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Problems with the Platinum Trophy

There are problems with the Platinum Trophy, and the solution is easier than you might think.

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McScroggz4470d ago

I too don't like multiplayer trophies in general. I'd like to see games that aren't focused on multiplayer (Call of Duty/Battlefield) have a platinum that didn't have any multiplayer trophies for it and possibly the developer could have a separate, smaller trophy list for online play. And, since many of the best multiplayer experiences evolve and grow over time the developer could add trophies as they see fit.

I'd love to see a situation where a user creates a game type that is popular enough that the developer puts it into the official list of gametypes, and then there is a trophy associated with it.

Granted, I think that for the most part this won't happen because base trophies amount for roughly the same for every game. Still, I do hope to see the formula evolve.

Mikey322304470d ago

I also follow those basic rules when going for a platinum:

"1. I adore the game and enjoy every last moment of it.
2. There are no stupid multiplayer trophies."

Except i dont necessarily find multiplayer trophies stupid. I guess my rules would instead be

I also hate the hidden trophies... i understand that sometimes they need to be hidden to avoid spoilers in the single player - but if u beat single player and trophies are still hidden, its pointless. you will have to go look the up online anyways if you really want them. So why make them hidden?

admiralvic4470d ago

"Except i dont necessarily find multiplayer trophies stupid. I guess my rules would instead be "

I don't like to use absolutes, but multiplayer trophies are stupid. Even if it is play 10 games online, they're not productive. When you have trophies like that, people interested in the platinum / 1,000 just power through them. They might join a game, do nothing and let you win, which ultimately lowers your enjoyment. Who wants to play a fighting game where the other person doesn't fight? Who wants to play a shooter where your teammate is off watching cartoons to rack up plays? etc.

Since they "force" people to do something that affects other peoples enjoyment, they're ultimately stupid and worthless. Especially when they require you to do something really needless, like kill 100 people with a knife. Trust me, you will get team mates that will do nothing but knife people for that trophy and go 3:85 however many games it takes to get the trophy.

"but if u beat single player and trophies are still hidden, its pointless. you will have to go look the up online anyways if you really want them. So why make them hidden?"

The point is to reward you for doing something "cool" without flat out telling you to do it. It can suck at times and seem pointless, but some games hide things or want you to just simply do something for the trophy. Sure it's pointless now that lists are online, which is why you're starting to see games dropping the hidden trophies.

wolokowoh4470d ago

I agree but sometimes its something tapping the parrot(an easter egg in Uncharted Golden Abyss) is difficult to you how to do in a specific enough manner for you to understand would be hard to word without spoiling the game.

thorstein4470d ago

I think the MP trophies depend on the game, which is what I think he was trying to say. For instance, the ACIV get to level 55 trophy is ridiculous.

A simple solution to this already exists. You can see in your trophies list that there are (under a title) a breakdown of separate trophies based on DLC. Make MP under a different heading. That way people without internet can get a plat.

But even more so, it allows you for getting a platinum, but doesn't require online mp in order to do it.

incredibleMULK4470d ago

And no Hanna montanya games.

And it gots to be easy like terminator judgement day.

GameSpawn4470d ago

"I think the MP trophies depend on the game, which is what I think he was trying to say. For instance, the ACIV get to level 55 trophy is ridiculous."

The multiplayer trophy for ACIV to reach level 55 is not that bad. Just play on weekends (which as of late have all been Double XP) and play Wolfpack - preferably Private (aka Single player) games once you unlock a few good perks and Poison. You are guaranteed 12,000 XP (6,000 normal + 6,000 Bonus) per completed Wolfpack game (25 sequences on Standard - easily doable by yourself past level 16ish) which will quickly get you to level 55 and that Platinum.

The problem I have is with overly specific multiplayer trophies. "Do X of this, X many times, x specific ways" for a ludicrous Bronze that prevents you from getting Platinum. A perfect example of a game that had this problem was AC: Brotherhood. You HAVE TO boost some of the trophies because they are just too damned specific. This is the reason that the CORE trophies (that count to Platinum) in AC: Revelations, ACIII, and ACIV are progression based and can be reached by simply playing multiplayer for a little while. There are no special hoops to jump through - those overly specific trophies are part of multiplayer add-ons and excluded from the Platinum prereq.

