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Phil Spencer responds to PS4 and Xbox One GPU differences

Microsoft’s Phil Spencer has issued a response when asked if the GPU differences between the PS4 and Xbox One would lead to negative long-term consequences for Microsoft’s new console.

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NewMonday4557d ago (Edited 4557d ago )

"Ryse: Son of Rome and Forza Motorsport 5 we are delivering experiences that demonstrate the power capable only on Xbox One"

sorry but they actually demonstrate the limits of the XB1, Ryse is only 900 and runs under 30fps, on Forza5 everything other then the cars are statice, baked lighting, no day/night cycle no different weather conditions, low texture resolution.

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BallsEye4557d ago

ryse can be 300p on paper for all I care but the actual game look better than 1080p without AA. http://www.gamepur.com/file... next gen scaler + aa can do wonders. Ryse is still best looking launch game when it comes to graphics. Falls short on gameplay.

Omegasyde4557d ago

Have you see killzone shadowfall outside of youtube videos?

Visiblemarc4557d ago

Yeah, I'll also recommend seeing Shadow Fall in person, but even still, the question isn't whether Ryse looks good, but rather whether it would have looked better on PS4...the answer is yes.

The PS4 is hands down more powerful. Doesn't mean xb1 isn't a good choice for fans of that ecosystem though. Just wish people would stop trying to undermine the massive gpu and ram differences.

UncleGermrod4557d ago

I have to agree, ryse really is the nicest next gen release. its hard to argue. i mean killzone looks amazing, and the sci-fi environments allows for some really cool settings that help to better showcase some of the new lighting techniques. but all in all, i think ryse takes the cake here. also, from what i have read/known for a while now is that FPS games often have an easier time with crafting environments etc, since they do not need to render the players character at all times.

DigitalRaptor4557d ago (Edited 4557d ago )

I take it you haven't seen Killzone Shadow Fall running on a 1080p display? Even the biased guys at Polygon claimed KZ looks better than Ryse.

TheGrimReaper4557d ago

@BallsEye:

"next gen scaler"

you know that Crytek isn't using the hardware scaler? They are using their own algorithms for scaling (software based scaling). Which looks way better than the hardware scaling as you can read on several sites...

Metfanant4557d ago

"Next gen scaler" my ass...every AMD GCN graphics card comes with the same hardware scaler...that means the PS4 has the exact same scaler built into its GPU...

Also...Ryse does not use the hardware scaler because presumably Crytek is the only developer making a game for the Xbone that understands that the ridiculously over sharpened images of BF4, CoD, and KI on the Xbone look AWFUL so they used their own solution...

You probably still think the "HANA" chip did the magic scaling on the 360, and that "HANA 2" is the magic on the Xbone right?...

DevilishSix4557d ago

noone cares about graphics when gameplay sucks so hard.

Pintheshadows4557d ago

As I said before, you really need to get those balls out of your eyes.

dantesparda4557d ago

Yeah Ballseye, a fanboy like you would think the MS game would look better. But the reality is the PS4 would have made this game look even better, it probably would have at least ran at 1080/30. And KZ is a better looking game. And like all the other guys have said, it doesnt even use the hardware scaler but rather a software scaler and even Digital Foundry says the over sharpening of the X1 scaler looks horrible. And p.s. both systems have the same exact scaler, the only difference is the software MS uses for it. Now get a grip

Sarcasm4557d ago (Edited 4557d ago )

Yeah funny you should mention 1080p without AA, that's Forza 5. Even NBA 2K14 on the X1 is 1080p no AA.

While ALLLLLLLL PS4 games have 1080p with AA.

ThanatosDMC4557d ago

Wow, if you think that's good then... nvm, not worth it.

baodeus4557d ago

But KZ doesn't have dynamic shadow or better AA like MSAA (they used an updated version of temporal AA calling it TSSAA) either. They still use pre-calculated lighting and bake shadow (GG said so themselves in digital foundry article articles so dont take my word from it).

And since you guys are so concerned with 1080p/60fps, as well as high rated exclusive, why dont u guys go get the WII u instead because it does have more games running at 1080/60fps and have higher rated exclusives than both Xbox one and ps4?

