I guess my comment wasn't really off-topic after all....

TomShoe's your response to lolCHILLbro reasons for believing Titanfall is new doesn't in the slightest prove that Titanfall is not new, in fact actually when you say:
"it borrows elements from several different games, and combines them into something different"

=that only CONFIRMS it is NEW, its only "not new" when you borrow without being different enough that your product becomes transparent and fails to deliver a overall product that is refreshing or excels over its predecessors. Like so many inventions in any other industry, they are built off of existing ideas/products but that doesn't negate the fact that Tesla Motors for example aren't doing something new, yes its still just a car, yes even electric cars have also been done before but NOT like Tesla cars are doing it= still a car but "different". Furthermore:

#1 A great game does not have to be new.

#2 I'd like the author or anyone else to name a game that is "new" so that I may understand the logic here?

#3 What criteria makes something new?

-I'm betting no reasonable response to those questions= disagree button will help you sleep though. lol

For me any game that can mix old ideas to bring it's own brand of excitement to a genre IS NEW....I've played it and if someone's logic says Titanfall isn't new, by the same logic I say nothing is new. If that's the case who cares, because ultimately "new" or old is irrelevant since more importantly judging by the press and avg gamers reactions it's seems to be MORE FUN than most games experienced lately....I'll take that over all else anyway.

"Which other game is making a campaign multiplayer mode thats in the final game?"

Brink did it last gen. It sucked, but it still happened.

I seem to remember Uncharted being ripped for combining elements from other games, but now this is "new".

Interesting...

Titanfall just seems to be bridging moba and fps genres...

I don't think it's a unique fps... I think it's a unique moba.

I'm also worried about the longevity amongst the masses. Mobas are more about strategy, whereas fps focuses on skill; yes, this could bridge the two, but (personally) I hate shooting at bots ESPECIALLY when other players might shoot at me...

meaning I'd rather play cod... even though I prefer pre-team fortress 2 being f2p... I prefer bf3/4.. all over any cod.

Edit: jokesonyou, minecraft was new. Procedural generated was new. Combining aspects is not new, it's merging two old concepts in hopes to revitalize two old concepts.

Fps games were not new when a studio brought in rpg-elements to make you feel stronger after playing for many hours (perks). They just tried to revitalize and pertain to the masses.

That is why Respawn is brilliant, and also why i hate them; many of you have little skill and need these crutches.

@lolchillbro which other game is making a campaign multiplayer mode that's in the final game?
Err, not quite sure....... But isn't destiny shaping up that way?

There is one small problem with this game so far that was barely mentioned in the article... it does not have a single player offline campaign.

I myself have bought Socom confrontation, M.A.G., Warhawk, counter strike G.O., and a few other titles that have no single player offline campaign. Each of these games sold for 40 dollars without a bundled headset in them.

With so many of these other online only games being sold for less why isn't titanfall doing the same?

Fanboys may not realise this yet but when you launch an online only game for 60 dollars...... you may as well pull your own arm off and slap yourself with it.

I know this is going to cause a stir within the gaming community.

the question should be what new ideas are devs coming up with? most ideas are mix and match. most new things are coming from indies.

Most FPS are a joke anymore thanks mostly to CoD's success. Can we even lean around corners in today's shooters or is that not cool anymore? I guess when you have radar in the top right corner showing you where everyone is you don't need it.
I miss the old SOCOM days of teamwork and communication where you come up with a strategy for the next round instead of kill, die, respawn kill, die, respawn. Killing wasn't the goal in SOCOM, killing was just something you had to do to complete your goal. Call me when real shooters make a comeback.

@DragonKnight

Way to twist my words.

Let me put it simple enough for even you to understand.

A fanboy for a particular console may find reason to dislike a game on that console after playing it. Chances are, they will hope the game is good and even be hype for it until they are proven wrong.

