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Microsoft Xbox #Fail

PCMag writes: "The Xbox is a poor quality device, and that's before you even get to the crazy restrictions Microsoft tried to implement."

NatureOfLogic4496d ago ShowReplies(4)
iamnsuperman4496d ago (Edited 4496d ago )

What is this

"Microsoft is a computer software company that understands the importance of backward compatibility, so exactly why it would do something this stupid is beyond me. (Sony did the same thing with the PS4, but given how notoriously careless Sony is when it comes to inconveniencing its customers that was no great surprise.) The hardcore gaming community says not to worry, the solution is simple: keep two machines"

Its like this guy thinks it easy to emulate or put in a 360 or PS3 in these machines. This guy is deluded

Anyway, Microsoft has dropped the ball when it comes to market share loss. They have lost quite a big lead in the US and UK (UK is around 50 50 at the moment) which were big regions for them. I think the DRM/TV debacle and the price has had an effect in those regions

xHeavYx4496d ago

"Sony did the same thing (BC compatibility) with the PS4, but given how notoriously careless Sony is when it comes to inconveniencing its customers that was no great surprise."

I think this article may have been written in a parallel universe, where Sony is not good to their customers. Either that or these people didn't hear of PS Now

combatcash4495d ago

@xHeavYx

Don't we have to pay for PS now? If so then that's not backwards compatibility. Ithink it's going to be a great service since I'll be able to enjoy ps3 games I didn't get a chance to play but once you have to pay for games you already own to play on the ps4 then it loses that title.

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ginsunuva4495d ago

Backwards compatibility is not a God-given right (I think). You're lucky some consoles had it in previous generations (but it did drive their cost up).

Secondly, you don't own every copy of a game in the world just because you have a disc. Can I tell VUDU or Netflix I deserve all the movies I bought on DVD to be streamed to me or downloaded for free?

DomceM4495d ago

Article is right. Sony does do this. Doesnt matter if you want to ignore it or not.

Look no further than proprietary memory cards for PS VITA. When i bought one, it cost me nearly twice as much as what a regular card wouldve cost.

Since then I have sold my vita and got a DS. And good riddance.

harrisk9544495d ago

John C. Dvorak is a curmudgeon and has been writing about technology since the 1980s, including PC Magazine, Info World, worked on CBS's Market Watch, as well as some other mags that I can't remember... he is also a mainstay on Twit TV with Leo Laporte... And Dvorak has gotten more miserable and contrarian as time has gone on. I listen to Twit almost every week and I constantly find myself cringing whenever he opens his mouth.

That beings said, this is a TERRIBLE article... it comes across like a fanboy rant, even though it is not. Plus, it is poorly written... I am a Sony/PS fanboy, but I read this just shaking my head -- especially the uninformed and unnecessary jab at Sony, for no reason as Sony wasn't even part of his needless rant. I may agree with some of the points made about MS, but not the way this op ed article was written. It just came across as extremely childish and whiny for a 60-something year old man, even for John C. Dvorak.

bakagaijin784495d ago

@ginsunuva, you pretty much nailed it with that comment. I completely agree.

I mean, I have lots of TV shows on DVD that netflix (which I'm subscribed to) has available to stream, but I'm not crying about it.

harrisk9544495d ago

Just found some really dumb Dvorak opinions of the past:

In 1984 John C. Dvorak stated the mouse as a reason the Macintosh would fail: “The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a ‘mouse’. There is no evidence that people want to use these things.” [San Francisco Examiner on February 19th, 1984]

In his 2007 article for Marketwatch regarding the iPhone, Dvorak wrote "If [Apple's] smart, it will call the iPhone a 'reference design' and pass it to some suckers to build with someone else's marketing budget. Then it can wash its hands of any marketplace failures. [... ] It should do that immediately before it's too late."