The BEST, ABSOLUTE BEST, implementation of multiplayer trophies was for Uncharted 2 & 3. You merely had to play ONE co-op and ONE competitive game to get each trophy. THAT'S IT. No winning or loosing condition. Just try out multiplayer once in each flavor and you're done. Again with Uncharted, like with the last of the AC games (Brotherhood excluded), all the multiplayer (overly specific conditioned) trophies were part of a free (or paid) multiplayer add-on that separated the additional trophies away from the Platinum required ones - still making the Platinum available with little to no multiplayer prerequisite.

I hate multiplayer trophies just as much as all of you do, but don't have a problem when they are implemented in one of the two ways above. At least this takes SOME of the sting away and gives you a little incentive to at least give the multiplayer mode a try.

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Soldierone4470d ago

Multiplayer trophies should be separated just like DLC ones. Agree entirely with that.

It's like those annoying group projects in college. Why should I fail because someone else sucks? lol

JoGam4470d ago (Edited 4470d ago )

People need to keep on mind the purpose of the Platinum trophy. The Platinum trophy is rec eived ONLY when you get all the trophies. Separating trophies will eliminate the idea of the Platinum Trophy. They reward you for completing the story mode by giving a gold trophy. Platinum Trophies supposed to be special and should remain the way it is. Separating the single player and multiplayer will degrade the Platinum trophy. Also more people would be obtaining them.

ChazzH694470d ago

But what happen when not enough people are playing the multiplayer part of the game or the servers get switched off?

Or what about the people who can't spend 80 hours ranking up their character for one gold trophy?

ziggurcat4470d ago

@jo:

i don't think he's saying that there should be a separate trophy list. he's saying that MP trophies shouldn't count towards the platinum just like DLC trophies.

it's annoying to not be able to get a platinum trophy just because they've either shut the servers down or the community is no longer active for that game.

JoGam4470d ago (Edited 4470d ago )

Chazz, the answti-player er to all those questions is NOT Separating the trophies. For all the questions you asked are different answers. A Platinum trophy is meant for one thing and one thing only.... To show you unlocked all the trophies. Its not meant for completing a story and should not get giving for anything else. PERIOD. If you can't complete the task that was giving then oh well but getting a Platinum for anything other than completing all trophies would be worthless and too easy.

@ziggurat....multi-player trophies not counting towards the Platinum is Separating. Wft.

Soldierone4470d ago

That makes sense except for the fact a good majority of games at this point make it literally impossible to earn a platinum trophy.....

People jump ship, servers get shut down, etc... A majority of them are useless anyways. "Play A TDM against a friend" what exactly are they rewarding there? The issue isn't earning them, its the fact these games force you to play tacked on multiplayer and when they die, that platinum trophy is un earnable.

Call of Duty never forces you to play online for trophies, so why do other titles with tacked on multiplayer (which they know will die within a month!) force you? Their are plenty of games that have insane SP trophies, so it sucks to finally earn them then realize "crap I can't get the plat since online only has 13 active people....."

ziggurcat4469d ago

@jo:

"multi-player trophies not counting towards the Platinum is Separating."

no, it's not. it's no longer making them required for the platinum, not separating them from the main trophy list.

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iistuii4470d ago (Edited 4470d ago )

Yep agree MP should be separate. I'm one trophy off in B4 but I've got to run around shooting a pistol forever to get it, not gonna bother, trophies should be enjoyable.

JoGam4470d ago

Trophies should be enjoyable? No, the game should be enjoyable. Trophies are supposed to be an accomplishment. You will unlock the last trophy over time however if you want it faster run around with pistols only and you'll get it quicker.

wolokowoh4470d ago

"Enjoyable" should be changed to "not tedious" Getting 10000 kills on a game is not an accomplishment because it requires no skill. It just takes time that could spent elsewhere. @JoGam What istuii meant to say was the process of playing a game in the way that unlocks the trophy(read: getting trophies) should be something you want to do or will enjoy after trying it. If the game forces you to use a weapon you don't want to a few times to exose you to it, it was a good use of trophies. If sets that number too high, its poor use. 45 for him is slightly too high apparently

