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Microsoft's Phil Spencer says "We're still learning" when it comes to microtransactions

Microsoft has incorporated feedback mechanisms in its Xbox One games with microtransactions to monitor player buying behavior as a means to craft an experience more in line with player expectations, Microsoft corporate VP Phil Spencer told Kotaku in a new interview.

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Burrito26a4569d ago

"I want to be able to learn from what we put in," Spencer said. "So let's make sure we are crafting the game and the analytics so we can see what the consumers--the gamers--like and don't--if you assume buying habits are a reflection of what people like. So that we can craft the experience better for the gamer."

They know exactly what the gamers like. That's why they leave it out and charge extra for it.

theBAWSE4569d ago (Edited 4569d ago )

like I said.... 'micro' transactions, has a penny pinching scheme ever been more aptly named?

they still learning how to f**k a gamer over even more and squeeze every cent out of you

now you have a clearer picture of how DRM was to fill their pockets

they started timed exclusives, dlc of content that should have been in the game in the first place, now this.. I'm glad the xbone is flopping, has bad press etc.. it's micro'softs greed as to why the xbone is hated, it knows no bounds..

ffs let's all get Microsoft out of gaming

Gazondaily4569d ago

What a load of sensationalist bull.

You think Microsoft are the only ones pushing micro transactions? So they held a gun at Polyphony's head and told them to include it in GT6 right?

They started timed exclusives and dlc?? What are you on about. Third party exclusivity has existed for ages. Just because Sony aren't the only ones benefiting from it like they did in the past doesn't give you a reason to start shedding tears and caring for the demise of Microsoft.

Microsoft helped bring a lot of positive changes to the industry if only you short sighted people could actually perceive it instead of going on baseless rants.

The PS4 is cheaper, easier to program for, more powerful with a better online structure and value all because of the competition Microsoft brought to the table.

Microsoft departing from the industry would be a terrible thing. If only you could put your fanboyism aside to realise this for one moment.

cleft54569d ago

More Microsoft news that really can't be taking all that well. "We are learning"? Learning how to do what? Give your consumers a fair amount for what they pay or to figure out how to get as much money out of them as possible. I hate to be cynical, but I find it hard to think that Microsoft's learning revolves are giving the consumers more for less.

hankmoody4569d ago

Isn't Sony doing the same s**t? Deep Down is going to be F2P with transactions pretty much guaranteed. Get your head out of your ass and open your eyes. Both companies want your money because they're BUSINESSES.

theBAWSE4569d ago (Edited 4569d ago )

@septic.... don't tell me about Microsoft are good for gaming and put fanboyism to one side like your the moses of gaming!!!

exclusivity existed before Microsoft,yes it did BUT read my words veeerrry carefully.. TIMED exclusivity, get it? TIMED.

exclusives are good for a console which is why Sony and Nintendo have a great first party stable, Microsoft hasn't so they throw money at third party developers to make a game TIMED exclusive, so the other console will get it but not for a few months, how is that good? that is treating the gamer who has to wait for a game that others are playing like second citizens, then when it does come out we are meant to feel thankful and go and buy that said game that others have enjoy for half a year? f**k that!!! exclusives are good they push you to a brand and a console.. TIMED exclusivity is a slap in the face to any gamer.

as for micro'transactions they are for free 2 play games, NOT FULL PRICE 60DOLLAR GAMES...get it? FREE TO PLAY!!! micro'transactions in a full priced game is the most ridiculous thing I've heard yet in gaming (shudder to think what would have happened if Microsoft got their way with their DRM policies) and your here standing on your old dirty soap box writing an essay defending that?

don't tell me @septic put fanboyism aside, stick up for Microsoft all you want and get bent over, this is about defending my hobby NOT FANBOYISM, like many gamers did when xbone was unveiled that's why Microsoft had to make all those 180s..if we were all like you the original xbone of Microsoft's vision is what gamers would have right Now!! !! .so @septic just because you like getting shafted by Microsoft doesn't mean we all do!

as sweet brown would say 'ain't nobody got *timed* for that'

DARK WITNESS4569d ago

"Microsoft helped bring a lot of positive changes to the industry if only you short sighted people could actually perceive it instead of going on baseless rants.

The PS4 is cheaper, easier to program for, more powerful with a better online structure and value all because of the competition Microsoft brought to the table. "

If they only positive thing MS has brought to the industry is getting sony to do a better job, then I seriously have to question how positive their being in the industry is?