Better yet, save some money and a PC so you dont have to keep fighting over mediocre specs?

Sony even advertise Diabo 3 expansion will only ran at 1080p on PS4, is a little pathetic attempt to sell the 1080p craze. I can tell you one thing, Diablo 3 and starcraft alike doesn't sell well air become so popular because of resolution. It it because it can be played on many different spec, even on laptop without dedicated graphic cards, therefore a lot more people can play and enjoy the game.

Looks at Ryse and KZ rating, does graphic help them get better rating? it doesn't, so what is the point?

ovnipc4557d ago

To omega, yes i have ks and ryse and ryse looks wayyyyyyyy better than any other game out there. I own both systems and the xone feels next gen when the ps feels like a ps3.5. Xbox one its the real next gen.

SmielmaN4556d ago

KZ:SF is the best looking launch game. As far as "$20 and under crap" as someone earlier posted, Resogun is amazing and fun to play. Downloadable games are awesome and they break up the AAA stuff. Keep Ryse, I'll keep the PS4.

UltimateMaster4556d ago (Edited 4556d ago )

At least with Phil Spencer, when he says something, he rarely backs down or do a 180.
Could be the only consistent PR working there.

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aaron58294557d ago

If Ryse and Forza 5 can produce these graphics...

I'm really excited to see how Gran Turismo 7 and the new Uncharted gonna look like on the PS4 !

deadfrag4557d ago

You dont need them,i think Infamous S.S actually looks and does better technical than Ryse.Infamous S.S effects and textures seem way better than Ryse not to mention that in terms of fluidity its miles better.

u got owned4557d ago (Edited 4557d ago )

@deadfrag

I think Infamous has impressive lighting effects, but its textures are nothing to brag about.

http://www.gamersyde.com/po...

dantesparda4557d ago

You're kidding right? Those textures are very clean and very high res. You're bugging guy

Raiden4556d ago

@ Aaron5829
Good point, what MS should have done was release Forza 5 at the same time as GT seven at the same time, but GT is not ready is it. Also i wonder how many Forza games will be released before we see GT eight?

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Ranma14557d ago

Graphics should not be the main thing we concentrate on.

Quality games are more important.

Remember the black and white bad graphics Gameboy vs the full colour Sega Game Gear?

NewMonday4557d ago

yes and I hated the GB for it, Game Gear all the way.

dcj05244557d ago

Yeah and game hear was more fun.

Ranma14557d ago (Edited 4557d ago )

I would take a JRPG with crap graphics but everything else great, over Forza, Gran Turismo, COD e.t.c anyday

Devs I think should concentrate on Graphics LAST

KonsoruMasuta4557d ago (Edited 4557d ago )

I don't know what you guys are smoking. The Gear was horrible. Hardly any 3rd party support and most of the games were master system ports.

AgitatedOcelot4557d ago (Edited 4557d ago )

Yes, lets remove graphics from the games entirely and go back to MUDs and text adventures. Zork here I come! Oh my god the gameplay, the wonderful wonderful gameplay!

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JsonHenry4557d ago

This sounds like a memorized marketing pitch. He didn't answer anything.

iiwii4557d ago

I thought the same thing. I guess they are trying to think up new buzz words to describe the system. But once it's taken apart, you pretty much know what you've got.

solar4557d ago

hey the PS4 is a "SuperCharged PC". and the PS3 was supposed to be capable of "4D".

everything a console manufacturer you take with a single, minute, grain of salt...or more like sugar power.

MysticStrummer4557d ago

"Ryse: Son of Rome and Forza Motorsport 5 we are delivering experiences that demonstrate the power capable only on Xbox One"

Interesting that both of those titles saw noticeable downgrades before release.

Lowsnamebrand4557d ago

i give you a bubble for being "REAL"

Hercules1894557d ago

Can someone point out the Ryse downgrades, I see nothing but upgrades.

dantesparda4557d ago (Edited 4557d ago )

Umm, lets see, where should i start? Well first there was the downgrade from 1080p to 900p, which btw if you didnt know, is 44% to 56% reduction in pixels (downgrade!). Then they lowered the poly count on your main character from a supposed 150K to 85K (almost half the polys cut!). Then they couldnt even achieve a constant 30fps, the game frequently dips into the 20s, do i need to say more? Or are you still not convinced that the game has been downgraded from its initial debut?

badz1494557d ago

@Hercules189

if going from 1080p (E3) to 900p (retail) is not a downgrade to you, I don't know what else is.