JoGam4470d ago

I hear what ur saying but its not the same thing. For an example..... Yes getting a trophy should be an accomplishment but getting 10000 kills is an accomplishment and also could be called a tedious or bad trophy. I would call fixing that problem isn't Separating the trophies. Fixing that problem would be stop making shitty trophies.

iistuii4469d ago

That's exactly what I meant cheers.. It's not the 45 kills you need with the pistol, it's the kills you need to even unlock the pistol. I want to play Battlefield 4 as it should be played & that's not running around for 8 hours with a pistol, that's the point I was making.

wolokowoh4468d ago

@iistuii Okay I see what you're saying now. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I have a similar problem with KZ Shadowfall multiplayer trophies. Lots of grinding bot kills. Dying letting my bots kill people and then respawn. Its not the most fun way to play the game.
@JoGam Fair points but shitty is subjective. If you already plan on doing everything the trophies require then they're not shitty to you so separating them would allow some reconciliation between the two groups. There is also TLOU situation. Multiplayer is good but single player is wait you came for. The single player has enough content for its own platinum and a full set of trophies so why doesn't it have more trophies? Because multiplayer took away some. At the same time some trophies are just time consuming and pointless. All 10000 kills suggests is that you played a game for a long time, not something you brag to your friends about. So far most multiplayer trophies are poorly designed.

Goro4470d ago

In my opinion, games just shouldn't have multiplayer trophies, there are many unplattable games because the servers have been shut down and the list is just growing and growing. 10 years from now, half the PS3 games will be impossible to platinum.

McScroggz4470d ago

I hoping that there is a solution to that for older games. I don't know what could be done, but it sucks not being able to get a platinum for a game because I was late to the party.

JoGam4470d ago

Honestly if you had a game for 10 years and didn't Platinum it the odds are you'll never Platinum it.

Applejack4470d ago

You're right for the most part but my friend was pretty close. It took him about 6 years to get his Resistance 2 platinum since the game released back in 2008. He was playing the multiplayer on and off because there is a ridiculous gold trophy to kill 10,000 players online. That wouldn't be necessary if there is no online trophies that count toward the platinum. At the very least make them more reasonable.

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Report: Sony Is Turning Its Back on Porting PlayStation Games to PC

Sony is said to be pulling back on releasing PlayStation games on PC, and this starts with Ghost of Yotei and Saros.

Elda51d ago

If true then the PC elitists will no longer be saying..."I'll wait to play it on PC where it'll play best" I'm guessing the money Sony spends porting & profiting from PC isn't worth it. Making PS first party solely exclusive again to their consoles will make their consoles more relevant to buy especially if their output of first party titles are good.

Outside_ofthe_Box51d ago

A certain spamtastic account will not be pleased if this is true.

This is another basic logic scenario. We've seen both extremes playing out right now. Would you rather be in Xbox's or Nintendo's position right now? Sony already had a working formula, stick to it.

fr0sty51d ago

Sony released games on PC to try to make a few extra bucks... Valve (and possibly MS, if the new Xbox ever sees the light of day) attempted to use this to allow you to play PlayStation games on other consoles, so instead of making Sony a few extra bucks, it's now costing them good money... so this only makes sense.

CrashMania51d ago (Edited 51d ago )

All those players who claim they were happy to wait an eternity for every game, will now suddenly be saying all those games are/will be crap and they were never interested.

Elda51d ago (Edited 51d ago )

Of course they will...lol. It looks like they'll never get to play PS exclusive games or they'll give in & buy a PS.

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CrashMania51d ago (Edited 51d ago )

Sure, keep coping obscure, suddenly Jason Schrier is super unreliable too I guess? lmao.

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Dexterio51d ago (Edited 51d ago )

True. Haha.
Oh! And look, the obscure dude with his zillionth sock account commented below as expected LMAO!

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babadivad51d ago

Believe it or not, some people will just never play Playstation games if the don't come to PC. They're completely fine with that.

