@Letthewookiewin

"It's bad this gen and no the gap will never be closed you can't help dated hardware..."

Depending how you look at it, either both are using dated hardware, or neither are.

- In terms of the actual power of the hardware, both are dated. Consoles are always behind the curve, since they need to stay at a competitive price point.

- In terms of R&D or any custom architecture being used, neither are dated. Both MS and Sony worked with AMD to produce new chips to be used to be used in their new consoles.

Don't spin it like MS is using old, obsolete hardware, while Sony is using state of the art tech...

Of course, tech specs only matter to those who actually used them as a deciding factor in which console to buy, which I would argue isn't the majority. If the PS4 was weaker and/or more expensive, many would still be buying it, if not for exclusives alone.

pwnsause_returns4475d ago

you mean smoke weed and thinking of clouds...

DatNJDom814475d ago

typical m$ bullshit. That is all.

GUTZnPAPERCUTZ4475d ago

The reason Xbox 360 Cases stated 1080p was because it had a built in Up-scaler, the PS3 did not. Look it up.

miyamoto4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

PS4 caught M$ with its pants down since Feb 2th 2013.
Them pants will stay down for many years to come.

PS3 ushered in the new era of The Informed Consumer. M$'s smoke and mirrors tactics does not stand a chance against millions of Informed Consumers like us. We are legions upon legions. And it shows. M$ can't fool no one no more.

k3rn3ll4475d ago

The latter doesn't care. Most consumers are sadly ignorant and probably 3/4 don't go to video game sites for news everyday like us

alexkoepp4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

Really its just not important. It's not like putting the minimum specs on the box for a PC game. I believe this appeared on Xbox/PS2 and went through to 360/PS3 (I think I don't really recall, never had a reason to look) Just trivial crap that never existed and was born when HD came about. Now that is widespread HD is standard so there isn't any point in listing a games resolution. Why don't PS4 games list the FPS? Or the anti-alaising it is using? Or texture quality? Draw distance? HDR lighting? Article is whack.

So when I plug my PS4 into a 720p television the magic number on the back of my game case is going to make my tv capable of 1080p output?

patterson4475d ago

Remember when everyone was guessing what MS was going to call their new console and everyone called it the 720 just for the sake of? I guess it was fitting!

webeblazing4475d ago

HORSE how you get over 20 disagrees for stating the truth

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styferion4475d ago

Good articles, I actually never know that the resolution printed on X360 cases were upscaled version until now.
The trend is changing though, they could get away on the past because resolution isn't the main focus, now with all games announcing their resolution months before release it'd just backfired at them if they still do that.

k3rn3ll4475d ago

I wouldn't say thry sre being announced. More so leaked 3 months in advance. Or before there is even a release date like witcher

adorie4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

Meanwhile on PS4 cases:
http://i0.wp.com/gearnuke.c...

@Volkama
Hah. You're right about that. Still, I guess there are enough games that are 1080p native, on PS4, to sweep that one under the rug? Kidding. :P

But it is what it is.

Volkama4475d ago

Funny, the BF4 box says that too.

fr0sty4475d ago

It's just sticking to the trend PS3 and 360 used last gen of listing the resolution the game outputs at rather than native rendering resolution. Almost every 360 game was 1080p if you believed the cases.

PS4 does have a vast majority of its titles running at 1080p native though, that's the only difference here.

KiRBY30004475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

@frosty

not true. PS3 covers always mentioned the native resolution of the game. its the 360 covers which mentioned the upscaled resolution.

see for yourself:

bioshock infinite
PS3 http://image.jeuxvideo.com/... says 720p
360 http://image.jeuxvideo.com/... says 1080p, even though its the game has the same resolution as PS3

mass effect 3
PS3 http://image.jeuxvideo.com/... 720p
360 http://image.jeuxvideo.com/... again 1080p even though its 720 native

these are PAL prints, but im pretty sure its same for US boxes.

so, it was already dirty tactics from Microsoft back then.

Chanogram4475d ago

1080 hd video output means nothing. Educate yourself. All it means is that the system will OUTPUT the game at 1080. Not that the game is rendered at native 1080. MS could put the same thing on their boxes, since every game that isnt 1080 (JUST LIKE THE PS4) will be upscaled and output in 1080p. I'm not arguing that the PS4 has more native 1080p NATIVE games, only that the wording in that picture is pointless.

Honestly, MS and SONY could both put that on every single game box, and it would be accurate and true. Now if they start puting the word NATIVE in there, then let me know.

Dont let my facts and logic get in the way of the circle jerk though. You may resume normal activity.

MetaphoricalTank4475d ago

Kirby is spot on, this is despicable. Microsoft should be ashamed after putting 1080p output on the back of the 360 box while Sony only put 720p on the PS3 box.