I mean all it took for Sony to build the perfect machine for gamers was do the opposite of everything MS was trying to do, does that really translate to a positive thing for MS ??

Why o why4569d ago (Edited 4569d ago )

Septic....smh...

Ms have obviously brought positives to the industry but please...lets not act like the industry was dying without them. I want them in the industry because they helped wake the sleeping giant from their slumber or near complacency and comfort. Despite that some of ms' s antics and tactics are straight crappy and if im not mistaken ms are the focus of this topic.

Micro t's is just giving ms or anybody else who uses them in this crappy method is leading gamers further down a slippery slope. Lets not defelect from the fact we're giving them the lube. Give em an inch.....

fenome4569d ago (Edited 4569d ago )

@hankmoody
That's the thing though, Deep Down is F2P. That's the only game model that's acceptable for micro-tansactions to work, you get the base model for free and if you want the extra stuff or just to support the game in general YOU DECIDE HOW MUCH YOU PUT INTO IT. This was an OK concept for Killer Instinct because that's what this game is, you can try the base model for free and decide how much content you buy into it.

These are $60 games, and this is an unacceptable practice. I can't believe people are actually supporting this..

They've seen how much money games like Candy Crush and what-not can generate and are going to try to use that model to squeeze as much as possible out of their users. Please don't buy into this! The more money they make through this the more you will see this happen in their upcoming games as well. These are just the launch titles and they're already doing this, what happens in the future? Subscriptions for all games? Where do we draw the line?

Now is the time to vote with your wallets people! I don't want this to turn into the norm for $60 games, that's already too much money for most games anyways. Especially if you're buying digital, there's no reason for them to charge full price for digital content either, this goes to Sony as well. Price drop all digital!

Gazondaily4569d ago

I'm sorry, but your little crusade isn't defending anything. All I read is immature rants. I'm not bending over for anyone, unlike many on here, I can actually formulate my own thoughts.

MS brought a lot to the table. They did really well and made me and many gamers happy. Yes they''ve made many missteps, Sony did too, but they are still an important force in gaming. The moment they leave the industry, the industry stagnates and we're in trouble unless another competitor steps up to the plate.

Anyway, I'm wasting my time here as any plea for rationale and reasonableness is falling on deaf ears. You lot carry on infesting every MS article religiously whilst pushing forward your agendas.

pompombrum4569d ago (Edited 4569d ago )

Don't get why Septic got all the disagrees, pretty much everything he said is true. Just look at the what Sony did with the PS3 to begin with.. it was thanks to Microsoft that has made Sony value gamers so much and why the PS4 is already looking set to claim an early lead in the new generation console war.

While Microsoft damn near came close to ruining console gaming for me, I still wouldn't want them out of the industry completely. Hopefully if the PS4 holds onto a fairly dominant position in all regions and especially the US, hopefully Microsoft will take everything in as a humbling experience and do with the Xbox One what Sony did with the PS3 and return their focus to gaming. If that happens, everyone wins.

theBAWSE4569d ago (Edited 4569d ago )

@septic.... that's your comeback? the great defender of microsoft's penny pinching ways..

I don't dislike Xbox I hate the corporation behind it, I hope they sell the division to a company that actually cares about games, competition is good, Microsoft's greed isnt

tell me where I am wrong in my previous comment, I'll wait, because really in your mind like you have just said we are all pushing agendas, we want a one console world with Sony at the top of the tree dictating to all its followers so Sony can rule the world.. bwaaahaaaa, s/ do you seriously hear yourself?

you called people out for fanboyism,you got schooled.. so then you run off calling people immature? lol pot, kettle son.

fenome4569d ago

@Septic

I definitely don't want them to leave the industry, competition is what makes it better. I just don't agree with their business models, that's all. I didn't know GT6 utilized this as well, I don't play those games. Then it goes for them too. Any game that you're paying your hard-earned cash on should only get these little extras through fake in-game currency, not more real world cash unless it's an outright expansion of the game a la DLC.

XboxFun4569d ago

@Bawse

Hilarious, MS started all that eh? Absolute nonsense. Yet Sony followed suit on all of that you mentioned, so what does that say about them?

http://www.ign.com/articles...

They must be just as greedy yes? monkey see, monkey do right.

I wonder why no one is upset at Sony about this? Or them switching to pay to play online, or online passes for their first party games for PS3. Nope, lets run MS out of business but accept all of Sony practices.

As if all of this would have never happened if MS wasn't in the game or it would all go away if MS left.