InUrFoxHole50d ago

Sounds like you're letting a small section of gamers fuel your fanboy war. Good luck with that 👏

-Foxtrot50d ago

They are already doing this on some of the subreddits. Now they either never cared for their games or calling Sony selfish. However no one bats an eyelid at Nintendo sticking to console exclusive since forever

Neonridr50d ago

much like every MS released game when they eventually come to PS5 and somehow are magically good (Forza Horizon 5, Indiana Jones, Avowed, etc)

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Inverno51d ago

More like people were realizing what wasn't worth it was buying a PS5 to play games that eventually came to another platform. The constant excuses the entire gen to try to lessen the butt hurt y'all were feeling. Let's be for real here ladies and gents y'all were bothered by the fact most of these games were making their way to PC and judging by the replies y'all STILL butthurt. Trying to make it sound like waiting 6 months to a year was the worst thing when most people don't care cause why should they? Who's in a rush to play mostly SP games when they know they can play it on the platform they prefer? How exactly does it hurt y'all personally? Besides getting your pride hurt cause SONY making you look childish for being so loyal to a brand?

If they're pulling support it's because they know that long term they can't convince people to buy a PS if they can get their games on PC. It's that simple. You really think having an extra platform to gain more profit from somehow hurts them financially? Nah, it's cause they can't convince people to throw another 600-700 bucks at new hardware when their current console gen has barely been taken full advantage of. All the conveniences of a console are on PC now, and you aren't locked into a cycle where the hardware you buy becomes obsolete every 6 years. And the new hardware you buy receives games that are built off software made for the gen before.

Of course people rather buy these games on PC if they already own a PC, makes no sense at all to invest in a console if this continues. And it will infact continue if dev cycles keep taking most of the gen to complete development.

Dexterio51d ago (Edited 51d ago )

@Inverno
"All the conveniences of a console are on PC now."
Including piracy, hackers and cheaters? hmmm...

"Of course people rather buy these games on PC"
Yeah, digital only lol. People buy physicals on consoles, which you rarely have on PC.

You PC guys are really something. Being snobs for no reason at all lol.

derek51d ago (Edited 51d ago )

@Inverno, that was long tearful rant, you feel better now? Lol. Nobody cares about the pc gaming community the orphans of the gaming industry. Even Nvidia has abandoned you, lol. Now go play "pizza making express" on your $10,000 rig, nobody cares pc gamer.

Elda50d ago

It's working for PS seeing their console has been selling fabulously lately. If this is" true" it's evident Sony has decided porting their games to PC is just not worth it.

ravens5250d ago

🤣. Just get a PS if you dont have one. 🤣

Neonridr50d ago

I agree, I have a gaming PC along with a Pro and a Switch 2. I like choosing where I want to play my games. No I won't cry if I HAVE to play a title on my PlayStation. But it's nice having the option to play on my PC if I should choose.

That doesn't make me elitist or a fool in any way. My backlog of games is a country mile long. So if I can't get to a game at launch, getting it at PC down the road for a discount would be a nice option from time to time.

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Aloymetal50d ago

I'm super glad Sony's going back to what they used to do for 30 yrs, porting games to pee zee was a huge mistake just for a couple of millions extra at most and it only tarnished the brand/platform. Bunch of ungrateful ''pee zee elitists'' anyway, always demanding and whining as if Sony is owes them a port. You want a Big Mac? then go to McDonalds and get one, don't expect Taco Bell to sell you one. Common sense, that's how everything works in this world.

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CrashMania50d ago (Edited 50d ago )

@obscure

I must have missed the part where Sony owned Kojima Productions and the Death Stranding IP, news flash, they don't, which is not what the article is about lol

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Jin_Sakai50d ago

Music to my ears. So glad Sony are getting back to their roots with PlayStation. Scaling back on live service garbage and bringing back exclusives that made PlayStation what it is today.

1Victor50d ago

If anyone want to blame someone blame steam for stepping into the console market thinking Sony would continue to make their games available on PC like Xbox have done on all platforms.
Damn I missed today spam cooking competition 🤤

1Victor50d ago (Edited 50d ago )

@ stakdeck: “ @Muffer Awwww. You really made an account just to say all of this”
nope he made 2 just to disagree with me 🤣

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TwistedXenos50d ago

This feels like a bad move by Sony. The economy isn’t strong enough for most people to justify owning both a PC and a PlayStation. I’ve gotten used to playing on PC with a controller anyway. It’s a bit disappointing, but I’m not going back to consoles unless the economy improves significantly.

