My problem with this steam machine, is that games wont be optimized for it. games will run purely on its specs witch will mean you will need to keep updating it overtime.

Edit: what Idba said^^ "simply a PC with steam OS pre-installed."

I do not see a market for Valve Steam Machine

I like the look of the top console

looks like a PS4

well, 1080p/60fps won't be a problem here...

Its not a console!

It's not a replacement for Keyboard / Mouse; it's an alternative.

SteamOS is just Steams Big Picture mode, ontop of Linux.

No exclusives, but will work on SteamOS as well as Steam for Windows/OSX/Linux.

Finally, the Steam's Steam Machines were revealed almost a month ago. iBuyPower just revealed their take of the Steam Machine.

I can guarantee there will be no day one failures like this years "next-gen" consoles

The purpose of steam o.s. is......

Valve got mad that microsift started its own marketplace with windows 8 so they are trying to stick it to the man, in their eyes.

They now see microsoft as competition and are trying their best to sway users away from the o.s. and into the steam ecosystem only, ala google play, ios, etc.

Hope mods are support.

ppl forget alot of CONSOLE only gamers mistaken alot of the Xbox as being exclusive, but in fact many of these games are also found on PC.

With pressure from PS4 and Steambox, MS will have a hell of a time maintaining market share.

Valve does not really have to worry as much since their bread and butter is still from their Steam service.

If steambox stays true to it's backwards compatablity, were in for a nice ride :)

I can picture it now they lower the price of the console but charge more for the games like a normal console.

I think we will see EA come back to steam when all this drops.

Most powerful console will be this.

Is this the real "gaming console"?

Just by looking at the specs, I can tell this thing will not be cheap. I know it'll be more powerful, but it's not gonna be cheap at all.

Price it right and we have a winner. I won't count Valve out just yet.

It looks like a box... shocking.

Well if devs build directly to steam machine specs then you may get that same performance specialization advantage offered by consoles.

For some reason I thought it was xbox 360, just with a different look.

yea im calling an ouya on this. Why would any pc gamer want a steam os box. Its a lot better to run steam OS as a VM on your already powerful PC. Which is exactly what I will do, if i cared to run steamOS. which i dont.

If you already have a steam account , would you be able to get all your already owned games on the machine?

If steam streaming works well I would not mind buying a stream machine if they have them if not I will build one

Valve should considering giving away it's games if played via Steam OS. I assume most money they make now is from steam. That way the producers of steam boxes have free games to include. Helps the value of a steam box and gets long term Steam users. Plus, gets people like me to consider duel booting or using Steam OS.

You guys do know that this will be more expensive than a PS4 and Xbone right? If your a PC gamer and doesn't want to be hassled by building a gaming PC then this is for you. For the right price of course. nvidia is not charity. So I'll stick with my PS3 and PS4 plus low-mid PC gaming machine. i don't care if i can't jack up the games "Max Settings". as long as i play the game then its all good.

waste of money imo,not a console,not a reliable and experienced manufacturer,product won't be international and have wide releases,very nigligible and small company with much more less money than the others which equals to less support
who would want a steam machine over a console and even pc that offers nothing different?

Too many unknowns right now, but honestly, will people pay big bucks for a game machine? Sure, and I give Alienware as an example. Will it succeed on its horsepower alone? Who knows, but it can become the new 3DO or Neo Geo just as easily.

Yey just what I always hated about PC gaming, it not being like playing a console......

Why on Earth would I bother paying for this. I'm not criticizing anybody else for wanting this but I just don't see any benefit to buying this myself.

Why are they trying to turn PC gaming into console gaming?

LoL! Valve must be kidding an i7 cost around 300 euro & a GTX 780 around 500 euro this thing won't cost less than 1k who is going to buy this? :/ get serious Valve ~__~

Because that's where the money is for developers.

A waste of time and money. Stick with the real ones. PS4 or X One...

If it walks like a duck.

So those spec, better or worse than next gen consoles?

Not particularly attractive but not bad looking either. Seems like a case of function over form.