Timed exclusives are bad now? Only bad if you have to wait and get the sloppy seconds. It's good for the users who get it first like everything in life when you get a similar deal. I love the full on crying on this site when it comes to this. It's obvious Sony saw the benefit in this because they are now doing it.

Following the trend as usual, and yet everyone gives them a pass and points the stink finger at MS.

The double standard and one track thinking is hilarious on this site. Everyone needs a scapegoat to whine about and blame.

Gazondaily4569d ago

@thebawse

LMAO! Me schooled by you?? You've got to be kidding me. Your b.s. rant is the equivalent of an angry kid spitting his cereal out all over the table.

Is there even anything of substance in your rant? Your whinging is just a copy and paste argument that only the n4g community will lap up.

Case in point, you made the silly point that microtransactions are only for free to play games. GT6 is free to play? You're telling me Sony doesn't have microtransactions?

Deaf dumb and blind. You don't even offer anything worth responding to. You carry on crying for the demise of the Xbox brand. When/if you're mature enough or have any real understanding of how the industry /the world works, then come back to me. I've wasted enough time on you.

AngelicIceDiamond4569d ago

@Bawse And ruin peoples game franchises as well as new ones MS is making?

Yeah how bout you get out of the gaming. Your a fake gamer, and your 28+ agrees also means they're fakes as well. People like you need to find a new hobby honestly.

Your clearly on the negative end of Video Gaming Entertainment and you need to leave. And trust me you won't be missed at all.

theBAWSE4569d ago

@xboxfun... lmfaoooo your not bias s/

let me make this short and sweet, everything you just mentioned Microsoft started... that's why they are bad for gaming, not one thing you mentioned helps a gamer or their wallet,... capiche

the fact that Sony have followed Microsoft in some of these practices leaves a dirty taste in the mouth

now go buy a 80dollar car in forza and enjoy your micro'transactions

theBAWSE4569d ago (Edited 4569d ago )

@septic.... sigh.. touch a nerve?

microtransactions are for free to play games yep I said it and stick by it, that's why I wouldn't buy gt6, I ain't going to defend that bull like you obviously feel the need to.

funny how you still ain't told me where I am wrong in my post yet you keep crying out about gt6 like that's all you have to cling to... microtransactions are wrong in full price games no matter who is doing it and I will never stick up for Sony or Microsoft doing it both are wrong. calling people deaf blind and dumb, yet you conveniently not see the points that countered yours, the fact you result to name calling because you been schooled speaks volumes, and the need to call people basically disabled shows the kind of twit you really are.

now run along unless you have something of importance to say and not childish statements like kid and cornflakes.. how old are you?

@angelice my very own n4g stalker who won't leave me alone and sends me PMs.. okay then sorry I will pack up my consoles sell them on eBay and never ever ever ever touch gaming again.. I promise, because a keyboard warrior said I should leave gaming.. lol where do we find these people

damn wasted all my bubbles on septic/Xbox fun and angelicice the three 'microteers'

Why o why4569d ago (Edited 4569d ago )

Not sure what the back and forth is about... microtransations are crap when used in a crappy way... delflecting to who started what first or implying sony are doing the same thing with free to play games is nonsensical.

I'm glad for ms to stay... I dont think a manopoly or oligopoly would be any healthier. Nobody is forcing any of us to purchase a console we dont like or favour especially if we dont like their ways. In this case I feel ms were influenced by company's like ea and activision.

Lets continue to voice or distaste at them with our wallets.

Ms or sony or whoever can only pack our fudge if we give em the lube. I advise forza lovers not to purchase the imminent dlc cars that really should of shipped with the game. IF sony do the same thing with one of their exclusives I'd expect everyone to be just as pissed.

Why does this discussion feel so hyped and antagonistic when we ALL, pretty much, don't agree with the tactic

pivotplease4569d ago

You guys need to chill. Holy $@%*. Every company needs someone to keep them straight. PS3 definitely benefited from 360 in terms of social integration and price point. MS may look like the antichrist right now, and it may seem like there are no logistics to buying into them right now. However, their arrogance will cost them in the same way it cost Sony. Maybe a year or two from now their deep pockets will put them in a good light again, but to want them gone is being short-sighted. Sony would then have a sort of monopoly on hardcore console gaming. What might happen? Perhaps a price hike on PS+...maybe they stop giving away free games? Competition is healthy.

AngelicIceDiamond4569d ago

Microteer that's cute. Does this sound like a Microteer to you?

http://n4g.com/comments/red...

Yeah I got marked for trolling.