Michiel198950d ago

I'll wait to play it on PC where it'll play best, just a bit later on an emulator with higher res textures higher fps better controls and for free

z2g50d ago (Edited 50d ago )

It’s bc they don’t sell well. The cost to port vs revenue generated isn’t worth it. This kinda just shows that it’s specifically PlayStation people that love PlayStation exclusives - not necessarily gamers as a whole. That makes sense. Buy into what brands you like. PC has a whole universe of games that aren’t on console. Much bigger market. It doesn’t necessarily mean those interests are interchangeable.

Outside_ofthe_Box50d ago

Your logical fallacy is baffling.

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franwex51d ago

I have a ps5 and play those games on it. But why are you thanking god? What relief does this give you for people getting an old game a year or so later?

RauLeCreuset51d ago

"What relief does this give you for people getting an old game a year or so later?"

There's legitimate reason to find relief in the idea that PS is refocusing on its ecosystem and not jeopardizing it by doubling down on a strategy that could put it in a similar position as the current state of Xbox.

If true, it also relieves us of another "Sony too" deflection people have been arguing as a form of cope for years after years of people arguing that Xbox would surpass PS and Nintendo because those two weren't emulating the strategy of the only one of the big three that has never won a single console generation.

That's the cycle. Xbox has reinvented the wheel and done something the soon to be obsolete PS can't replicate, until it blows up in their faces. Then, it's "Sony too."

SimpleDad50d ago

Because that stupid decision kills consoles.
Everything is an Xbox, and now nothing is an Xbox.

People downloading torrents to play spiderman on their steam deck, and we all knew it.

I'm definitely not buying a Steam Machine for $2k over in scalper land just to play a settings game every time I turn it on.

HellspawnPR198150d ago

@SimpleDad not if done correctly. It killed Xbox because putting games day 1 on GamePass is cannibilizing their sales.

Amplitude50d ago (Edited 50d ago )

Thank God people that have gaming PCs now get to play infinitely inferior versions of two good games per year exclusive to the hyper locked down non-upgradable overpriced subscription-addicted Sony gaming PC.
Still got my PS5, but only for AstroBot, Wolverine, and whatever the next Ratchet game is gonna be. This console cycle has been absolute garbage. Forcing consumers to buy a piece of tech this lame in 2026 after they've shut down all their good studios is brutal. RIP Bluepoint.

maelstromb50d ago

Agreed. This has been an absolute lame-duck Sony console generation. Very few worthwhile titles for overpriced hardware. I'll continue to enjoy the plethora of endless game titles available through Steam and other platforms while Sony-only fans remain stuck in their ecosystem waiting for the next big title to drop once every 2 years. Have fun with that.

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Edit: Double posted. Deleted double.

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dveio51d ago

Well, we have the data in front of us, don't we. Not to mention how extensive Sony's data's got to be.

They've tried.

Huge revenue wasn't generated (don't get me wrong - they did make billions, but you get it), Steam got a cut, Xbox got a cut, PS5 is trailing ~2 million units behind PS4.

The paycheck for, but also potential harm to the remaining years of PS5 and the release of PS6, just wasn't it.

It's absolutely logical if true.

And people shouldn't forget Sony'd simply return to the strategy they've been following for 4/5 of Playstation's history.

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wesnytsfs50d ago

Good luck with that, Sony wa losing money on their AAA exclusives since their ecosystem was not generating enough to revenue to cover their costs. Just another stupid move almsot as dumb as their live service push.

dveio50d ago

You think Sony made losses with God of War, The Last of Us, Ghost of, Horizon or Spiderman?

Huh.

wesnytsfs50d ago

@dveio, I hope those games made money they were good games. Horizon Forbidden West cost $212 million, while The Last of Us Part II cost $220 million, excluding marketing. Much rather see more platforms instead of them raising prices to cover the game since its lmited to one specific console.

Reaper22_51d ago

I call BS. Too much money to lose.