Although this sounds very compelling, if it doesn't address the hacking issue plagued by pc games, then I wouldn't buy one. I'd love the idea of a console that is PC-quality yet closed in order to eliminate hackers. That's the ONLY thing that keeps me from enjoying PC gaming. If they were able to do that, I'd drop my Xbone & PS4 in a heartbeat. Although not my Wii-U :)

Valve doesn't seem to understand why we want this. We want it to be like a console, but utilize Steam to bridge PC. It needs a low price point, needs to be standard for 5+year minimum, and needs Steam. The fist two points they get wrong as I've heard rumors of this being priced upwards of 600 dollars, and it needs to be upgraded over time. IF the specs last 5 years each time you upgrade, then its heaven, otherwise its fail. They need to mandate it, don't let it become a PC. Have one set of upgrades every 5 years.

Console gamers are their target, and those gamers want the PC experience without buying and upgrading a PC. Their target audience is NOT PC gamers, they already have those people, and there is no need for them to get this at all.

This isn't for current PC gamers. This is for console gamers on the fence of PC gaming.
Honestly, with the build listed above and at that cost, this truly is competitive with even what the PS4 can do in terms of power.
I wasn't exactly on-board with this until this announcement. Not only is it on-point with the tech found in the consoles, it is competitively priced.
With Steam OS and Mantel around the corner, you can expect even better performance than what you see in current benchmarks. I am really hoping Mantel is all it is cracked up to be.

Long story short, you are getting console performance at console pricing and you get access to a giant library of PC games at fantastic prices, along with the openness of modding (at least through Worshop) and the ability to tweak games to your preference.
This can go a long way to increasing interest in PC gaming. While it isn't for me, this is nothing but a good thing in my eyes.

Valve just needs to find a way to market this as an everyday platform for the average gamer. This really can be a competitive gaming platform for the living room.

this wont replace computers, or consoles.

no world of warcraft, no deal

It's basically a HTPC (home theater PC) in a very compact box and the equivalent of a fairly high end gaming PC, mid-tower or high tower. Just the parts are going to be about $1500. That is right now. Will be interesting if Valve shows up with it to CES 2014 or VGX.

Hmm, looks interesting

They must have plans to release games exclusive to this console. I don't have a gaming PC so I guess that would put me in the target for one of these right? I would need more convincing before I brought one.

A very low price point would be nice.

Need to see some pricing

I would buy this if it's upgradeable I might really consider buying one next to my Ps4

I have a PC and PS4 thanks

does anyone find it odd how the machine is a different colour the the controller? doesnt look like they go together.

Looks like both an XBox ONE and PS4 combined..

Around $500 - article says: ( http://www.extremetech.com/... )

People are so quick to BAD MOUTH and Negatively Judge something they DO NOT understand.

We have been over this a THOUSAND times the purpose and market for a Steam machine but I'll explain ONE more time for those who do not understand.

1. SM is the beginning of the END of Microsoft's hand in PC Gaming as SteamOS is Open Source and free along with great performance increases over DirectX. sure you will need Windows for Current Games but technically you will never have to buy another Windows OS again for the soul purpose of Gaming as Windows 7 will last forever.

2. Many Gamers want to play PC exclusives. Many of those gamers are not sure building a PC is the thing they want to do.

SM allows gamers to get into PC Gaming using a plug n play living room friendly machine that is similar to the console territory they are use too. PLUS they can upgrade the GPU later on down the road IF THEY CHOOSE to.

why do SOME of you continue to ignore this?

3 Sm and PC and Consoles can ALL co-exist!

Valve is NOT manufacturing SM like Sony/MS MANUFACTURE their consoles.

Valve has basically made a case and told ALL the other PC Hardware manufactures to make their own configurations and Valve will provide the free gaming OS. Valve isn't gonna lose money on this as Valve is not bank rolling the hardware except maybe the controller.

Different configs will get you different prices to FIT a PC Gamers needs.

PC gaming is all about CUSTOMIZATION and NOT one size fits all. PC Gamers have choices and Valve has retained this very well.