Unless of course the 360 could output a 1080p image while the PS3 was limited to 720p. I suppose there is a slim chance that is the case, if the 360 had a pretty good upscaler but the PS3's upscaler was more limited and could only scale an image vertically.

What are the chances of that being the case though, right?

About 100% actually...

CoLD FiRE4475d ago

@MetaphoricalTank

No, Kirby is wrong. And yes in the case of the Xbox 360 and PS3, the X360 had a really good scalar that allowed it to output almost all games at 1080p while that wasn't true for the PS3. That's why in the example Kirby used (Mass Effect 3/Bioshock Infinite) the X360 version could output to 1080p while the PS3 was limited to 720p.

What all this means is, if you have a 1080p TV, the X360 will scale the picture from 720p to 1080p which is the native resolution of the TV and the TV will be receiving a 1080p signal from the X360. As for the PS3, since it couldn't upscale the picture internally, the signal sent to the TV is going to be 720p and that's what the TV will be receiving.

If you have both consoles you could try it yourself. In the case of the PS3's (Bioshock/Mass Effect 3)the TV will show the signal it's receiving as 720p when you press the info button on the remote while it will show 1080p for the X360 versions (given that you have your 360 set to 1080p.

CryofSilence4475d ago

Motion, I was agreeing with you until your last sentence. Now enjoy the negative bubble and disagree storm most likely headed your way.

n4rc4475d ago

Kirby..

How is there 3 native Resolutions on a single game?

The answer is there isn't.. And games have never listed native resolution.. Only resolutions that can be sent to your TV.

RevXM4475d ago

PS3 and 360 games did always only display output resolutions on the box.

Bishock Infinite isnt even quite 720p on either 360 or ps3.
go read on LoT or DF.

Then there the COD games and they are sub HD too but its says 720p on the box. Resistance 3, GTA 4, bioshock, Red dead redemption, Halo 3, BF3 and a lot of other games. all sub HD. Says 720p because thats the output resolution and people will know the game is compatible with their screen because they know their screen supports either 720p or 1080p or both. how do you think people would feel if COD on ps3 said "960x540" Resolution on the boxes...

CONFUSED that is what.

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Volkama4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

As far as I recall every XBox 360 game just said it supported 1080p. Never a mention of the native resolution.

There is no great conspiracy in this being removed from the box. It'd be more deceiving to continue the "everything is 1080p!" labelling they had previously.

Kayant4475d ago

"There is no great conspiracy in this being removed from the box" - There pretty much is.

And it doesn't label everything as *1080p* on X360 cases that's a mistake in the article.

Looking at my games(Don't have a lot) --->

Gears 1 HDTV 480p/720p/1080i
Just Cause 2 720p/1080p/1080i
etc

XB1 cases don't mention what resolutions are supported. So what changed?

Volkama4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

Gears 1 came out before the 360 supported 1080p. Not sure when Just Cause 2 came out, but possibly the same story.

Why not just cover it all off by saying "the console supports xyz" rather than expecting people to check on a game by game basis? And what if they start upscaling to 4k at a later date, thus invalidating every box so far much like your Gears example?

OK if they start scaling to 4k the jaggies may well be sharp enough to cause actual bodily harm, but that's not the topic :)

As for a "conspiracy", what do MS gain and/or cover up by taking the 1080p label off the box?

UnHoly_One4475d ago

Everything MS does is a conspiracy on N4G, it's unreal.

These people actually believe that at the last minute when they were about ready to launch a new console, they quickly redesigned all of their game cases just to hide resolution from people.

C'mon... really??

Let's be honest here, the only people would ever be looking at resolution like that are the people like us that already researching and aware of it.

Hicken4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

... So you explained Gears 1, but what about Just Cause 2?

Microsoft has a rather well-documented history of, if not lying, then not quite telling the truth. So, naturally, people will pick them apart on things that appear to be deceptions. And with how hard they're pushing their upscaler, and how much damage they're taking from resolution-gate... well, who would be surprised if they altered a thing or two?

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Concertoine4475d ago

I think its because the resolutions are all over the place. Some 1080p, some 900p, titanfall's 792p.

adorie4475d ago

That never stopped them from using the upscaler resolution last gen.

miDnIghtEr20C_SfF4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

How is it spot on when more Xbox One games are 1080p? LMAO.. you new school kid gamers and your resolutions. If it was so important than why weren't all of you PC gamers many Years ago. If resolution was this important you'd of been PC gamers YEARS and YEARS ago.

GTFO with this new crying over resolution. That's not what makes a game good or not.

@Kayant.. go look it up. More X1 games are 1080p then they are lower. Sorry about that.

Kayant4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

"How is it spot on when more Xbox One games are 1080p?" - Well done you won joke of the year.