MDTunkown51d ago

Goal of exclusives is to sell the console and not the game

Reaper22_50d ago

Lol.. that makes no sense. That logic puts all publishers and developers out of business. The majority of people buy games on the system they prefer. Exclusives are only a tiny fraction of games sold. Selling 15 million games beats selling 2 million consoles.Consoles stagnate but games dont. How is sony trying to sell their console by putting God of War on PC? The overall goal is to make money and the games keep the money coming. The majority of the time consoles are sold for a loss. And If it is making money its not that much. Especially in the first few years after release. All the enjoyment is coming from experiencing the game.

wesnytsfs50d ago

Consoles do not make money until late in their lives games make the money.

ThePacemaker50d ago

All this BS as you say contributes just 1.5% to PlayStation’s total revenue

Reaper22_50d ago (Edited 50d ago )

Actually its closer to 4%. Playstation has grossed over 1.5 billion on steam to date. So its not BS. At the end of the day, its not about what you want. They are going to do what they need to in order to increase profits. Did they ask you for permission before they shut down Bluepoint studios? No.

Felix_Argyle_Catbro50d ago

What do you expect releasing a game 2 years late??

BlaqMagiq150d ago (Edited 50d ago )

We get it. You hate PS is no longer putting their exclusives on PC while your favorite platform is giving theirs away to PC and other platforms.

Reaper22_50d ago

Thats ignorant. First of all nothing has been confirmed. I really dont care where sony put their games because I own a ps5 and a pc. So theres no hate. And for the record, I dont have a favorite platform but I do have a preference. There is a difference.

BlaqMagiq150d ago

Everything you said is BS. If you didn't care where they put their games you would've never made this comment. And you've made it clear you CLEARLY have a favorite platform. Just because you own a ps5 and pc doesn't negate that.

Reaper22_50d ago (Edited 50d ago )

Can you confirm that they are no longer putting their games on PC? If you cant then your whole argument is just nonsense. I dont care where they put their games. Part of the reason is i dont like all their games. Just like it dont like all games.on other platforms. I called BS on this report because its not based on facts to back it up. Maybe you care a little too much about it which imo is a waste of time. LIke I said before its not about you want. They dont need our permission to do anything. So if they do stop putting games.on PC it wont be because that what playstation fanboys want. It will be for business reasons. Thats why I said its BS. Why would they turn down opportunities to make money. For the record, games are developed on dev kits which are basically PC anyway. They only have to gain.

Dandizzle50d ago

Look how much attention this got, Jason Schreier pulls this shit all the time. Then people just forget his embellished claims.
You send this dude one random ass email I bet he will write up a whole story on it.

Reaper22_50d ago

I dont why people are getting all upset over something of little importance.

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Ex-dev leader Chris Barrett accuses Sony/Bungie of firing him to avoid a $45M payment

Chris Barrett was one of the prominent developers who was fired a few years ago during the Me Too scandals that hit the game industry.

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gold_drake497d ago

girl, 8 women reported you.

thats how that works. u wrre not "entitled" to anything.

shouldnt have been a creep.

DarXyde497d ago

"While that sounds despicable, Barrett was accused of crossing the line between professional and personal behavior. In the course of its journalistic investigation of the Me Too scandal, Bloomberg interviewed eight people, including multiple women who reported Barrett, as well as other Bungie employees who were either involved in the investigation or spoke to the women involved."

Yeah, sounds like you did it, dawg.

jznrpg497d ago

I’d avoid paying you 45$ mil with all those problems you brought

gold_drake497d ago

thats what i thought too haha

pwnmaster3000497d ago

On who.
8 girls reported him.
He is trying to save by putting blame on something else other then the situation he put himself in

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Here's how PlayStation's 30th anniversary London Tube carriage looks

PlayStation is celebrating its upcoming 30th Anniversary by letting you sit on its logo while riding the Victoria Line in London.

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maximusprime_514d ago

Reminds me of Sony's other awesome PS promotion in London, such as OXO tower and London underground roundels. All with shapes replaced with PlayStation's iconic 4 controller shapes.

Awesome promotion, Sony!

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goken514d ago

Awww… i wanna ride that train!

Die hard Xbox fans be like “I’ll catch the next one”

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