A fanboy for a rival console will look at that same game and find (will find, not may find) reason to hate that same game before they play it, if they ever do. Furthermore, they will then scream out to anyone that will listen about how awful that game (that they've never played) is. Then, if that game ever happens to come to their console of choice, they will herald it as an amazing improvement over the original, which they originally hated (again without ever playing).

Which is more sad?

So let me get this straight. Basically what you're saying is that we should never take someone's word or opinion on a game if they don't support the system it's designed for unless their opinion is a positive one?

@johndoe11211

I'm talking about fanboys, not normal people. k3x asked me which fanboy is more trustable (a dumb question, I know), and I responded.

creatchee, your argument was doomed to fail from the start.

what you basically said was that fanboys, as long as they are part of the console of the particular exclusive game being discusses, are more impartial than fanboys that aren't.

You literally just said "I have more faith in Xbox fanboys hyping up this game than I do Sony fanboys downplaying it" and don't see that the same problem exists no matter which side you're talking about.

@DragonKnight

Okay fine. From now on, every time you read something negative about a Sony game from an Xbox fanboy, I want you to say to yourself "hey, this guy is a very reliable source" and tell him that you appreciate his contributions.

Also, I'm not going to convince you that you are interpreting what I said incorrectly, so I give up.

@creatchee Well, let me tell you a little secret. No product is perfect (despite what some fanbois will tell you), and there ALWAYS is a "fault". I'd rather find out about those faults than read another 9/10 "review" that sounds like it came straight from the product's marketing team.

Besides, don't make it about fanbois. Yours was just a typical reaction to a review not written by a fanboi of the product. "How is someone who is not in love with the reviewed product allowed to review it?! It just doesn't make sense!" Thanks to years and years of mostly shit gaming journalism where every average game gets an 8 or more and the merely good ones are lauded as trend-setting and genre-redefining ones (hi Titanfall and Bioshock Infinite), people are no longer able to accept that every once in a while some game out there might get constructively criticized by someone who doesn't come off like a glaze-eyed, salivating moron.

lol nice creatchee, wow so a Sonyfanboy is ranting about Titanfall what else is new.

@johndoe no one has to "support the system" he clearly pointed the author out as a self describe "Sony fanboy" and yes I or anybody with common sense knows that a sonyfanboys opinion on anything xbox related is worthless and vice versa for a xbox fanboy opinion on ps. Of course some people have the ability to be objective regardless of their preference but "fanboys" by definition lack the ability to be unbiased.

@ Dragonknight there is a clear distinction between following something because you really like it and following something because you hate it, if you can't understand the difference I feel for you bro cause positivity leads to a much happier life.

@ k3x you're stating the obvious Yes every game is flawed but so what that's not what this is about? Titanfall is impressing most, it will not impress everybody but clearly when a self described fanboy uses the "its not new" platform to attack it #1 the statement itself lacks merit for reasons I already stated above and #2 being a sonyfanboy with a site still doesn't make him anymore creditable than the random fanboy on n4g= Why should anyone who like Titanfall take him seriously, its a free country though so he is welcome to his opinion as we are welcome to voice our opinion of his comments.

creatchee

Do you honestly believe that most reviewers don't view products through personal bias? Seriously, I know you're not that naïve.

You show me anyone in the media that says they review products with no bias at all and 99 out of a 100 times I will show you either a liar or someone living in denial. If anything I'd rather an author admit right up front he is a fan of the opposition. At least it's not as shady as say Polygon trying to pretend than can be anything but bias since they were bank rolled by MS.

Personally I just come to N4G to find tidbits of info on upcoming games, accessories or DLC. I could careless what nearly anyone that writes for a site has to say about any game. I've been gaming since it's inception and enjoy nearly every genre. I am of the opinion of one, my own.

BTW I am that 1 out of 100 that can give an opinion without bias cause I'm brutally honest.

Ok, here's the problem with your argument.