See this what your not getting or simply not understanding. Your first comment you said MS should leave gaming.

I said no because their's lots of franchises on MS machine that I and millions of people like. So what about them? Because you don't like MS you want to destroy a very, very high significant and most important part of gaming entertainment which is the franchise's (or the games themselves). Sony, Nintendo are known for their exclusive long running franchises as well as MS. You know the franchises that define their uniqueness and makes them stand out.

Get rid of that you'll have beyond super angry fanbase. Especially the Halo fanbase.

So no I disagree. MS does not leave the gaming industry for your selfish reasons. And leave millions of gamers and their favorite franchises out in the cold.

That's not right.

So MS stays.

Prime1574569d ago (Edited 4569d ago )

@Septic, "Microsoft helped bring a lot of positive changes to the industry if only you short sighted people could actually perceive it instead of going on baseless rants."

Look, I agree that there a few positives through competition fighting complacency. However, there have been a few greedy negatives that have come around due to these practices.

(Slightly Off the topic at hand) By July of 2013, MS pulled in $5.6 BILLION dollars from Live (total). Sony pulled in $140 MILLION from Plus (total). Sony made 1/32th of what MS made and had to create the paywall for PS4, especially after they took so much shit for their decision of trying to keep PS3 servers free. A positive change? No, but from a business standpoint it had to be made to compete with MS. Many xbox fanboys point the finger, "Ha, and Sony makes you pay now!" Like they didn't create the monster.

(Back on topic) The success of $60(US) AAA titles that have microtransactions for things that used to be included in the full game is another problem that has come around. The F2P model is completely separate from this. However, the term Pay to Win derived from F2P is still much involved, but at a much, much higher initial cost in $60 games. Mostly, microtransactions are put into games to offset the boredom of the grind. The grind in $60 games used to be offset by systems and pacing placed in the game to keep you from getting bored.

It just so happens that MS has been on the forefront with this with all of their launch titles. I could talk for paragraphs about microtransactions and discerning greed from quality and acceptible methods in each type of model as I went through a F2P PC gaming spree, but I'll just say one more thing:

All XBone exclusive games (except DR3 and Zoo Tycoon) have microtransactions. Many people all point at Gran Tourismo 6 as justification in your arguments defending MS? I view it as Sony has to compete with the crap that Forza has become. After all, both games are pretty much just generic racers in the long run.

There's nothing like BUYING a Triple-A game that was designed to make you hit a wall where you mind goes, "oh, I can play for hours upon hours, or just buy this shenanigan."

So, yes, I agree that MS shouldn't just die off because of the competition, but they are not all positive changes, and the uneducated game consumer is likely taken advantage of when buying many games - hence our anger as game enthusiasts which some people don't express well.

FamilyGuy4569d ago

Siding with day 1 microtransactions on full price, $60 games is pathetic.
Point blank.

It's greed pure and simple.

Sono4214568d ago (Edited 4568d ago )

@Septic... once again your logic is flawed..

"The moment they leave the industry, the industry stagnates and we're in trouble unless another competitor steps up to the plate."

If they leave the industry it will be due to backlash from all of their poor decisions.. their poor decisions typically revolve around mistreatment of consumers. So you think right after they get booted from the industry the only competition left will go and do the very thing that got their competition knocked out?

I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense.. just for an example I will use Sony.. If Sony started lacking in any subject (ie games,features.. ect..) they would get badgered from all of the gaming community and gaming journalism about how they are getting lazy with no competition.. whether or not that is the actual reason.

I would imagine mostly positive things coming out of this.. one of them being less fanboy bantering.

--------EDIT------

Look we get it.. Microsoft helped further develop the online community.. we get it, not everything they did was negative.. but their impact has already been made. If they left now that impact wouldn't disapear it would still be there, especially with the huge demand for online gaming now.

But now i'm going to use a bit of a weird analogy.. Microsoft coming into the industry is a bit like a virgin hiring a prostitute.. the virgin gets to finally have sex.. but gets an STD. Now if he wouldn't have hired the prostitute he probably still would have had sex later.. just without the STD.. but there still a chance he could've got an STD just a greatly lower chance.. (Assuming that time wasn't with a prostitute)

What I mean by this is.. online gaming would have advanced with or without Microsoft(like the viring would have probably had sex with or without the prostitute).. it might have taken longer.. but we would have got there either way.. except now along with online gaming they brought some bad practices with them(the STD ;).. now i'm not saying that without Microsoft these practices would have never came.. but there is a greater chance they wouldn't have.

hahah just re-read my own post.. gotta say I lol'd a little bit.. yeah pretty silly ;D

XabiDaChosenOne4568d ago

@Xboxfun your post reavealed to me how out of sync you are with rationale and logic. The topic points of this discussion clearly went over your head.