I already have 3 Gaming PC's but i will get Steam OS, Hopefully I get picked to Beta a SM. Heck I may even buy a SM to replace my HTPC.

Hope this helps CLEAR up some confusion set by others.

If you DON"T KNOW then Please do not make up false rumors as there are gamers on N4G who want to learn more about PC gaming but get confused because of all the LIES that non PC gamers spread.

A message to the PC MASTER RACE: The Steam machine is a PC for the livingroom that plays standard PC games, and if you want to stay up to date with the new games. Then you will most likely have to upgrade, when possible, to the next steam machine. Sounds expensive to me.

PS4 games will also improve over time, but with no extra cost of having to upgrade for many years. Another thing: Console games sell alot more than PC games. This means that the game makers will be more likely to put the biggest budgets into exlusives for the console market. Ergo The PC might, for those who can afford the best, have the best graphics, but consoles are more likely to have the best games.

So what is more important to you as a gamer: Graphics or gameplay?

LMAO! Epic fail!

I have no interest in this. The controller looks bad and uncomfortable to me too. I like my console gaming and if I was to play PC then I would just build my own. Plus, I'm not a big fan of Valve.

I BUT THAT FOR A DOLLAR.

Half Life 3 Exclusive = Steambox success

I wonder if theyre going to sell them in Cleaveland. ;)

... d*** thing looks like an XBox!

Question, will i be able to play all my steam games on my PC steam to this? Because, if i can play all my KOTOR stuff with the patches and mods too IM SOLD. DONE and DONE.

PC gamers that hook their PC up to their TVs... how do you navigate Windows, install updates or close error messages with only a controller in your hand?

I go for console for the simplicity and the "it just works" mentality rather than the graphics. If I really cared enough about graphics, I would have built a kick-ass PC years ago, but graphics aren't the reason I play games. Sure, I love a game with awesome graphics, but just like Crysis has taught me... just because a game has amazing graphics, doesn't mean it will be fun. However, some games don't have amazing graphics, yet some of those games are my favorites.

Hope this does very very well and creates some more competition. 5-7years from now we might have 3 new and even stronger launches.

Whats the point of releasing this machine if most of the games you already bought are coded for a x86/x64 architecture?!?!? WTF!! It's like saying "hey here is a new machine... start on a clean slate cause your earlier games wont work on it"

it looks pretty cool

When Steam first came out most people regard it as an answer to a solution nobody needed. Much like how most people think of Steam Machine today. But I think Valve is on to the something here and they're well on their way to creating an entirely new gaming platform.

The most important thing is how they go about doing it. Unlike Sony and MS who just throw their creation out there to sink or swim, Valve is very open about their beta and feedback process. Whatever is the result of this experiment it's going to be a machine that gamers want, not the other way around.

I dunno.. I just want Steam OS on my already self-built PC, it's more cool that way.

Why a Steam box? Windows store, that's why! I'll leave the smarter one's amongst you to fill in the gaps.

I wonder how many publishers will support Steam OS and I wonder if big franchises for Steam OS will be as cheap as their sales sometimes... If you have to pay as much as their console counterpart it would be a far less interesting machine... :3

Wow...looks like the offspring from a fugly clock radio and an XBONE!!

Nice try Valve......unless you bring some exclusive games and a better looking controller...this will be a fail....but I'm still curious about how this will pan out.

interesting, but not have used games and optimization of a console, useless ... I buy a PC

wow..this is a xbox/ps melted together...

Makes me laugh - PC gamers keep saying how the PC is far superior than consoles because you can customize it and upgrade it when you want.. This steam box is a console so you will then become restricted. So what is the difference between ps4, xbox one and a steam box? Nothing apart from each will have a couple of exclusive games.

And as I stated above, if this was sustainable then MS, Sony or Nintendo would of already done it.

Consoles are expensive as hell, and if history holds alot of them don't make a ton of money (based on hardware alone).

Im worried that if this thing turns into a money pit, we may see Steam prices increase to try and counteract losses.