Nintendo Insider writes:
Just when you thought everything was back to normal, the Nintendo Network is once again experiencing issues in relation to both the Nintendo eShop and Miiverse services.
Nintendo is preparing to make some kind of announcement about the mysterious paid membership service.
I can’t wait to be disappointed. /s
Honestly I hope it’s great but I have my doubts.
If you expect disappointment then you get disappointment. I'll be interested in more details for sure but I'm not expecting anything grand. We know it'll be $20 a year which is a pretty good deal, there is some sort of free game per month like PS+ and XBL Gold so that'll be good, and then I'm expecting it to launch day and date with Smash Switch and possibly cloud saves attached like PS+ (but I'm not expecting it).
That's not true at all. Plenty of times I've been pleasantly surprised when I had low expectations. If you get disappointment, then it's because whatever it is you're getting IS disappointing.
If I expect disappointment I'll get disappointment. Not how that works actually I've been pleasantly surprised on many occasions expecting the worst. I expect some form of VC announcement possibly a subscription associated ala Netflix with virtual console. That would be grand.
I HOPE there's a voice chat solution other than what's been detailed.
I HOPE there's a detailed progression system wide system in place.
I'll GET none of that.
But we'll see if any of that comes to fruition I'll be pleasantly surprised after expecting disappointnent.
See how that works
@Sm00thNinja,
Hell the Switch itself is a prime example. I had very low expectations for it when it was first announced. So far I have been very pleasantly surprised with it.
I’m not holding my breath. Sony made various improvements to PSN before PS+ became an optional thing, and even moreso before it became a mandatory thing.
Nintendo on the other hand haven’t done much to improve NS’s online before the subscription service takes effect. The NS’s convoluted way of utilizing voice chat is even more proof.
It'd going to be a step up for sure. Hopefully they listen to fans feedback on what we like or don't like. They claim that the $20 will include a lot of value. We shall see.
Consider for a second they couldn't even have basic voice chat on a system that launched in 2017... (something Xbox OG did in 2001) this is going to suck.
Dude, it's not that cannot provide voice chat, they got the money and resources to implement these features and beyond. They just choose not to.
My only theory about why it's because the after all this is a Japanese company. Most of these features are appealing to western audience. You think the vast majority of Japanese like to do that? the games itself do not appeal their market so I can see why.
But now that they are trying to do this , you down them and not giving credit for? Cmon! at least let them announced before passing you judgement so fast.
Why would I give them credit when other systems have done it without an app (and better) over 15 years ago?
I expected this at launch. Waiting this long is embarrassing. The chat app is embarrassing.
There are more that just Japanese fans playing Nintendo games, the gaming world has a huge online focus now. This in unacceptable.
As the Switch’s launch day creeps closer, the excitement will mount to crazy levels, blowing away the intense cynicism we see now about: a barebones lineup, motion/audio gaming, and online that’s either confusing or just downright insulting.
It's definitely no Xbox Live or PlayStation Network that's for sure and it doesn't look like it's up to par to make people actually pay to use it
Oh you have already experienced it? Listen, it SOUNDS like a sub-par service but until we actually use it we won't know.
No moon man I haven't used it yet obviously but they have stated that they're going to not let you keep the rental game that you get per month so that's already a huge disadvantage for their service as Xbox Live and PSN give you at least two free games per system a month that are yours to keep as long as your a member so to me and to the rest of the world it's a subpar service but I would love to hear you explain to me how that's not
The fact that you need to use your phone to utilize common features that should be on the Switch Native, is a slap in the face.
Do this guy or the guy who wrote the article even know it's free for the first 3 months?
It's actually free for the first 7 months. They're going to launch the paid version of the service in the fall.
I was about to say, I think it's even longer than that , I think it's something like the start of 2018 or something like that that they start charging.
Well that's good. I just hope you don't need to provide your CC to sign up for those Free 3 (or 7 months).
While the online does seem really odd, and the idea of using a phone app for everything boggles my mind, Reggie did say that they were aiming to make their service very affordable for gamers. So I think assuming it's going to cost the same as PSN/XBL wouldn't be right. I'm thinking $25 per year sounds more believable. I do hope that the phone app can also eventually be used on the Switch itself though.
I'm hoping for $10 or less a year for that service. I'll bet it's at least $30 or more a year, knowing Nintendo.
Like they made the weak specced switch affordable?
The accessories affordable?
People need to finally wake up when it comes to Nintendo
@Darkkent
That's why I said, "I was hoping." We know it won't be that cheap. This is Nintendo. They rarely lower their game prices after 3 years on the market.
I have yet to see any confirmation at all. So yeah, if you have a source/link I would like to see it. All I have seen are websites seeing it *could* be $50 or $60.
