Being released a year early than PS3... Being cheaper lol

But right now the PS3 has sold more than the 360 :-D

What Ezz2013 really meant to say was :

http://is.gd/BY3WIR

and it looks like, the same cr-p is repeating again.

BluRay of Ghost Box 1 version floating the webs... just a matter of time and the box 1 will see a boost in sales again.

"Unlike its predecessors, which aspired in one way or another to be shaped sort of like an X, the Xbox One leans heavily towards box."

-lol

The Wii won last gen and PS3 sales surpassed those of the 360 before the next gen launch.
I don't see anything appealing about the Xbox One.
Anyone could buy an Apple TV to get their Media Apps. Any Smart TV also do the trick.

Wii is last-last generation console. The PS2 beat the Wii.

@Denethor

Yeah...it had a year head start. But Sony had two generations worth of a head start and momentum behind it. That accounts to nothing??

So you really think it was a vase of just chucking money into the pot to ensure success? So I guess it had nothing to do with the Xbox 360 being a decent console with decent features like Xbox live, achievements etc whilst being easy to develop for?

"But Xbox had a year head-start. Your an Xbox fan, I get it, but please don't let it blind you"

Please. I'm one of the few people on here who isn't blinded by any so-called loyalty to a brand.

Xbox fans, redefining the definition of winning since 2008.

I'm just saying it's not as black and white as you lot argue it is. I didn't even say that the 360 was the overall 'winner' so your sweeping statement makes no sense Dragon.

Reading comprehension my friend.

Yeah uncalled for comment Denethor. Septic is pretty neutral and just likes what he likes. He'll praise or badmouth either console depending on the situation.

Yeah Septic, X360 started really strong but finished very very weakly. The lack of support is a bit shameful on MS's part in recent years.

And theres no way they would have got that kind of lead without the extra year, (year and a half in Europe) no one can really argue with that, and that in turn set the tone for MS to hold publishers over a barrel for most of the gen.

But what happened happened, and they sold alot more than their first effort but I still maintain the Original was a better console and that they didnt "win" this gen. Its fact I think in the last half they've turned away alot that loved them, myself included.

I also dont agree with the attitude Sony should have won because they won twice in a row and its a given. With a new gen, everyone starts from zero, and no one is guaranteed previous success will carry over.

In fact history has proved its very hard to do that, PS2 didnt carry into PS3. Wii isnt carrying into WiiU. If anything it proves you CANT do it with only the PSOne to PS2 gen being the exception that proves the rule.

That and the rule of 3 is real, which Sony went through this gen, and MS will have to go through next gen. (I'm still calling PS4/Xbone next gen).

Plus theres no reason MS couldnt have won on their first try. Sony did it. Thats why MS is here in the first place, so saying they did good for a 1st try, or a 2nd try against an established brand is a bit of a cop out.

Playstation is only like 5 or 6 years (1 generation) older than Xbox, its not like were talking a dynasty against a rookie.

@Septic: The phrase "it's not as black and white as you think it is" is normally used by those with a position not reflective of actual fact, or majority opinion, just to justify their own opinion.

The Xbox 360 was a win in terms of building marketshare only. The Xbox Division has bled money since its inception, the 360 was outsold by the PS3 and the Wii, the PS3 has the best first party exclusive games with continued support, so where is the win other than in an increased marketshare which means nothing at the start of a new gen?

Bathyj

Cheers for that :)

On the point of starting fresh every gen, I just don't think you can discount all the goodwill vested into brand. It is enormously important and will account for a big chunk if not the majority of your early sales.

Im definitely not defending the one year head start; that's what gave Microsoft the momentum to build up it's own goodwill (which it then later decided to douse in gasoline and set fire to at the onset of the Xbox one reveal).

Regarding your point about why it couldn't secure a win in the first or second attempt, the Xbox Classic came in very late into the game but managed really well I would argue (thanks to Halo). Yes the second time round it could have secured a win but we know why it failed, for reasons you mentioned, but still, they loosened Sony's grip.

