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Last Gen vs. Next Gen Graphics: Halo 4 vs. Killzone Shadow Fall

Karam Elahi from SpawnFirst writes: "In our "Last Gen vs. Next Gen Graphics" feature, we pit the best late-in-the-lifecycle game of our choosing from the previous gen, to as similar a title as we can find in the next gen line-up. We’re not restricted to one console line, as in this series PS3 vs. Xbox One, Xbox 360 vs. PS4, PS3 vs. PS4, and Xbox 360 vs. Xbox One graphics comparisons are all fair game. We post up decent in-game and some in-engine cinematic shots of both games, and we leave the decision all to you as to which game looks better."

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Kayant4537d ago

Seriously where do you get these screen shots from? These are damn awful and compressed to death especially KZ:SF. Doesn't do either real justice.

KZ:SF - https://pbs.twimg.com/media... http://www.abload.de/img/po...

Halo 4 - http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid... http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

More KZ:SF --> http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Halo 4 --> http://www.videogamer.com/x...

Irishguy954537d ago (Edited 4537d ago )

Killzone rapes Halo always in the graphics department. But never in the gameplay department. At best it has equaled Halo(Killzone 2) and that was only once. I find Halo 4 to be below the rest of the halo's too though(Yeah even with better graphics :/ ). And won't be surprised if Halo 5 is.

Edit - Killzone 2 was the only Killzone with that feeling. Killzone 3 and SF through it away. GG admitted to it. Because casual cod players didn't like that feeling. GG have really lost their minds with what they're up too now. Although it's not surprising. Instead of adding some new to killzone they added bullet time and seeing through walls. Slow clap for them.

WeAreLegion4537d ago

I prefer Killzone's game play, but they're very different games. Tribes was Halo before Halo and it still plays better, IMO.

vishmarx4537d ago

halo is obvously inferior to SF...
but not KZ 2 lol no.
even though KZ 2 is prolly the best fps of the last gen

ForgottenProphecy4537d ago

I'd disagree. I just like the realistic, heavy feel of Killzone

@vishmarx
Do you mean superior, not inferior?

combatcash4537d ago

Halo Reach IMO was more impressive visually than killzone.

AndrewLB4537d ago

I'm pretty sure those killzone screenshots on his page are not the final retail graphics.

mikeslemonade4537d ago

Never seen Halo 4 but Halo Reach and Halo 3 were two of the worst graphics of last generation in comparison to highly rated games.

Some other bad looking last gen games were:
Crackdown
GTA4
Saints Row

A better comparison would be COD or BF of last generation to Kilzone.

TheGreatAndPowerful4537d ago

>Killzone rapes Halo always in the graphics department but never in the gameplay department.

and yet Halo 4's MP is basically dead right now. heh

assdan4537d ago

I honestly don't understand halo's appeal. I've always hated it whenever I played it. The environments seem empty, the graphics are OK, and the gameplay is horendous. People literally never die in multiplayer.

PeaSFor4537d ago

Halo rely way WAY too much on aim assist for me, everything is sticky when they cross your reticle.

Mosiac774537d ago

Killzone in no way rapes Halo. Killzone has had many opportunities to be a great FPS games and has missed that every time. Where they went wrong was when they called Killzone 1 the halo killer. You never want to compare your games with a master piece or it will hunt you forever. The designs and graphics of KZ are alway good even KZ1 for being a PS2 game, but we're they fall short are on gameplay, voice acting and multiplayer. And believe me I always have hopes for this franchise. I've played every KZ hoping that it will come close to How fun Halo is but you can't replace the one that started it all. It just like God of War, how many have try to copy them and always fail. Stay away from the masters path.

joab7774537d ago

This article is stupid. I played them both through 2x each and the multi extensively. Wasnt a big fan of either sp, but gameplay wise, I like halo sp story and SF multi.

Graphics wise...don't spend time looking at screenshots of different gens. Play them and u will realize that it isn't even a discussion. Killzone Shadowfall is one of the best looking next gen console games to date. Yeah, halo 4 looked good on the 360 but lets hav this discussion when halo 5 releases. Though one of the ppl resposible for halo 4's good looks now works for Naughty Dog!

Azmatik4537d ago

Im so sick of screen shot comparisons screen shit never count u dont see it in motion and when u do see it in motion thats when u see all the jaggies from the AA and the true graphics. I can take a screenshot of one of the oldest games and itl make it look good.