Edit -
Ha got you. Sorry about that also ;) Misunderstood that.

On the PC aspect. There are a number of people that don't necessarily like PC gaming so that may not be a option for them.

"GTFO with this new crying over resolution. That's not what makes a game good or not." - You're right it doesn't no one has said it does. It does offers a better experience.

amiga-man4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

miDnIghtEr20C_SfF

GTFO with this new crying over resolution. That's not what makes a game good or not.

No, but it does make it better.

http://marbury.typepad.com/...

adorie4475d ago

Already been gaming on PC for lil over 2 years now and making the jump to 2k (baby steps!) in 1 month.

Resolution matters tome because my eyes have been trained for 2 years to see 1080p on a consistent basis. Let's not mention I sometimes like to crank the MSAA to 4x (diminishing returns and performance are decisions to stick with 4x)

If I am going to buy a console, I want it to have the best possible fidelity. I bought an Xbox few months after launch because I wanted dat hi-res Silent Hill 2, I got an Xbox 360 because Gears looked phenomenal.

My point? You don't need to be a PC gamer to want great fidelity, but becoming one has just made me more picky about such things.

Oh, and one last thing, I don't own a PS4 yet. YET!

BlackTar1874475d ago

I want to leave you guys a nugget of info from Midnight post history
Pre Next gen launch
" I think the PS3 proves that exclusives don't matter. Not the 360. PS3 is supposed to be the one with all the exclusives, and it seems not to matter this generation. Proving that nobody cares as much about exclusives anymore. "

Post Next gen Launch
"Weird how the X1 exclusives beat out the PS4 exclusives in overall ratings. That's wild for the strictly gaming console to lose out on during launch. "

MysticStrummer4475d ago

"more Xbox One games are 1080p"

Actually very few are, as opposed to most of PS4's.

kingfetish174475d ago

@miDnIghtEr20C_SfF the crybaby

I see 11 sub-1080p XB1 games on this list vs 9 1080p XB1 games on this list. Your argument is invalid.

Also, console exclusives > PC exclusives lol

http://www.ign.com/wikis/xb...

DigitalRaptor4474d ago (Edited 4474d ago )

Oh boy... this whole situation is really stressing the sh*t out of the Xboys.

Let's put things into perspective for you...

1) You are the one crying over the resolution

2) We are the ones stating hard facts, and discussing technology.

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Charybdis4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

well al 360 cases say the same on the back "HDTV 720p/ 10801/1080p". Basicly pointing out what kinda tv's the console/game is compatable with, or am I mistaken.

MetaphoricalTank4475d ago

Output resolution was relevant 8 years ago. The 360 supported composite leads and one of the VGA standards. TVs and monitors didn't necessarily support every format while HD was in it's infancy, so there was some potential for compatibility problems.

Fast-forward to today, the consoles exclusively use HDMI and I challenge any one of the drooling fanboys in this thread to find an HDMI enabled TV that does not support one of the output options available from the console dashboard.

Funniest part is if the cases did still say "1080p" on them the same people that are complaining here would be up in arms about it.

n4rc4475d ago

Its left out because its pointless..

Does cod say its 600 on the box? No.. Because of scaling, the source to your TV is whatever you set it to..

Native resolution was never displayed on cases, unless it happened to be the max output of the console

n4rc4475d ago

More useless tools.. 17 disagrees yet not one attempt to actually defend your position..

Its n4g all over... Its especially funny when nobody will speak up if you have a bubble left.. You could wait 2 days and never get a comment, until you use that last bubble and suddenly the idiotic comments start rolling in..

BoriboyShoGUN4475d ago

Why was it important last gen then?????

Twilightx74475d ago

This piece ignores the fact that Sony is printing 1080p on every box, even when it's NOT native 1080p. Case in point - Battlefield 4, running at 900p, upscaled. The case clearly states "1080P VIDEO OUTPUT", which really puts them in Microsoft's shoes from last gen.

k3rn3ll4475d ago

Yet no one pays attention to it. And yet they say the xbox one sucks. So are they accepting the fact then that ps3 also sucks? Oh of course not. Blind by their need to feel better than people because they have some complex from eatlier in their life. Its really quite funny if you think about how horrible their life must really be that they have to spend their days like this instead of talkinf about how great these devs have made these games. If I was a dev I'd be so pissed to put in years of art and coding to have p eople only talk about how bad one version of the game. That alone makes them all not "true gamers"

jmac534475d ago

This got me thinking, when was the last time I went into a game store and browsed the games by looking at the backs in order to decide what I wanted. All the info is online and if I do go to the store I already know what I want. I remember as a kid going in and spending hours trying to decide what I wanted.