It's even more of an insult that some people will even damage control this subpar service
Its not really an insult till we get more information.
1. Cost
2. Games offered
3. Strength of the service vs psn and xbl
4. Will it burn up my data faster than using miiotomo or pokemon go.
But looking at nintendos report card so far its looking like another way for nintendo to screw over its consumers. They look at how ms and sony are annually raking in $$$ from consumers and want in.
I expect the service to be inferior, games to be offered older than most millennials (rumored) all while being charged 50$ annually like others. Then and only then ill be insulted with laughter!
So having to use a smartphone to use basic features that should be in the console itself isn't an insult?
Charging for online when the company hasn't aggressively tried to improve the network prior to the conference isn't an insult?
The monthly free game situation is the great st insult of all.
-They're reportedly not giving away free NS, Wii U & 3DS titles.
- The titles won't even be classic N64, GCN, or Wii titles.
- They're only giving away one game per month and not multiple.
- The NES or SNES game will only be available for one month and then be gone from your account.
- Nintendo had a cheat sheet on how to operate from such service from IGC and GWG for years and they still chose to ignore it
The fact the console is close to a month away and we still don't have all the details yet is even more insulting. There's no way around it.
Evidentally i wasnt done writting yet... Read my closing argument lmao... Then give me back my agree!
That and we don't know what are all the launch games are going to be, details about the specs (give us something), and like you said really vague on the online part. I just don't understand but the diehards defend it to death. It really doesn't feel like it's launching in a month. Oh but it has Zelda at launch and that erases everything even though it skipped an entire generation.
All we know is that it will give us a free trial of a NES or SNES game for a month with some sort of online functionality. And that we will be able to join lobbies and whatnot through a smartphone app.
This isn't "zero", you're right, but it's not enough info to say that the service as a whole sucks and is an insult. Although those tidbits do sound pretty damn bad already.
I will be holding final judgment until Nintendo clarifies it all properly.
Nintendo Switch discussion is revving up as we prepare for the console's reveal, but can this 2017 handheld rise above the Wii U's mistakes? Here are five reasons, based on specs and price, why a second failure is possible.
I think Switch will be cool for a portable console, where Nintendo rules. But in term of home console thats another story and will have the worst version of 3rd party studios when the get the games. The lack of power is a reality.
Then again, it will sell millions and take the place of 3ds.
No.
All nintendo handhelds sold well, back in the day. But now it most definitely won't.
Since the advent of smartphones, and the availability of it (even 10 year olds are carrying powerful smartphones.) the mass production of free to play apps.
Now there is no need to get handhelds anymore. Especially if it doesn't fit easily in your pockets.
How do you know the Switch versions of everything will be the worst versions?
You're under the erroneous assumption that every single AAA game third parties make from here on out are going to be designed so that they only look or play well on the highest specs; that's simply not the case, especially with many JRPG's, which the Switch is going to get a good amount of thanks to the huge list of Japanese devs working on it.
I can guarantee you that, if rumors of ease-of-dev and the different engines it supports are true, it'll get games that look just as good as their counterparts, so long as devs aren't lazy about optimization.
Also, no, it's not taking the 3DS's place.
The 3DS isn't being phased out, but the Wii U is, and its specs being best while docked, it not getting direct ports of 3DS games, it focusing on core home console games, and it not having two-screens-at-once play, all show that it's not gunning to cannibalize 3DS sales, especially when the 3DS is still selling well and will probably get its own successor in the next couple of years.
Most will use it in the dock, where the power is best and the options are widest.
People might not want to accept it as a home console due to its specs because they think it will severely limit the system [despite reports claiming it's the easiest one to dev for and that no one's having issues with it like they did with the Wii U], but then again, people also forget that the weaker consoles of each gen have generally also been the ones to get the most support, with the PS4 being the exception to the rule.
How do you know the Switch versions of everything will be the worst versions? You must be joking. If the spec that were leaked are true, a console with 1 teraflop in 2017 what do you expect?
Monkey, you're such a fan boy in denial. Again you're here with lots of bla bla bla. Trying to convince yourself the Switch will have a better faith then the horrible failed Wii-u. Looking at all the LONG comments you posted you must be p!ss!ing your pants your so worried this gimmick of a toaster will fail.
The power has traditionally not really limited the weaker consoles from getting great games and/or sales each gen, with the Wii U being the exception, and many of the recent reports are stating that the Switch has architecture that makes it the easiest of the three to make ports for in terms of multiplats.
Those reports could be wrong, but the majority of them are positive, unlike before the Wii U launched, so it's unlikely that you're correct. The Switch is most likely not a second Wii U, and you should at least give it the chance to shine before writing it off.
Does the Wii U have Unreal Engine 4?