Titanfall is releasing on pc. So, if you limp any "titanfall hate" as "Sony fanboyism" then "Sony fanboyism" can use any pc+ps4+ps3 (or any combo) game as an exclusive.

Suddenly, warframe, war thunder, blacklight, dcuo, don't starve, flower, flow, sound shapes, tiny brains, planet side 2, outlast, and MANY, MANY MORE (soon to be released, or already released) become viable argument against "xbone games" vs "ps4 games"

So, cling to your "Sony fanboys" are "jealous" argument, but the reality is that you are a hypocrite, and cling to one game your "opponent" has a multitude.

D***it, double post from phone... sorry.

@JokesOnYou It didn't seem obvious enough to everyone involved in the discussion. The "it's not new" statement is as true as ever. Whether it's coming from a fanboi or not is irrelevant in this case as, once again, it's just stating the obvious; the game is nothing new.

Xbone fanbois are all up in arms every time a negative article about the game in question appears somewhere on the web. If it makes you happier to believe that you're receiving a truly next-gen, trend-setting experience on your platform of choice then by all means revel in that fantasy, lock yourselves up in your rooms and stop trying to whine and rage every time someone else expresses a different opinion. Used to be the same with Halo. It's a shit game, yet you guys love it. Whatever. Have fun with it but do try to keep your cool when you find some people don't share your beliefs.

For the record, I'm a PC gamer, a fan of the FPS genre for 20 years and I absolutely detest Titanfall. It's an utter disgrace to the FPS genre due to its moba elements and aim assist on the PC.

Yes I am a Sony fanboy, as I have admitted before. I also own an Xbox 360, I intend to buy an Xbox One within the next few months. And I built my own PC specifically for gaming. I play everything, just because I prefer a Sony console doesn't mean I refuse to touch anything else or get excited for other games.

Dead Rising 3 looks to be one of the best games of the next-gen so far and is the main reason I am buying an X1.

@mhunterjr. You know what else would add the level of immersion to sell the idea you are a participant in an all out war? Real players.

They aren't squads of mech pilots, there just grunt bots which is why they don't use mechs. The players are pilots which the grunts even make comment about. You will hear them say how there aren't many pilots left which seems to point to the story that they are trying to funnel into the multiplayer.

The Last of Us did nothing new and yet was still one of the best games of its generation. Sometimes taking old concepts and assembling them in a different, yet harmonious way can yield great results.

The idea behind the bots is to essentially make the game easier for the casuals. Respawn knew that COD's main selling point was that it is easy, and pretty much anybody can get to the top of the match leaderboards on a consistent basis, no matter how good or bad of a player they really are.

So Respawn took that idea one step further to try and wrangle as many COD players as possible. They decided to make the game even easier than COD by introducing noob AI bots at a 3:1 ratio to human players. Not only does it give the illusion that there is more action going on, but it gives players guaranteed bot kills so they can feel better about themselves.

So rather than making online games more challenging, they went the exact opposite. And just like COD before it, they are trying to dumb down the online experience ever further. It's an interesting tactic, and who knows how it will pan out. But I have a feeling that all the COD folks they grab, will just head back to COD when the next one comes out.

It's kind of like the internet saying goes "Don't argue with an idiot, because they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience". You simply cannot beat COD at it's own game.

@creatchee: "The Last of Us did nothing new and yet was still one of the best games of its generation. Sometimes taking old concepts and assembling them in a different, yet harmonious way can yield great results."

*checks article title*

What does The Last of Us have to do with this?

Oh right, I know, whenever an Xbox game is criticized, SonyGamesToo™

And I suppose you're going to tell me what other survival games out there tell the story of a father that lost everything, killed his feelings, only to have them reborn thanks to a teenage girl who came to mean more to him than humanity itself now right?

@DragonKnight

Do you even read what you write? Obviously The Last of Us had a great plot, but in terms of game mechanics, it did nothing new. The while argument of this article is that the gameplay is not new. Plot has nothing to do with it.