Kryptix4475d ago

True but that logic holds no weight as the Xbox 360 boxes have the resolution output placed behind the box and still does till this day. You would think they would get rid of it on the 360 boxes, too but this just says that they're hiding something. Soon to be unfolded in the near future when both the PS4 and Xbox One power differences widen up.

James Vanderbeek4475d ago

microsoft is pretty much selling people a 360 console. just a new name and new look. same hardware inside pretty much.

allastocata4475d ago

Haha. The funny thing about posts like this is that because of how bias this user base is, people actually think this true. Way to be a sheep and propagate the lies. Baa.

InTheLab4475d ago

No...the 360 slim was a fantastic console. The X1 by comparison is trash...expensive trash.

TheForwardUnto4475d ago

Isn't that Sony is basically doing?

SilentNegotiator4475d ago

Just about every Ps3 and 360 game proudly had "1080p" on the back of their boxes (even though they were just upscaled to 1080p)...why would it be a problem now?

Shiken4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

Sooooooo, it would appear that the X1 is selling about the same as the Vita (Vita wins EU)....sooooooo....is the X1 a failure or is Vita successful?

}:D

All trolling aside however, I'm willing to bet yes it is on purpose. MS has already put in a parity clause in their indie policy, so it isn't absurd to thing they would try to be sneaky with consumers that don't know of the power differences in full yet.

The X1 can still be a success, but I don't see it catching the PS4 (unless MS does everything right and Sony drops the ball, which I don't see happening after the lessons they learned with the PS3). That said they just need to focus on their gaming experiences and accept that they have the less powerful console. Trying to trick people will only hurt them in the long run as it shows just how desperate they really are.

GribbleGrunger4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

I'm going to mention this one last time because it's been forgotten over time for some reason. The 'P' in 1080p on the back of the 360 boxes stands for 'Parity' (720p upscaled), a word MS coined themselves in order for them to put 'P' next to the 1080. Now that they have 'really' entered the 'progressive scan' market, they can no longer use 'Parity' and so choose to not show the resolution at all.

MysticStrummer4475d ago

Wow… I never heard that. O.o

Mr Pumblechook4475d ago

In Europe, if a company label a game as 1080p when in fact it id upscaled 720p it leaves them liable to court action for for falsely advertising their games. Although the courts are not too tech savvy so Microsoft could argue that up scaled 1080p is still 1080p.

Also false labelling a game as 1080p will lead to hardcore gamers not trusting Microsoft when they are aware of the native resolution of a game.

reaperofsouls4475d ago

yes they have purposely omitted res

BoriboyShoGUN4475d ago

Yeah I noticed this way back on PS4 launch day. Was telling a kid in line that most of the XBOX games were running lower resolutions, when we picked up the COD cases to compare boom the XBOX version had nothing freaking shameful.

combatcash4475d ago

The only reason people would be comparing the resolution would be on 3rd party games. If MS can produce some compelling exclusives then the resolution wont matter since it's not something that you'll be able to play elsewhere.

MS has dug themselves into a hole with this console, many people jumped ship and not because of any sony exclusives, because most major sales are from third parties and so far the best way to experience them besides PC is definitely on the ps4.

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Mikelarry4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

with everyone apart from the casuals really focusing on resolutions they aren't gonna advertise a weak point compared to their competition now are they. the funny thing is though that i thought they were so adamant that resolution did not matter they even went as far as saying 720 is better than 1080p...but i digress, even graeme boyd was quoted to say he would much focus on how a game plays i guess deep down this worries MS for them to remove this from all their game boxes

Bonkerz4475d ago (Edited 4475d ago )

Why would they advertise games that arent 1080P when the competition is? That makes no sense that would be the worst type of marketing EVER. Thats like a car saying look at our beast, and then says comes with no seats. Especially since everyone atm seems to care about resolution then ever before, which to me i really dont care as long as the game looks good. It is gameplay to me that matters.

Insomnia_844475d ago

Let's be real here. The first thing EVERYONE thinks of is GRAPHICS when expecting a next gen console. The first thing EVERYONE notices in a game is GRAPHICS. Of course gameplay is the most important, take Ryse for example, good graphics but repetitive gameplay that gets boring after a couple of hours.

Graphics and gameplay are both important, gameplay more than graphics. BUT when the $500 console can't do what the $400 can........

asmith23064475d ago

As lame as it is I agree. It's bad marketing to show lower resolution when the competitions game cases show a significantly better difference. It is shameful though not to inform consumers about it.

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Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

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they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

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Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300031d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7231d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit30d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania31d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit30d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0730d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr31d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box31d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr30d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9531d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7231d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--30d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7230d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket30d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm30d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde30d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9230d ago (Edited 30d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_31d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted31d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit30d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9230d ago (Edited 30d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT31d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers31d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14930d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0730d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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