Does the Wii U runs the latest version of Unity, Vulkan, Open GL 4.5 and others gaming tools, engine and API.
Answer: NO.
The Nintendo Switch is more modern than the Wii U. In fact it;s the most modern system right now in terms of what it supports.
The Switch had way way way more Japanese support. It actually has the 3DS Japanese Publishers/Developers on board. And a few new ones such a From Software and same Wii U western support but with couple not there and few added such Bethseda.
Sorry but Japanese games alone isn't enough to win everyone. You'd be lying to yourself if you said the system doesn't need Red Dead, Final Fantasy, Battlefield etc.
P.S not everyone has a PC nor owns multiple systems. ;)
That's a bad comment I agree with the other guy did you see how many new ip square enix made for the 3ds, some with final fantasy name and others with a unique name......and just like dragon quest they sold.....so those games will continue with better graphics on the new handheld.........even grand theft auto was made for Nintendo handheld, so Nintendo handheld never had the issues its main console have....since all of japan will be on it since they love handhelds, Nintendo in a good spot to get games and like the other person said they will be good on Asian games but we have to see what western teams do
I am not everyone.
Since Battlefield 2 Modern Combat on PS2 I have always played Battlefield on PS.
I have no interest in Red Dead.
FF is Japanese franchise.
Unlike you I support multiple system.
You're lying to yourself if you think Japanese games aren't popular enough over here to be a huge benefit to the Switch.
People love games like Katamari Damaci, Final Fantasy [that's Japanese, so I dunno why you even bothered including it in your list.], Tales Of, and plenty of others.
P.S. The majority of people saying they "can't afford a second system" are just too lazy to save up a second time like they did the first.
If you can afford a $400+ PS4 Pro on top of an equally-priced PSVR, then I'm sorry, but you are not so poor that you cannot afford to save up for a $249 Switch.
Owning multiple systems is the best way to game. Anyone denying this without a logical reason, such as having lost their job recently or having acquired a ton more living expenses recently that take away from hobby money [such as a new child in the family], is little more than a loyalist, who IS missing out on a lot of games that they'd otherwise enjoy if they weren't so idiotically biased.
It's why I switched out from being purely Nintendo around the time the PS2 came out, and eventually got into gaming on PC's as well.
Gamers who are really serious about their hobby don't intentionally limit themselves to one console with bullshit excuses.
"Does the Wii U have Unreal Engine 4?
Does the Wii U runs the latest version of Unity, Vulkan, Open GL 4.5 and others gaming tools, engine and API.
Answer: NO."
You're right about that. But remember, the switch is now going up against the PS4 Pro and Xbox Scorpio. The Wii U went up against the PS3 and Xbox 360. See how that turned out? What makes a console successful? Its the gamers. If gamers cant get 3rd party games from the Switch, they will switch console (no pun intended) that will allow them to play 3rd party games. If the Switch is that under powered as a home console, it will repeat the same failure that the Wii U went through.
Wii U never went up against PS3 or X360. They media did. Same with how the media pitch 3DS first year against the PSP until the Vita came and saw the Vita being a failure and decided not to put 3DS vs Vita as a thing.
Switch is going up against basic PS4 and xbone, developers aren't going to focus on mid gen upgrades, just like they never do when handhelds do the same thing, they'll be used to make certain games run better/smoother. You're kidding yourself If you think developers are going to make the pro, and Scorpio they're main systems to develop on.
Funny you said the Switch is going up against the basic PS4 and Xbone because if the specs for the Switch are true, they its still weaker then both those systems.
Lol, there's a difference between people announcing support and actually supporting it.
That's what happened to the wiiu. All these publishers came out and said they will support it. Only to flop later on.
There were also a lot of developers out there, before the Wii U released, claiming the system's specs were horrible. Some from EA especially.
The Switch isn't seeing or hearing those complaints, and is in fact not only seeing the opposite of complaints, but is actually getting lots of compliments on top of MANY more devs than the Wii U had.
The Wii U is in the past. Assuming the Switch will be the same when the signs point to it being in a better position, is more than a little naive.
Nintendo will have to be careful with the price since most people will see it as just another Nintendo handheld
Most advanced piece of tech????.... As far as a handheld... Sure... As far as a home console... Not by a long shot. The ps4 had like what 1.8 tf with 8gb of ram... In 2013... The switch is rumored to have 4 gb of ram and near 1 tf of power in 2017... My reason for stating all this is that the switch cant compete with the ps4 or xb1 because its the size of a tablet! Had they made a traditional console maybe we could talk shop. But they went for their cashcow the handheld because their home console market went sour. How anyone could think the switch would be able to pull off all these amazing feats the 8th gen consoles are, are only making themselves look foolish.