Hercules1894557d ago

Please dont be that guy. I'm talking beyond resolution. I'm talking about the whole picture, did they reduce the foliage or the lighting or super detailed textures, except for that meaninglessly high polycount then no they didn't, they upgraded more than they downgraded.

AgitatedOcelot4557d ago (Edited 4557d ago )

An interview with Microsoft must be the most frustrating thing in the world...

Interviewer: What do you say to critics who say that your console is underpowered?

Microsoft: Why yes, thank you for noticing that the Xbox One is the most powerful console ever. Have you heard about the cloud, with it it becomes one billion times more powerful than a Texas instruments TI-83!

Interviewer: Um you didn't answer the question, and none of that is actually true...

Microsoft: Hahaha! yes you could say that the Xbox One is truly awesome Billy! Xbox One and the power of the cloud delivers the only true next gen gaming experience!

Interviewer: Okay, thank you, I think we have to go talk to Kanye now for a dose of reality.

Microsoft: I'd like to take a moment to thank the folks at Mountain Dew and Frito-Lay!

Interviewer: Can someone please let me out of the room, I don't like the look in his eyes!

Prime1574556d ago

@Hercules

There are many qualitative ways to show graphical prowess. Resolution is an easy one to point out of the bunch. Especially resolution and frame rate combined.

Cut the ignorant Crap... Resolution is part of the whole picture, it's a percentage of squares (pixels) showing on your tv derived from what your hardware can produce.

Hicken4556d ago

@Hercules: You're being ridiculous. Any time a game drops in resolution, that's a MASSIVE downgrade in and of itself. IF there were improvements, they were only allowed BECAUSE of the downgrades dantesparda listed.

And even still, the game suffers from performance issues. It virtually plays itself, so there's no losing, making some "mechanics" in the game pointless. And it struggles to maintain framerate, which is pretty bad since it's running just 30fps anyway.

If you can't see how those count as downgrades, then there's no hope for you.

BallsEye4556d ago (Edited 4556d ago )

Isn't it funny when a so called "downgrade" by fanboys make a game look better?

Before the downgrade

http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

After the downgrade

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/as...

http://i6.minus.com/ivIIAbk...

Now if you can't see how much better characters, and lighting looks, you have serious eye problems. Before the "downgrade" (screen1) characters looked like soulless dolls, now they look more real than any other game character so far.

By your way of thinking If in Killzone, they'd remove guy's mustache and add 20 more characters on screen, better shadows, real time reflections etc, that is a downgrade.

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BLAKHOODe4557d ago

I think people are putting WAY too much into the resolutions. I haven't played Ryse or Forza yet, but Dead Rising 3 looks amazing to me. Call Of Duty has been hammered by gamers all year, but I thought the game looked great on PS4. Maybe it's just me. Maybe I need to have my eyes checked. But I feel as if gamers are just trying to find a reason to blindly hate on what they perceive as being the "competition" when they should be supporting ALL formats, as competition between the format will lead to better games and better deals for us all.

dantesparda4557d ago

People are putting way to much into resolution? Were you complaining when people were putting just as much if not more importance on resolution when the 360 versions of a game had a slightly better resolution than the PS3 version of a game? Cuz those resolution differences were even smaller and people were putting a whole lot of importance into those. But now suddenly half those guys dont care about resolution. Yeah right, bullsh*t! fanboyism, gotta love it

MRMagoo1234557d ago

Come blackhoode DR3 may be super fun to play but it def doesnt look amazing as you said, the textures sometimes don't even load up (unless they just forgot to put them in the game it may be dlc knowig capcom) the models of the zombies are pretty weak as well, it may be a fun game but amazing looking it is not even if it was a 360 game.