But yeah I agree overall. I expect Sony to return back to form this gen and possibly commanding a majority. I still however cannot confidentially give the win to them regarding this gen gone past. Saying Sony won it simply because it just edged out on sales just doesn't seem right to me.

@Dragon

You just made a load of sweeping statements there. I've already discussed why it isn't as black and white as it seems in the posts above that one so why you're under the impression that, that post operates in a vacuum is beyond me.

Regarding 'best exclusives', surely we can both agree that's a subjective assessment?

Btw sorry if this post is littered with spelling errors or nonsensical words. I'm typing this on the phone and it loves to troll me.

@Septic: I can agree that what people consider good games is subjective, but numbers don't lie and the PS3 has more highly rated first party exclusives than the Xbox 360.

And I didn't make sweeping statements. Unless you're going to show me some kind of information that shows the Xbox Division HASN'T been bleeding money since its inception, or that the Wii and PS3 HAVEN'T outsold the 360.

You're making concessions to create a "win" for the Xbox 360, but when the competition has "better" games, more of them, and has outsold the 360, placing that console firmly in third place in every category (online is definitely arguable in favour of the 360, I'll give you that) where is the win?

If you wanna discuss the grand scheme of gaming business, then Nintendo is the only actual winner, but Xbox Division has never been out of the red and I'd simply be repeating myself talking about games and other factors.

But hey, feel free to make those concessions if you have to. The era of the 360 is over as soon as the Xbox One comes out anyway, so it's pretty moot.

"Sony had two generations worth of a head start and momentum behind it. That accounts to nothing??"

Just the one generation head start.

You said by getting to where it is now that's a win. I disagreed because you make Microsoft sound like a small company with something to prove, and thus take merit by achieving second place. It's not. It wasn't to long ago it was the richest company in the world. I would, with their funds available, expect nothing less.

The 360 didn't win in increasing market, Nintendo did. Went from GC(lowest albeit not much lower than XBOX) to Wii (highest). Also Sony was never first, Sega/Microsoft was always before them. If you consider Wii U it wasn't first this gen either.

@DragonKnight- What happened in 2008? Wasn't the Xbox360 beating PS3 from 2006-2012?

Septic is one of the most unbiased posters on N4G, and the radical Sony fanboys have the audacity to act like he is the fanboy?! lol

@Buds: Nope. Since 2006, the PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 globally every year. An 8 million console lead and the fact that the 360 didn't stop selling consoles merely extended the length of time it took for the PS3 to overtake the 360.

Septic the problem I have with your argument is that you think they should be given credit for their effort.. but they didn't put their effort in the right areas. They made little to no effort to build up first parties or simply keep a steady stream of games.

So no I will not give them credit for effort when their efforts are not put into the right areas for a gaming console and they are making this same mistake yet again with the Xbox One, once again putting their efforts in the wrong places for a gaming machine.

Starchild....<3

@Sono

I agree with what you say there. To me, the Xbox did so many things right. When the first Xbox came out I actually ridiculed it until I saw Halo. Then the strides made with Xbox Live just made it my main console of choice because I had a strong PC background (as well as a PlayStation background too). I got into online gaming in a BIG way.

Thing is, Microsoft made those strides in the online arena and that to me was the perfect area to concentrate on. Yes, later on with Kinect, the focus got lost and now we got this all in one, jack of all trades wannabe X1 console, but Microsoft definitely started off really strong and I think did a lot to help develop the industry. Them pushing off Sony from the throne was much needed and the competition has brought with it PS Plus and social functionality that Sony would never otherwise been pressurised to bring.

For me, that's a win.

Now the tables have turned. Sony is set to dominate but I don't think we should write off Microsoft just yet, lest we repeat the mistakes of the previous gen.

Microsoft console sales are so artificially high because they gave a lot of them away with purchase of PC'S and laptops, also they gave them away on every talk show on the planet. People replacing there console because of high failure rate, in some case many times, also artificially expanded the number of consoles sold.

Sony is over a Million ahead after releasing a year later in the U.S. and a year and a half later in Europe.