TheGrimReaper4537d ago (Edited 4537d ago )

@Mosaic:
Learn WHO called KZ 1 a Halo killer, come back again ;)

I like KZ more than Halo, it's a more grounded sci-fi approach imho.
BUT one thing which KZ really lacks: Coop SP!
So much fun playing Halo with a buddy next to you!

OT: Yeah, let's compare games from two different gens! -.-"
If you want to show the improvements, compare it to KZ3...

VforVideogames4537d ago

HALO rapes KZ in every department last and new gen hands down. but by the way this article its stupid.

Utalkin2me4537d ago

@VforVideogames

Says the kid that has never played KZ obviously.

ChrisW4537d ago

Which of those screen shots are actually CGI?

Muffins12234537d ago (Edited 4537d ago )

Not any of its art desighn,it dose not..killzone has great graphics but like many comments about it,its been called a grey fest,ugly,and dull looking.K SF looks amazing and did a better job this time with its style especially in like the forest level but it still dose not have 343s talent in making the games scenery look amazing like halo 4s levels.It never game me any jaw droppin moments like halo 4 or other halos did.

mikeslemonade4537d ago

sigh.. Halo fans are as bad as Nintendo fans. All they do is say "Halo rapes ________" without any facts. Debating with kids are the worst.

badz1494537d ago

why is this comparison even surfaced? Halo 4 is not even the best looking game last gen and it even looks inferior compared to KZ2/KZ3. and suddenly comparison to KZSF seems warranted? Halo has its great side, sure, but graphic is NOT one of it!

hazardman4537d ago

IdK I feel like shadow fall hit the sweet spot gameplay wise for me of the 4.

Ps4Console4536d ago (Edited 4536d ago )

KillZone's graphics were good but there is nothing new in the game we haven't seen before sadly it's average at best graphics are brilliant but we want new gameplay .

snoopgg4536d ago

Halo 4 graphics are no where close. Killzone 3 graphics on the ps3 blows them away. As far as halos gameplay, that game was only good when there were no other fps out there to play. The only people keeping that franchise going are kids.

saber000054536d ago

I've played all of Halo games, and I've played Killzone. I personally like Killzone better. It's not overly hyped compared to Halo. Just my opinion. I actually enjoyed KZ's campaign a lot. They brought a LOT of new gameplay stuff that I've never seen or played before. Perfect example is the falling maps. It was EPIC.

But hey, that's just my two cents. ;)

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karamsoul4537d ago

To be consistent, 1280x720 screenshots were used for both games.

Stick894537d ago

Lolz?

Let's take an advantage one side has and completely disregard it so that it looks more like the other one...sweet logic bro.

gigoran4537d ago

karamsoul, that's a pathetic excuse. To be consistent? You're comparing a previous generation of technology to the current generation. You don't do a comparison of an old vhs copy of star wars to a bluray version and dumb it down. This certainly will be the last of your posts that I read.

karamsoul4537d ago

I'll switch em up. Thanks for the feedback.

assdan4537d ago

This isnt a proper comparison if one of the games is in a smaller resution than it should be. That's like taking the turbo out of a car in a street race because the other cars don't have one.

N0gg1nsh0tz4537d ago

I just inspected the screenshots from the article and Hillzone's ones are 1080p resolution. Halo's are 720p. I like halo but, it doesn't beat Killzone: SF in graphics. Not sure about other aspects of the game but i'll find out when i get my PS4. (When i manage to get one :/) Stop trolling and go back to 9gag.

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ATi_Elite4537d ago

I can't wait to see Contra NES vs. KZ:SF PS4

If you are gonna compare something then Compare KZ:Sf to BF4 PS4

Gr1mmyshadows4537d ago

No comparison. Contra is way more fun than any KZ

SilentNegotiator4537d ago

The Halo series hasn't been exceptional graphics wise since TWO generations ago. What a dumb comparison.

A better comparison would have been KZ3 and KZ:SF.

showtimefolks4537d ago

Killzone is the only FPS where i can play online and do well, COD just sucks with campers and BF series has a huge learning curve

Never tried halo so can't give my honest opinion. KZ2 and Resistance 2-8 player co-op are the best FPS online games i have played last gen

i am mostly into single player games

AyeUMadBro4536d ago (Edited 4536d ago )

You are all clearly missing the point here. A game looking better is not about how each texture pops in the character or environments. As a fan of both franchises. All of you don't realize that developers have to fit as much as they can in a game with the hardware they have. So comparing KZSF and H4 are terrible but comparing it to KZ2&3 and H4 are more appropriate.