Wonderfulmonkeyman:
I think youre forgetting sony is leading the pack on small factor consoles. They are the masterminds at making a console thats unbelievablely small for the tech inside the box. Forget about the 2013 ps4. Lets look at the 2016 xb1s and ps4s (you know, those consoles that released a few months ago?). Both of these companies have done everything in their power to one up the competition. Do you think if sony or ms could make a system the size of a tablet and still be powerful they would? Im not saying the switch wont be powerful for what it is. Its probably the most advanced handheld to date. But you and i both know nintendo is not going for bleeding edge tech. They want it to be affordable 1st, meaning they wont lose $ day one, 2nd they want a wow factor to reel in casuals and mellinials, and third they consider power. As neither of us has a crystal ball i can only make an assumption from past nintendo choices spanning 30 years but recently in the past 10 years and how small that device is how well it will garner third party support. As that seems to be the BIGGEST concern about nintendo moving forward. But the biggest problem isnt will it be powerful enough, its will nintendo fans rush out to buy the dark souls and call of dutys... If the answer is no 1-2 years from now, you have a bigger problem within nintendo than worrying about power. I hope for nintendos sake they are successful with the switch. Because if its another wiiu scenario i fret for the future of your fav piece of plastic.
If its comparable to current consoles i will buy it but if its a wii u case again, count me out, i bought the wii u launch day and was collecting dust fo 8 months till i decided to sell it!!!
In Japan consumers want more portable gaming devices. Younger gamers tend to want this as they dont have a lot of time at home they seem to always be on the go and when on the go they are riding in the back seat doing nothing, but older gamers e.a. Adults which makes up the majority of gamers, arent. When we are not at home we are at work we dont have a lot of time on the go to play games and we traditional powerful home consoles, not gimped mobile devices. Nintendo was never about the most powerful hardware they have always been about middle of the road, just good enough hardware to make fun games. The Snes wasnt the most powerful, but with its custome chips and techniques they were able to make it seem more powerful at the time. They're idea of fun games hasnt changed and thats the real problem.
Nintendo has been around a long time they are over 100yrs old as a company so they do make right moves, they do make good games but I grew tired of Mario and other signature franchises long ago. Mario sunshine was the last Mario game I played and it was fun but got boring fast.
Nintendo needs to change to some degree or they wont be around another 100yrs.
You seem to forget the fact that not only is the Switch seeing far more praise from devs than the Wii U, but that it's also supporting modern engines, including the full console/PC version of Unreal 4, not the mobile version.
That and the fact that many of the negative rumors of its specs are based off of the July dev kits, which were older and less powerful than the ones sent out in October.
Also, the strongest system of each gen has not generally won, PS4 being the exception to the rule.
If you honestly think that the Switch won't be a capable machine that will host and handle great home console games in a satisfactory manner, you yourself are the foolish one. Moreso because you underestimate how advanced smaller tech like the Switch will use has become, than for any other reason.
I think youre forgetting sony is leading the pack on small factor consoles. They are the masterminds at making a console thats unbelievablely small for the tech inside the box. Forget about the 2013 ps4. Lets look at the 2016 xb1s and ps4s (you know, those consoles that released a few months ago?). Both of these companies have done everything in their power to one up the competition. Do you think if sony or ms could make a system the size of a tablet and still be powerful they would? Youre acting like as ONLY nintendo has the ability to make great tech with nano technology. Im not saying the switch wont be powerful for what it is. Its probably the most advanced handheld to date. But you and i both know nintendo is not going for bleeding edge tech. They want it to be affordable 1st, meaning they wont lose $ day one, 2nd they want a wow factor to reel in casuals and mellinials, and third they consider power. As neither of us has a crystal ball i can only make an assumption from past nintendo choices spanning 30 years but recently in the past 10 years and how small that device is how well it will garner third party support. As that seems to be the BIGGEST concern about nintendo moving forward. But the biggest problem isnt will it be powerful enough, its will nintendo fans rush out to buy the dark souls and call of dutys... If the answer is no 1-2 years from now, you have a bigger problem within nintendo than worrying about power. I hope for nintendos sake they are successful with the switch. Because if its another wiiu scenario i fret for the future of your fav piece of plastic.
Come on Nintendo, fix this asap. The Christmas problems were acceptable (after all, it was Christmas and lots of people were getting Wii U's and 3DS's), but this is getting a bit crazy now. There's no reason why the servers should be going down now (apart from late presents or something lol).
I haven't been having any problems in NA
But eh, I don't wanna see what the Pokemon bank full release is gonna do.
Take your time, Nintendo.
they really didn't anticipate larger volumes of users on Christmas
Everyone calm down its working perfectly fine for me, and as I read its fine for everyone. If you don't believe me http://www.nintendo.com/con...