SlyFoxC4568d ago

Come one Come all! Come see the amazing and one of a kind fanboys. The are an extreme lot of sophisticated individuals that sit on forums and yell and scream about how the console they plug their controller into is better. Dont mind you that they feed on the tears of many.

Come all and watch as they humiliate each other and call each other names for a passion that one can not describe. But instead of sharing the passion of the so called GAMING they split themselves into A group and B group.

It is a true tale of two siblings separated at birth and that were put onto this fine earth for one reason and that is to bring entertainment enjoyment to all. But instead of using their powers for good, they sit here for one and all to sit back and eat popcorn and watch as they carry out the act.

so i guess in all they still are entertaining arent they.

(i just wish for once people would stop all this xbox and sony drama. do you know what these systems are made for.....to bring GAMERS the system to play GAMES.

We get it there are timed exclusives, free to play, microtransactions, overprice dlc, over priced games, digital download prices, used prices, blue case and green case....

in the end they all do the same damn thing...and that is for all of us to sit our ass's down on that comfy spot we love so much, kick our feet up and play the games we love.

I am a GAMER and the color of the case means nothing to me, its whats inside that matters and that is the adventure waiting for me that is loaded on that disc and waiting for me to explore.

SlyFoxC

TheSaint4568d ago

I wish I could agree with you more than once.

FunkMacNasty4568d ago (Edited 4568d ago )

I agree with you, Septic. Niether company is perfect. And Microtransactions aren't something that MS invented, nor did Sony... But both have games on the system that use microtransactions.
Why has nobody mentioned how big of a role Publishers play in the microtransaction game?? EA, Activision, Capcom... and more recently, Take Two with GTA V. And I also noticed nobody's been complaining about having to PAY to play online now with PSN.

Don't get frustrated by the tools on N4G, they aren't real gamers if they live in a small single-console world anyway. A serious and dedicated gamer can objectively recognize the merits and follies of all consoles and PC as well, regardless of a personal preference. Keep thinking for yourself, and don't be swayed by turds on the interwebs... But keep your logical statements to yourself--nobody wants to hear that around here!! ;)

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pompombrum4569d ago (Edited 4569d ago )

Well at least he was honest.. basically, hey if people are going to scream "milk me" then they obviously want to be milked and if god is my witness, WE SHALL MILK!

Being honest, business is business, I blame the idiots who keep buying it justifying the decisions.

Still, they can't play the "we're listening to gamers" card.. because if they were listening to us, I'd have a kinect-less Xbox One right now.

2v14568d ago

exactly agreed 100% dont blame MS , blame the millions of idiots that support them

T24566d ago

"we're learning ".. it's absolutely insulting to anyone's intelligence. Noone wants to throw away money especially when you paid 60 dollars already... so their learning is clearly based on how much rape the sheep will submit to...
And yet you see the usual players on here defending away exposing themselves completely with that "but, but rovio too, Sony too!!"
Yes others do it too. And I don't support that sht either..

Mr Pumblechook4569d ago (Edited 4569d ago )

'Listening?' 'Learning?'
Microsoft is always making the greedy anti-gamer decisions, and reversing them only when enough people complain. 'Stop it' I say 'STOP IT.'

@hankmoody. I don't like F2P but the difference here is that with F2P you get the skeleton of the game free but you pay for the body. Forza 5 and Ryse are full price games so the consumer expects to be getting the full package without having to pay extra.

T24566d ago

Wait, what?! forza with their 35 dollar cars (I'm being forgiving here this is if u use credits or buy packs)
You're telling me ryse has microtransactions too? for what?

dumahim4569d ago (Edited 4569d ago )

Calling the Forza 5 tokens "microtransactions" is a gross misrepresentation.

For $100, you can get 8000 tokens. It takes 10,000 tokens to buy the Lotus F1 car. Over $100 for one car, there's nothing micro about that.

On top of that, you've got Turn 10 in a blantant case of false advertising.
- On their own website and in the description of the Limited Edition features on retailer pages it states: "1,250 car tokens (a $9.99 value) that will allow Limited Edition owners instant access to any car in the game." Someone checked and I think it was about 30% of the cars cost more than that.