I personally think Halo looks more impressive, even though Killzone has better texture and detail, any game could look better if all you have to do is fit so much detail into basically a corridor shooter. Halo has much more open environments in comparison, way more enemies on screen, vehicles that are air and ground, 4 player co-op, etc. All of these factors take away from a texture or two that could go into the game, but these factors make a game more impressive to me visually because it has to accomplish all of these tasks while at the same time trying to look good and add as much detail doing it. So of course Killzone is going to look better in terms of detail, it doesn't have to perform any of the tasks I mentioned above about Halo. I'm pretty sure Killzone would lag pretty badly if it had as much going on on-screen as Halo did while trying to maintain the visuals it has. Killzone just lacks to much in variety just to look good. I would much rather drive a vehicle, play co-op, and have forge mode rather than some good looking character models. Anyone would agree that is a better experience.

I like Killzone and have almost every trophy but I don't love it as much as Halo. The Halo universe is so big and there is so much to do in Halo compared to Killzone. That's what makes Halo a much more overall and impressive experience.

thisismyaccount4536d ago

On a technical level

Killzone > Halo 4

On a graphical level

You either like it or not the look&Feel of Killzone, i personally don´t because my assoziation with the Franchise-Killzone is this :

http://s2.n4g.com/media/11/...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

and certainly not this futuristic approach in SF

http://www.destructoid.com/...

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Gabenbrah4537d ago

Halo 4 looks astonishing for current-gen, I can only imagine what 343i will achieve on the Xbox One.

lets_go_gunners4537d ago

I still wonder how they managed to put that much detail into the enemies on a system running on less than 512 mb ram.

Are_The_MaDNess4537d ago

texture streaming my man. texture streaming. nothing more to it.

ProjectSeoul4537d ago

Apparently they had one of the best programmers in the business, so that helped a lot with the graphics. Sad news is that she left 343i, the good news is that she went to Naughty Dog. But don't expect the next halo game to look too amazing in terms of graphics, but that doesnt stop me from getting excited about the next Halo

DigitalRaptor4537d ago

Corrinne Yu, is your answer. She's now at Naughty Dog.

You win some, you lose some.

ELCUCO4537d ago

Not much since Corrine Yu jumped over to Naughty Dog.

Gabenbrah4537d ago (Edited 4537d ago )

You do realize she would of complete the new engine for Halo 5 since she would of been working on it for at least a year now not to mention 1 employee out of the 343 at 343i which consist of Naughty Dog employees as well is hardly a dent on Halo 5.

ELCUCO4537d ago

No dispute on the engine work, but hardly a dent is severly under appreciating her work. You must not understand the significance of her work at 343. All that is praised of Halo 4 graphics was a direct reflection of what she has accomplished.

On lighting alone, MS filed a software patent based on the techniques that she was applying to Halo 4.

beerzombie4536d ago

That is a big time loss. she is considered the best if not the best engine builder on the planet.

WeAreLegion4537d ago

Why does this exist? Let's forget about the vast graphical gap between the titles for a second. No conclusion was reached. No article was written. He posted photos and a title for hits. Ban this crap!

karamsoul4537d ago

This piece is categorized as "screenshot", NOT opinion or article.

Prime1574536d ago

Look, I understand. I get it as I took this submission's title and went, "who does this? Is this a joke?"

I know you won't agree with me and that is fine, and maybe part of me still wants to believe in honesty and integrity so I will understand my disagrees. Maybe that makes me naive... However, I just wonder if maybe, JUST MAYBE, this author Was a fan of both games and genuinely comparing the two in a POSITIVE light. That really IS possible.

It really is.

karamsoul4536d ago

It is. I love both games. :)

BillytheBarbarian4537d ago

People will be disappointed with nextgen if all they care about is graphics. It's not the leap forward people think it should be.

Racing games on Dreamcast still look good compared to the latest forza. They can do nice things with particle effects and physics now and there is more environment interaction. That will continue. But a car is a car.

Software_Lover4537d ago

Merry Christmas. Who is winning the fantasy league

BillytheBarbarian4537d ago

You too man. Degeneral looks to win with Jamaal Charles scoring crazy numbers every week. I ended in 4th place. We'll make sure you're in it next year!

mhunterjr4537d ago (Edited 4537d ago )

This guy is a complete joke. First the completely unscientific comparison between TLOU and DR3 (he's illogical reasoning being that both games have 'zombies'), now this.

Why not compare killzone:SF to a last gen game with a similar scope and art direction... I dunno... something like KILLZONE 3 for Christs sake!!!