keabrown794557d ago

Having both xbox one and ps4 I have to say that even though the ps4 will be my main box I'm finding the exclusives thus far to be better on the Xbox ATM, though I'm sure this prob won't last forever. I will say this much when it comes to resolution though. Resolution isn't the come all be all decider on what "looks" the best. Other things play just as big a part. Quality of textures, effects, art direction are a few of these things. Killzone for instance.. 1080p, looks great, uneven texture work and in my opinion a pretty boring art direction. Then there is Ryse, sub 1080p for sure, texture work is pretty even but not perfect but the art direction is pretty great. So, in most ways Killzone looks better then Ryse but in other ways Ryse looks better then Killzone. In reality however, this all means nothing. We have yet to see either systems true unlocked potential. But this is just my opinion, I love both consoles and am happy there us healthy competition to bring out the best from both Microsoft and Sony development teams.

mediate-this4557d ago

You need to understand, these people on this site play resolution and magnifying glass pixelation. There not gamers, they are immature fanboys who devote their life to marketing a said console. There is nothing wrong with a fam, but fanboys kill it, ryse looks great, shadow looks a little better, i have them both, they both look good, in my op there graphical showcases for their respective consoles.

Ps4 is more powerful, how much we dont know, alot of the people need tp chill and enjoy their consoles( if you really got em)

Condemnedman4556d ago

your wasting your time mate. let them win their fantasy war and move to another site whitch has proper news.

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linkenski4557d ago

Forza 5 looks like Forza 4 with less fluff :P

solar4557d ago

both consoles are just a .5 upgrade. you all need to stop kidding yourselves.

imt5584557d ago

@Ps4beaver

You forget one thing. PS3 is more powerfull than X360

Like this :
PS3 RSX - 176 GFLOPS, Cell - 230 GFLOPS
X360 Xenos - 240 GFLOPS, CPU - 100~115 GFLOPS

When you combine numbers, PS3 has 51 GFLOPS advantage. Well, PS3 show his graphics power when Killzone 2 arrived

Now, next-gen console.

PS4 GPU - 1.84 TFLOPS, CPU - 102 GFLOPS
XBone GPU - 1.31 TFLOPS ( 10% out for OS and Kinect )
CPU - 112 GFLOPS

So, when you combined numbers, PS4 has over 650 GFLOPS advantage, AND THAT'S NOT A SMALL DIFFERENCE. PS4 is more powerfull ( especially the GPU ), more easy for developing games, better RAM speed, better architecture design etc...

Cartesian3D4557d ago (Edited 4557d ago )

other PS4 advantages :
- 178GB/s of 8GB pool instead of low performance DDR3 and high performance SRAM pool.. absolute advantage specialy for developers
- Low memory foot print for PS4 OS instead of heavy weight OS of ONE designed to be more secure! and do non-gaming stuff better(the purpose that never happend)
- a certain percentage of resources are dedicated to Kinect exclusively so another advantage for PS4

m2stech4557d ago

You just won N4G today, hats off to you.

d3nworth14556d ago

But what about da powa of da clowd?

r1sh124556d ago

Im not a xbox hater, I actually spend more time on my xbox 360 that ps3 but its like the more he says xbox cloud compute makes is actually more useful.
It will have some improvement to games, but will not make a large difference that is noticeable.

Gamer19824556d ago

Only the most stubborn fans would believe the two games mentioned would only be possible on Xbox 1. Hes trying to say the only reason there on Xbox is because there not possible on PS4? Nothing to do with them paying out the nose for RYSE (bet there regretting that now) and and the fact Forza is 1st party. The sad thing is you don't here many PS fans saying they want RYSE. Even though it is 3rd party.. Unlike Titanfall.

ChrisW4556d ago

*THAN*

You illiterate troll!

Arkardo4556d ago

Im seeing this as some kind of cult, if at least 70% of Xbone fans don't swallow this as truth then the world is saved.

Jeez... these Xbox Pr guys are just out of this world.