Although he later admitted having been wrong about its success, he criticized Apple's iPad when it first appeared in 2010, stating that it was no different from other previous tablets that had failed: "I cannot see it escaping the tablet computer dead zone any time soon."

morganfell4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

Welcome to the Mirror Mirror Universe of 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010. PS3 owners remember all too well. This writeup and even the articles of the past 6 months are nothing compared to the onslaught waged against Sony.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

kickerz4495d ago

Well that was the worst article I've ever read.

Godmars2904495d ago

This article either has its facts wrong or the author's only semi familiar with the Xbox brand. Which again, pretty much the same thing where facts are concerned.

The PS4 never had BC, it was the PS3 which almost anyone should know, so again bad marks for the writer.

After Sony stopped making PS3 with as a - lousily - cost saving measure MS introduced it on the 360 for a short time.

One more time, this is just bad and biased "reporting".

Ps4Console4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

I buy Sony Products because I'am a fan much more than a lot of people on here I suppose but I don't big any electronic device up if it's not up to the job & I love my Ps4 very much but you just rubbish other companies for the sake that it isn't't Sony or anything to do with the Ps4 like the Xbox One which I'll never buy but I don't rubbish the product if other gamers get enjoyment out of the console then good on them but your such A Bad FanBoy .

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kreate4495d ago

They should both have 2 sku.

A regular X1/Ps4.
And a version w BC but for $100 more.

BlackTar1874495d ago

That is spreading the stock to thin.

impet254495d ago

Except It cost more than $100 for those bc chips 2 put into these consoles.

kreate4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

$100 is a semi random figure.
make it $200 more if it needs be.
but at least let the consumers have that option is my point.

ps3 was $500 but after they took the BC out, the price dropped to $400 so It made sense to me that its about $100 difference.

bakagaijin784495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

I do agree. If Sony had made an option to buy a more expensive version of PS4 that had BC I would have bought it instead of the cheaper $400 version. As long as the extra was comparable to buying another PS3 or less.

Main reason? Lack of extra HDMI inputs for my TV, and space to put said systems.

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DVAcme4495d ago

I have no idea why you got so many downvotes when you were right on the money, dude. For my part, I'm giving you a bubble.

And while this guy is VERY wrong on how Sony handles consumers, the fact is that backward compatibility is an appealing feature, even though, as you've rightfully pointed out, it's not something that easy to implement. The thing is, though, that Microsoft just plain dropped the 360 like a bad habit, and the console will be stone dead within the year, while Sony will not only continue to support the PS3, they're also offering Playstation Now as a solution for backward comp on PS4.

But yeah, the article writer's a total idiot.

frostypants4495d ago (Edited 4495d ago )

Yeah, I actually disagree with him on this as well. When the PS3 had full backwards compatibility at launch, everyone complained at the price of the system. Then they removed it, and what do you know, sales improved. B/C is overrated unless it can be done for free somehow.

lolCHILLbro4495d ago

i love the Xbox One! maybe this guy should stick to PC, i love the updated controller, the futuristic voice commands and Kinect recognition, and of course all those hot exclusives coming to the platform

Silver3604495d ago

He is mad at MS because his 360 crapped out on him and the One is not Backward compatible. He is just and angry man.

HardcoreGamer4495d ago

http://postimg.org/image/e7...

its all good guys, dont worry, great competition from xboxone
see pic

iamnsuperman4495d ago

That is one of the worst fake images I have seen in a long time. At least make an effort

mewhy324495d ago

Price is the biggest factor for the average buyer. The E3 debacle is a huge factor for the hardcore crowd, of which I am part of. Then there's the participation of microsoft in project prism and the inclusion of the kinect with it's camera and mic that microsoft requires you to take when you purchase the xbone. All these factors together account for a large part of microsoft's loss of market share.

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JohnnyTower4495d ago

I can almost feel the heat coming from the title of the article.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

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-Foxtrot2d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle2d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk771d 23h ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Relientk776d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster30007d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv727d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit6d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania7d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit6d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot076d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr7d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box7d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr6d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire957d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv727d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--7d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv726d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket7d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm6d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde6d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster926d ago (Edited 6d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_7d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted7d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit6d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster926d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT7d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers7d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz1497d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot076d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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