How can you get an accurate representation of the generation shift when you keep compairing totally unrelated titles? Again, this guy is a joke.

Next, let's compare Resogun to Mass Effect 3. Why not? They both have space ships!

Shadonic4537d ago

How do you compare the graphics of an open world game to that of a more linear based one ? logically TLOU would have better visuals.

mhunterjr4537d ago

Not to mention the open world game has several hundreds of procedurally generated enemies onscreen at once.... Nope, the fact that both games have zombie-like enemies makes those points invalid...

ziggurcat4537d ago

DR3 and TLoU are both 3rd person survival games. KZ and halo are both 1st person shooters... How are they not related?

And they have compared KZ: SF to KZ3:

http://n4g.com/news/1400347...

mhunterjr4536d ago (Edited 4536d ago )

Man, anyone who knows ANYTHING about game design would understand the technical reasons why these are invalid comparisons. The genre of the game is not what determines it's potential graphical output. It's the scope.

Why would you compare a linear corridor shooter to an open world game? The features that tax the system are going to differ vastly. Why would you compare character models between a game that has <10 onscreen characters to one that has to deal with >400? Obviously, the one with fewer will have more detailed models. Why compare the textures between a game that loads new ones for every scene, and a game that has to stream them all in on the fly? There are so many reasons why the comparison makes no sense.

The same goes for Halo and Killzone. The scopes of the games are totally different. Killzone has one of the tightest fields-of-view ever in a FPS. That allows for greater detail, as their are less items onscreen at once. It also historically had tighter encounters with fewer enemies at once. Halo's engine had to account for a much wider FOV, as the game is played from the 3rd person perspective much of the time, and with vehicles, characters are moving at much higher rate of speed. There are also many more enemies on screen at once. From a technical standpoint these games are doing completely different things with the hardware.

It just makes so much more sense to compare games that are more technically related of your trying to compare next gen to current gen.

PS: that comparison you posted isn't from SpawnFirst.

mhunterjr4536d ago (Edited 4536d ago )

Forgot to mention Halo's graphical engine has to allow for four player split screen and dynamic physics. There's simply no logical reason to compare these two graphical engines.

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Halo art director leaves studio after 17 years with ominous message alluding to discontent

Glenn Israel writes: "As of today and after seventeen long years, I am officially no longer contributing to the Halo universe. There is little more I can say for the moment, though I intend to share this particular story in its entirety when it is absolutely safe to do so next year. In the meantime, I have a message for anyone and everyone who needs to hear it.

I know that the state of our industry seems dire, but never forget that you are *free to choose*. No illusion of security nor promise of wealth or fame or power is worth trading away your health, your dignity, your ethics or values - and no one can force you to. Stay strong, take evidence when necessary, and find where you belong."

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Bathyj230d ago

My god.
There's a story for next year.

VenomUK230d ago

I’m really disappointed to learn there are still people/morale problems. I thought the whole point of rebranding 343i to Halo Studios was to signal that real changes had been made - not to cynically rebrand to paper over the problems.

I really hope the Halo CE remake is great and gets people hyped for the future of the series.

DarXyde230d ago

It's inevitable with the modern landscape. Even if some issues have been assuaged, new ones crop up all the time.

I'm willing to bet AI and the lack of regulation is causing substantial upset.

shinXseijuro230d ago (Edited 230d ago )

He said something very marking . We tend to complain a lot about the industry but deep down I realize that we never have we been offered this crazy amount of games all available for you to play now . You can literally play any sorts of games in 2025 . Nobody is forcing you to buy the latest COD or the latest BF . You’re more of a 8 bit cozy gaming guy there’s a whole niche of modern games for that . You like micromanaging there’s games for that . I feel like we have been spoiled so much we just stopped being realistic and thinking for ourselves . We follow trends cry about stuff online when you are the buyer you have the power .

Notellin230d ago

I'm not buying any games until another Immersive sim is made.

PhillyDonJawn230d ago

....wth happened over there?
Does this confirm a new Halo by next year?
What did they want him to do that made him feel it was morally wrong or a insult to his integrity?

-Foxtrot230d ago

Well how about that, a name change doesn’t fix internal issues

Who would have thought

jznrpg230d ago

MS was throwing money around for a long time but now it’s time to pay the Piper.

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Halo 4 & Halo 5: Guardians Sales Reached Nearly 10 Million Units Worldwide

Lifetime sales of 343 Industries' first-person shooters, Halo 4 and Halo 5: Guardians, reached nearly 10 million units worldwide each.