Raiden4556d ago

When was the last time you ever see weather in any Forza game, Other multiplatform racing games have had weather fx. Take a look at NFS Rival which does have this fx on both consoles, so what is you point.

ambientFLIER4556d ago (Edited 4556d ago )

"sorry but they actually demonstrate the limits of the XB1, Ryse is only 900 and runs under 30fps"

You people need to stop crying about the resolution like a bunch of little troll babies. If you didn't know Ryse was 900P, you would have thought it was 1080 native. It's a launch game and looks absolutely fantastic. It will only get better from here, so I am completely ok with that.

Even if xbox one games never look better than Ryse, that's still quite ok too, because once again, it looks fantastic. So stop playing numbers and throwing a hissy fit every time developers choose to push higher quality pixels rather than more of them with 1080P. Ryse could have been in native 1080. it just wouldn't look as good as a result...

That_Guy2u24556d ago

lol dont forget that they said "forza was only possible in 1080p due to the cloud" so that wasnt even fullly the console

Gamer6664556d ago

You have obviously played neither game. Both Ryse and Forza are visually stunning.

I also have played KZ4 and it is visually stunning.

People who critique the difference between the visuals of these three games and the X1/PS4 should spend more time gaming and less time being fanboys.

Neither Sony nor MS should be ashamed of their consoles.

SonyPS3604556d ago

Ryse runs at "only 900" and still looks better than anything currently on the Ps4, 1080 or not :/

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NatureOfLogic4557d ago

You would think that MS have the most powerful console with all the power talk recently. Just imagining the nonstop dribble if they actually did have a power advantage.

Benjammin254557d ago

I also don't get the 'Ryse is the best looking of the launch titles' argument either. Granted, Ryse is a nice looking game, but so is God of War: Ascension. I'd even argue that GOW:A is more impressive when you take into account it's running on last gen hardware. Why am I bringing God Of War up? Because both titles make use of similar tricks to make the game look as good as possible, like a lack of camera control, linear corridors, and very few instances where you can backtrack a considerable distance. Put it this way: if Ryse was an FPS like Killzone, it wouldn't look nearly as impressive as it does.

jessupj4556d ago

Well we're hearing non stop dribble, lies and BS now.

Like you say, couldn't imagine if even half of the BS they said was true.

yanikins1114557d ago

"Ryse: Son of Rome and Forza Motorsport 5—we are delivering experiences that demonstrate the power capable only on Xbox One"

BREAKING NEWS: 20FPS and static lighting confirmed XBOne exclusives.

Automatic794557d ago

Non of the trolls above own Xbox one or even played it but have a ton of comments when it comes to said machine. No wonder they don't get taken seriously.

Note if you basing an entire gaming generation on launch alone you are seriously delusional.

EcoSos34557d ago

Well thats what the journalists and gamers has been doing with the WiiU since lunch and for what I can see it will be happening to the Xbox as well.

Automatic794557d ago

That's a horrible way to go and start this generation it should be about the games and experiences.

AgitatedOcelot4557d ago

^^^

Yeah, well I'd really like my games and experiences to be in native 1080p as well as being great games.

Which is why I chose the PS4.

EcoSos34557d ago

Not for the fanboys its all about graphics and resolution thats all they play even if the game is bad.

Automatic794557d ago (Edited 4557d ago )

Yeah its all bragging rights. I had a friend who knocked Wii U launch lineup and he indicated that pretty much you can find all games at Wii u launch lineup on ps3. I told him you can't find zombie u, or Mario games plus a few other titles on any system with exception of multiconsole games. His remark was they were alright it wouldn't make me buy Wii U. Fast forward a year later and he went gaga for ps4 and they began to announce delays for certain games and he still claimed there line up was great I asked him you do know that Wii u lineup on paper was much better. He went on to talk about sales and resolution. The point of this story gamers should enjoy there choice because when you knock another system it might bite you in the a--.

mcstorm4557d ago

@MichaelLito79 well said. I have and never will buy a games console because it has more power than another. I buy the console that offers me the games I want and that's why I got a wiiu and Xbox one 1st. I wanted Forza and ki more than any games on the ps4 and I also wanted pikmin 3, sonic lost world, Mario 3d world and Zelda windwaker more than any game on the ps4 so I got these two consoles 1st. I will pick a ps4 up later on in the generation but I'm happy with the game line up over the next 6 months on the two consoles I now own.