- VIPs are also supposed to get 2x reward acceleration (XP points awarded after race events)
Turns out this isn't the case either and instead VIPs are getting double the cash reward for each level earned. Credits are not XP.
And to be perfectly clear, the extra XP system is built into the game because you can spend tokens to activate that feature for a time as well.

We're on the 5th day and Turn 10 is not responding to these issues.

theBAWSE4569d ago

absolutely disgusting

can't believe the idiots that went out and bought this crap

dumahim4569d ago

Don't blame us idiots. None of the reviews provided any details on how this stuff would work once the game was released. Most didn't even mention the megatransactions. And of course no one would have known T10 would have screwed up the VIP rewards either.

T24566d ago

You are all right thanks for breaking down the numbers... Just look at the latest xboX mag review 9/10.. not one mention of this b.s.

By the way u can grind your way to most cars.. estimated currently at 454 hours, no big deal
/S

TBONEJF4568d ago

how bout stop ripping off your consumers putting a 500$ price tag and stop putting bugs on first system launch. BUGS also includes the PS4 but not the good price tag

2v14568d ago

Ms: pay more for less is what gamers like

Soc54568d ago

I hate corporate doublespeak, What all that BS translates to is "We like to see how much we can charge and what we can get away with... If you suckers will pay for it then we would love to take more of your money and "learn" how to make that easier for us to achieve"

FunkMacNasty4568d ago

@ Soc - yeah that's how I interpreted it also..

Spencer - "I want to be able to learn from what we put in," Spencer said. "So let's make sure we are crafting the game and the analytics so we can see what the consumers--the gamers--like and don't--if you assume buying habits are a reflection of what people like. So that we can craft the experience better for the gamer."

So basically, if gamers REALLY speak with their wallet and absolutely refuse to buy into this scheme, Ol' Phil will learn something after all: He will learn that gamers want COMPLETE games, without having to be charged for extra levels and the proverbial 'horse's armor' type of character skins and customization items.

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stuna14569d ago

requote: "We're still learning, how to get all your money in one sitting"!

-Foxtrot4569d ago

DLC - Last gen

Micro transactions -This gen

Here we go...oh and look at that MS is the one starting off a money grabbing trend...again <sigh>

XboxFun4569d ago (Edited 4569d ago )

Starting off? Sony is already doing it with their GT6.

http://www.ign.com/articles...

I love how everyone wants to tack it all on MS that they're doing it first only because they speak on it. Sony does it and everyone overlooks it because there's no article about it.

-Foxtrot4569d ago

GT6 is not a next gen title

kenshiro1004569d ago

Good job XBoxfun, you've proved nothing.

T24566d ago

Great another "you too, no u! " Stockholm syndrome xbdf reply... how original
Just like drm "everyone will do it "
Yaaaa..... No.

AllroundGamer4569d ago

yeah, the pay to play online was the worst trend ever started by MS. It only needs one money hungry douchebag and the others will follow if people pay for it. :/

sigfredod4569d ago

Ok M$$$ first lesson of micro transactions, were created to sustain the free to play model, no for full price games.
second: charge full price + DLC+ season pass + microtransactions in one single game is plain greedy.
Three if you are going to offer micotransaction at least begin by charging low prices, not go right away to charge $20 to geat a single car god!

pompombrum4569d ago

Yeah it's sad seeing this tbh.. I understand why f2p games like LoL and DOTA 2 for example utilize micro transactions but seeing it in full priced games has me sick to the stomach. I can only think what awful position we will be in come next gen, we'll be milked dry.

Kayant4569d ago

There's no need to learn. Microtransactions should not be in $60 games in the first place. This practice needs to die. Artificial boosting/faster access should not be needed in $60 games people pay I high entry price for a reason.

All it does is punish players who don't spend the extra money to exist the content faster even though they have rightfully paid for the content in the game. it just makes it harder & more frustrating that normal to access the content to tempt you into spending money.

If you want microtransactions then either make the game F2P or the entry cost should be very low.

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TheLostCause4569d ago

I was going to reply to you but felt I should make my own comment instead as it was a bit long winded haha :) sorry about that.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio31d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing31d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9231d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit31d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing31d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9231d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay33d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn233d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn233d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown33d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay33d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay33d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac32d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger33d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300033d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde33d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood33d ago (Edited 33d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde33d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

In an exclusive interview with Game File, new(ish) Xbox boss Asha Sharma and Xbox chief content officer Matt Booty explain their vision for Microsoft’s gaming division

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Agent7534d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_32d ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.