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Sciurus_vulgaris321d ago

There were reports that Halo 4 and Halo 5 had similar sales to Halo: Reach years ago. The clickbait websites and rage bait YouTubers from 2012-2016 just wanted to spread excessive negativity about the franchise for their own benefit.

VenomUK320d ago

What did Halo: Infinite sell?

Sciurus_vulgaris319d ago

I don’t know. However, I would assume around 10 million. All the Halo FPS titles have done around 10 million sales, except ODST. Halo 3, was reported to exceed 14 million copies. I still remember back in 2007-2008, Halo 3 and COD 4 would duke it out for the most played XBL game.

MrNinosan319d ago

@Sciurus

There is NO WAY Infinite sold 10 million. Wake up dude.
Once upon a time, there was gamers on the Xbox side who actually bought games. Those times are since long gone.

Infinite has most likely not even hit 5 million sales

slate91320d ago

Nearly 10 million units and killing the brand is crazy work. Nicely done.

peppeaccardo319d ago

This New: Putting chocolate chips on top of a freshly made dog turd .....

1Victor320d ago

So let me get this straight in almost 13 years both games sold a combined 10 millions units.
Now I’m not going to use the obscured mentality and compared it to the amount of consoles sold and say it’s a failure 🤷🏿

thesoftware730319d ago (Edited 319d ago )

1Victor,

Halo 4 and Halo 5: Guardians, reached nearly 10 million units worldwide "each."

Read it again, there is a word in there that clears up your misunderstanding.

1Victor319d ago

@thesoftware720
I apologize I skimmed through the article and the headline blinded me and stuck in my mind thank you for the correction 👍👍

AuraAbjure319d ago (Edited 319d ago )

Halo 4 is the best multiplayer ever! It’s even better than Titanfall 2. I admit Halo 4 got CoDified but there’s nothing wrong with taking inspiration from other games sometimes and halo 4 did it sooooo well with that speed boost plus sword combo and SAW plus damage booth combo, holy guacamole 🥑

Some crucial improvements to halo 4 could’ve been to boost the power of the AA sentinel, and whenever matchmaking pits people against each other with an armor abilities turned off completely then the map needs to routinely spawn, plentiful, predictable, power weapons. Also, all frame rate drops are unacceptable for a halo game during split-split screen or couch co-op. Just dynamically scale the resolution of the game down but whatever happens don’t let the framer dip in a Halo game for the love of all that is holy and good!

My personal gameplay of getting 30 kills in a 4 v. 4 game of team slayer up to 60.

https://youtu.be/ZYDvior_K-...

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OG Destiny artist recalls Bungie’s “disgruntled” reaction to Halo 4’s art style change

Original Destiny artist Darren Bacon recalls how Bungie reacted to the art style change of Halo 4 by 343 Industries.

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Tacoboto402d ago

Bungie at that time became the most wonderful bunch of hypocrites in the gaming industry. Knowing this now, gosh the entitlement they felt was out of this world.

Nothing like buying yourself from Microsoft because you don't want to be the Halo Studio anymore, and the FIRST THING you do is sign your next IP over to Activision, for a DECADE, while they are in the middle of ousting the heads of Infinity Ward so they can exert even more control over COD while screwing out the devs at IW...

Should've come as no surprise then that Activision gutted the content of Destiny 1 before launch and was a horrible partner through Destiny 2, until history repeated itself and Bungie had to split from Activision only to wind up in the arms of another major conglomerate that also doesn't know how to handle these unmanageable devs.

Profchaos402d ago

Tti their credit they praised the technical abilities of 343 and I remember at the time thinking halo 4 was a huge graphical leap above reach everything else was rubbish when I actually got to play it but there was no doubt it looked good for the 360 and is probably the best looking game on the system.

But ultimately I think bungie has always had a leadership problem and going independent ultimately proved this it's only getting worse with studio heads being outed by Sony for abuse allegations seems like all bungies past success has been in spite of management not because of it.

But really I think the bungie we have today is not the same one we had in that Xbox era of Bungie

PhillyDonJawn402d ago

I liked the artstyle change. For the most part. Something looked worse but most of everything else looked better. Weapons and vehicles for sure. The wraith come to my mind instantly.
And how can they get mad when the bungie changed it with Halo Reach?

Sciurus_vulgaris401d ago

I know a lot of people dislike Halo 4’s arts style, but there’s thing about it I like and dislike. Personally, the Halo 4 design of Master Chief’s armour is my favourite depiction of the character’s armour.