People should get what they want not what people say they should get as we have a choice for a reason.

Morpheuzpr4557d ago

I don't understand this mentality that if a games has good visuals it automatically can't have good gameplay.

OrangePowerz4557d ago

How does that differ from what Xbox supports said for the last 7 years about the PS3? yes some people are trolling, but it`s not like the Xbox supports didn`t troll constantly about the PS3.

gamertk4214557d ago

Have your fun now. We'll see which company exists in 10 years.

MRMagoo1234557d ago

@gamertk421

completely off topic, You should be more concerned about which company will have a gaming division in a couple years time.

@Orange

You cant blame MS for trying tho i guess, there has to be some ppl out there in the world dumb enough to believe the crap they say, so thats a few more sales for MS right?

Godmars2904557d ago

"Note if you basing an entire gaming generation on launch alone you are seriously delusional."

And yet, many in the Xbox camp keep using the XB1's launch lineup as the reason it will win.

And on an unrelated note, accidentally googled your comment and got this:
https://www.google.com/sear...

Fancy that...

Automatic794557d ago (Edited 4557d ago )

I never seen any articles or comments regarding victory on Xbox one launch games what I do see is a lot of flip flopping gamers on Sony side claiming that wait till games come out. Or Sony gamers saying that after a few years Xbox won't have exclusives. This is all nonsense shouldn't it be about the games you want to play now instead of what's to come. I purchased an Xbox one because they had the games I prefer. I think if your purchase a system it shouldn't be a pissing contest go with the system of your choice.

Prime1574556d ago

Michael, that seems awfully short-sighted.

Deep-throat4557d ago

I can't take Master Chief fans seriously.

One of the worst dudebro character EVER. My pen has more personality than him.

christocolus4557d ago

Dude really? Have you ever played any of those games?I almost took you for a reasonable gamer but i now see that you are just another troll in another xbx article..do gamers a favor and shut up .crawl back out that hole and take your bias with you dude...lol

Hercules1894557d ago

Sometimes less is more. MasterChief is not supposed to be some overlyconfident spacemarine, he's a guy who had a very rough childhood,kidnapped by the army and forced to be a soldier. Its one of the only games where you actually feel like you are the character when you play.

christocolus4557d ago

@michaellito

Lmao...was about to say the exact same thing...pathetic i must say..always waiting to show their bias and ignorance via their comments on any positive xbx article.they must be done with their launch titles already and i doubt youll find as many ignorant xbx fans in their articles...lol. well im looking forward to some really awesome xbx 1 games qb, titanfall and halo 5. i just finished ryse too..amazing game. Keep the games coming Phil. Thumbs up.

skazwaz4557d ago

Nope. You're right. I dont own one. I was going to get one while I awaited the ps4 launch but researched the product and watched a lot of videos.

Raiden4556d ago

I agree with you, but at the same time MS will prove the power of the x1, Does anyone remember the Dreamcast, PS2 is the most powerful, in the end the DC was no MORE, PS2 won on lies as developer supported it continously. But MS is bigger the SEGA so lets see what happens

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lonewolfjedi4557d ago

"as creators spend more time with our development tools and tap the power of cloud compute, we're confident that the Xbox One will be home to the best games, now and for years to come."
Damn it why do they always find some way to talk about the cloud?

Bolts-N-Rays11094557d ago

They have a lot of confidence in it. Clearly, they think it will make a difference. I hope they're right. What's wrong with better games?

lonewolfjedi4557d ago

I hope their right too, cause they need anything and everything positive right now. nothing absolute wrong with better games. we the gamer/consumer still haven't seen the cloud in effect yet like the way microsoft has been talking about it.

Bolts-N-Rays11094557d ago

It'll take time, like he said. We might not really see a good case for it until next fall, with Halo.

komp4557d ago

"Damn it why do they always find some way to talk about the cloud?"

...because that is where their heads are?

OrangePowerz4557d ago

They need to have some sort of unique selling point for gamers to talk about.

You can`t believe how many people pointed to Titanfall and the cloud compute it uses for the AI NPCs and that you can explain them time and time again that AI NPCs in online games have always been calculated on the server side.

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Playstation Plus Monthly Games for May: EA Sports FC 26, Wuchang: Fallen Feathers, Nine Sols

All available May 5.

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FPSRUSSIA21d ago

What's Point in commenting your basicly closing down the site.

LiViNgLeGaCY21d ago

I'm surprised it's still the old site. I thought he said starting today?

Eonjay21d ago

Its like the final episode of the Sapranos. You gonna go to make a comment and when you click add th-

Profchaos21d ago

Timezone thing maybe.... RIP

darthv7221d ago

Insert the Ferris Bueller end scene... "You're still here? It's over.."

LiViNgLeGaCY21d ago

I think the only game here for me is Nine Sols. Was always interested in that game.

TheColbertinator21d ago

Glad I don't buy FIFA games anymore

Rebel_Scum21d ago

Hey now! Thats a great month.

Nacho_Z21d ago

Good month for me, I wanted that particular footy game and thought it might be due. Anyway who cares, shame about the site I'll miss the comment sections. All the best everyone.

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Naughty Dog Was Reportedly Divided On Joel's Controversial Fate During Development Of TLOU Part 2

Naughty Dog was reportedly divided on the controversial fate of Joel in The Last of Us Part 2 during the game's development.

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SimpleDad22d ago

NO, that can't be... No! I can't... Really?/s

Cacabunga21d ago

They for sure chose the worst way to deal with it

-Foxtrot20d ago

Funny considering Bruce left half way through development and now we get told there was an internal conflict with the story direction.

Makes you think…

HectixRose21d ago

I think it was good decision, if he was still alive, he would have been a mascot just like Kratos, drake and many others. These old dudes gotta die for new characters to take center stage with their own storyline. They keep dragging the emotional baggage into many sequels and eventually the story just turns into absolute shit show.

JEECE21d ago

It was ironic because people complained heavily about the story in the Uncharted games not having sufficient stakes because all the key characters always survived, despite the dangerous situations they were always in. Then ND killed a character in a more serious series and everyone lost their minds. Just shows that people don't always really want the thing they say they want.

CantThinkOfAUsername21d ago

I thought the more common complaint about Uncharted franchise was how the main cast are the good guys acting so nonchalantly while killing hundreds in cold blood (aka the dissonance between gameplay and story cutscenes). They just did it again in Part II.

Soy21d ago

Didn't have to kill him. Just have them part ways or Joel can "retire," whatever.

DarXyde21d ago

I don't think he would necessarily need to become a mascot (and besides, technically, I'd say Ellie is... So regardless, someone was going to be).

From a narrative perspective, I do think it has a similar effect to Ricky dying in Boyz N Da Hood: very likeable character, and you're really motivated to see the get back—in this case, it's more intense because it's an interactive experience. Most people hated Abby, but I get what they were after with portraying the cycle of violence and revenge—unfortunately, the game appears to want to take the side of the bad people.

But I will say that if Joel survived, it does become harder to tell an interesting story. What COULD have happened is an exploration into the rift between Joel and Ellie after the trolley dilemma events of the first game. It could have been interesting to see Abby out for revenge at the same time Ellie hated Joel.

Ashunderfire8621d ago

Sorry just had to say this lol! RICKYYYY!

Man Cuba Gooding Jr was miscast in that movie, but that part was cringey it was sad and funny at the same time man.

Ashunderfire8621d ago (Edited 21d ago )

I understand but the way they went about killing Joel, was poorly executed. Even the show of the Last of Us games tried to improved it, but it was just as bad. Well at least Joel got to know the reason why he had to die, before the death happened in the show. That part gave us the full context, but the game just let it happen with no pay off.

Joel death should have been a midway thing through the story, so we at least get to play him a little more with Ellie. Abby didn’t need to be this Hulk looking woman, but more like the show Abby which is a beater idea in my opinion.

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InUrFoxHole21d ago

The only ND game that was so disappointing to me I couldn't finish it.

pwnmaster300021d ago

Honestly as much as I loved the game, they could have just not killed him off.
I get it creator vision and all but killing a character that made you millions is just wrong imo. At least have him go down fighting.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

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-Foxtrot21d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle21d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7721d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments